We are in almost uncharted waters. People are hitting the regs and Constitution to try to make heads or tails of what the options are. Nonetheless, an interesting thread and perspective.
Exactly. People are acting like fucking paranoid herd animals wrt what is legitimate, possible, etc, based on group approval.
If Trump tweeted it, we'd all suddenly be behind it.
If Pence did it, we'd all be cheering.
It's described as a constitutional theory, opinion.
Lincoln did a LOT of shit that was theoretically border line or unconstitutional.
The Lord of the Flies tribe behavior here is springing from our own paranoia and cognitive dissonance about how dangerously close this is getting to being over.
Shit, we are one returned from veto budget bill away from the Insurection Act being nullified for application against the swamp.
Yeah I think the shill forces have been amped up in the last day or two. There was a thread yesterday with the most "doomer" shit I've ever seen on here (most of the time I think the doomer meme is overblown):
Look how many posts in that thread are saying things like "well fucking do something about it then Trump." Even responded to some idiot there saying that all Trump was going to do on January 6th was announce "Trump TV." I think it's not just the posts themselves but mainly the upvotes which might be being manipulated.
Troll farms are very real. Many times they're outsourced from India, Nigeria and eastern Europe to influence social media sites. Most of the time they're used for marketing but in our case they're being weaponized to demoralize and distort information.
Just think if new account creation here was suspended, and only invites could bring in new users. I bet that would really slow down the trolling without hurting the real users.
It’s hard to tell what’s real with all the disinformation out there. I read a lot of them and some say opposite things. That said, you have a valid point.
Not everyone is a Constitutional lawyer. I agree with you guys that there's a lot of bad info flying around (not just here, but in lefty-ridden places, too). But it's kind of unavoidable. Most people, regardless of political leanings, don't understand what they're reading and don't even know where to look.
I thought the constitution said the 4th wednesday of the month of December?
EDIT: according to this twitter user:
If Pence does notify the states today (he won’t), he is also throwing out the republican electoral votes that were so painstakingly cast and that our state republicans are trying so very hard to get certified by state legislatures.
By December 23, Pence must receive the ballots from the Electoral College vote in each of the states.
On January 6 the House and Senate will meet in a joint session to tabulate the electoral votes. Pence will serve as the presiding officer and announce the results of each state in alphabetical order pursuant to procedures set forth under federal law. AFTER EACH STATE'S RESULTS ARE ANNOUNCED, MEMBERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER OBJECTIONS TO THOSE RESULTS. Objections must be made in writing and require the support of at least one member of the House of Representatives and one member from the Senate.
Microsoft Network
Looks like he just receives them today but the big day is in January. (emphasis mine).
Pretty sure we have doubled our userbase since the election.
That would mean half the people here know absolutely nothing that has been revealed from the last four years unless they happened to learn it in the last three weeks or from Tucker Carlson.
omg you're right. We have no enemies and nobody wants our movement fractured or demoralized. I'll just turn CNN back on and listen to the latest unity speech from our Dear President Elect.
Between this and the vaccine our benevolent overlords might let me watch the latest pansexual BIPOC Marvel superheroine punch Nazis on the big screen! I'll be sure to keep my mask on for all 3 hours of course.
So what happens if no alternative electors are "certified"?
I'm having a hard time divining what the actual plan is. Trump and Co. are acting like it's all under control and they aren't going anywhere, but what's the play? I don't care what it is, I just want to know so I can plan and educate myself around it.
All that tells me is that the plan relies on surprise. Which only means one thing --
Jan 6th Pence refuse to count electors from fraud states and Insurrection act it is exercised concurrent with Emergency Broadcast System dumping the depth in overview of who did what and why Governors, CEOs, and Media heads are being dragged out of their homes and offices in zip ties by marines.
I just wanted to know so I can prepare. I thought there was some other process, procedural or judicial, in the forefront I was missing.
If Pence tosses out the electors from those states, we lose the Republican votes that we worked so hard for.
Think about it. It could end up helping them. Pence rejects their electors and then they all just send their Democrat votes again. Republicans would have to scramble and try to get theirs sent too.
I sincerely hope that pence just laughs at them and throws the fake electoral college votes in the trash. They can then decide via contingent election.
If biden wins, we know we have to clean house even more vigorously if we want a chance to maintain libery.
Problem is, in over 200 years this hasn't happened before. Good times make weak men.
Joe Biden to Dismantle Trump’s Legal Wall, Inviting Central Americans to Southern Border
President-Elect Joe Biden is planning to dismantle the legal wall at the United States-Mexico border that President Trump has constructed that ensures a reduction of illegal immigration through asylum agreements with Mexico and Central America.
Patrick Byrne state that Trump decided against this option, because Trump wants to present evidence and have Congress decide, so he has the full faith of the American people.
thanks for the thread. I was posting the NationFile article as it cited a WH memo. I am no law fag, so I don't have an educated opinion one way or another.
Glad I finally got my answer on this, I asked on another thread questioning if this has to be done today and haven't heard an answer yet. Thanks for the update!
Really? Is that what it is? "Disinformation designed to demoralize" us? Wow... And you know this, how? You are an idiot. And so is anyone who believes your lunacy. Whether "letters sent" is factually correct or not (see Gateway Pundit, others), you're an hysterical clown (with your "stickie this"). If this could "demoralize" you, take your meds, hot cocoa and a nap.
"DESIGNED ( << the grand scheme) to Demoralize You" ... hahaha
I see a lot of handshakes pushing this shit.
Funny, it seems this deadline just popped up in the last 24 hours.
I questioned this 23rd thing from the start. It's bullshit
Ivan Raiklin, a Constitutional lawyer started this "Pence Card" thing --
https://twitter.com/raiklin
.
The difference will be that THE PEOPLE will be there on the 6th .... No closed door courts throwing US out!!!
Mike Adams on Natural News has been going over the "Pence Card" path to victory for days. Here's a White House memo on it: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep4JaWMXYAcPM4P?format=jpg&name=large
isnt that dude from a different country lol
We are in almost uncharted waters. People are hitting the regs and Constitution to try to make heads or tails of what the options are. Nonetheless, an interesting thread and perspective.
Exactly. People are acting like fucking paranoid herd animals wrt what is legitimate, possible, etc, based on group approval.
If Trump tweeted it, we'd all suddenly be behind it. If Pence did it, we'd all be cheering.
It's described as a constitutional theory, opinion.
Lincoln did a LOT of shit that was theoretically border line or unconstitutional.
The Lord of the Flies tribe behavior here is springing from our own paranoia and cognitive dissonance about how dangerously close this is getting to being over.
Shit, we are one returned from veto budget bill away from the Insurection Act being nullified for application against the swamp.
Yep, shills are out in force today to bring the mood back down after the high energy or last night.
Yeah I think the shill forces have been amped up in the last day or two. There was a thread yesterday with the most "doomer" shit I've ever seen on here (most of the time I think the doomer meme is overblown):
https://thedonald.win/p/11RNfKor2G/donald-j-trump-the-democrats-dum/c/
Look how many posts in that thread are saying things like "well fucking do something about it then Trump." Even responded to some idiot there saying that all Trump was going to do on January 6th was announce "Trump TV." I think it's not just the posts themselves but mainly the upvotes which might be being manipulated.
Troll farms are very real. Many times they're outsourced from India, Nigeria and eastern Europe to influence social media sites. Most of the time they're used for marketing but in our case they're being weaponized to demoralize and distort information.
Just think if new account creation here was suspended, and only invites could bring in new users. I bet that would really slow down the trolling without hurting the real users.
If only there were a group of people whose job was to get rid of fake posts and deport the accounts that make them... if only.
Mods slept on the election brief last night also Cornpop's latest racist trope
https://thedonald.win/p/11RNjwxtCC/biden-zoom-leaksays-the-country-/c/
The zoom leak was stickied this morning
What, like some kind of Fact Checkers?
Yes, Janissaries!
Yup, mods can definitely do a better job on placing restrictions on handshake accounts. Basic stuff but they don't for some reason.
It is not a deadline, it is the first possible date he can do it. And its actually the 24th not the 23rd
Yeah this deadline suddenly popped up yesterday out of nowhere.
It’s hard to tell what’s real with all the disinformation out there. I read a lot of them and some say opposite things. That said, you have a valid point.
Safest bet is to assume every single damn thing you hear is straight fabricated bull shit.
If you can find multiple non-antique media sources claiming them same, them odds are only 50-50 that it's complete BS.
Not everyone is a Constitutional lawyer. I agree with you guys that there's a lot of bad info flying around (not just here, but in lefty-ridden places, too). But it's kind of unavoidable. Most people, regardless of political leanings, don't understand what they're reading and don't even know where to look.
Disinformation sharpens the discerning eye.
I thought the constitution said the 4th wednesday of the month of December?
EDIT: according to this twitter user: If Pence does notify the states today (he won’t), he is also throwing out the republican electoral votes that were so painstakingly cast and that our state republicans are trying so very hard to get certified by state legislatures.
Rules are rules - they show up with votes from a contested state, they get ignored.
That seems an odd choice - trading a sure path to victory for a dubious one.
Do we need them?
We don't even know if it's real
By December 23, Pence must receive the ballots from the Electoral College vote in each of the states.
On January 6 the House and Senate will meet in a joint session to tabulate the electoral votes. Pence will serve as the presiding officer and announce the results of each state in alphabetical order pursuant to procedures set forth under federal law. AFTER EACH STATE'S RESULTS ARE ANNOUNCED, MEMBERS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER OBJECTIONS TO THOSE RESULTS. Objections must be made in writing and require the support of at least one member of the House of Representatives and one member from the Senate.
Microsoft Network
Looks like he just receives them today but the big day is in January. (emphasis mine).
Receiving the votes today has nothing to do with the PenceCard shit people are spewing.
Pretty sure we have doubled our userbase since the election.
That would mean half the people here know absolutely nothing that has been revealed from the last four years unless they happened to learn it in the last three weeks or from Tucker Carlson.
Yea that happens here too, it’s a learning process lol
This. I see this constantly here.
People need to stop hyping and dooming when their guess doesn’t play out. We don’t know shit.
Confused is a good reason to
INVOKE the INSURRECTION ACT
kek
you sound like a shill
probably are....
deport
thx for posting. been wondering about this all day.
We don't even know if it's real
Agree, needs to be a sticky
We don't even know if it's real
They want you to doom and to distrust Pence.
omg you're right. We have no enemies and nobody wants our movement fractured or demoralized. I'll just turn CNN back on and listen to the latest unity speech from our Dear President Elect.
Between this and the vaccine our benevolent overlords might let me watch the latest pansexual BIPOC Marvel superheroine punch Nazis on the big screen! I'll be sure to keep my mask on for all 3 hours of course.
So what happens if no alternative electors are "certified"?
I'm having a hard time divining what the actual plan is. Trump and Co. are acting like it's all under control and they aren't going anywhere, but what's the play? I don't care what it is, I just want to know so I can plan and educate myself around it.
There's a reason we're here, and they're there. They have significantly more information than we do. If we had it all, so would the opposition.
All that tells me is that the plan relies on surprise. Which only means one thing --
Jan 6th Pence refuse to count electors from fraud states and Insurrection act it is exercised concurrent with Emergency Broadcast System dumping the depth in overview of who did what and why Governors, CEOs, and Media heads are being dragged out of their homes and offices in zip ties by marines.
I just wanted to know so I can prepare. I thought there was some other process, procedural or judicial, in the forefront I was missing.
If the ECA of 1887 doesn't stand, then neither does Jan 6th?
One is enshrined in the Constitution, one is not.
Jan 20 is in the Constitution. Jan 6 is from the ECA.
Well, regardless, until the Fed is fucking put to grave the Deepstate will always remain 'at large'!
Thank you
So his argument is literally
This is Jenna Ellis tier shit. Fuck it.
His argument is :
Think about it. It could end up helping them. Pence rejects their electors and then they all just send their Democrat votes again. Republicans would have to scramble and try to get theirs sent too.
Good catch. Just wait until the 6th - the deadline day.
It's really sad. I just want all this misinformation to end. Trump needs to take over the media until this shit is sorted out.
And social media
This is confusing tbh
I sincerely hope that pence just laughs at them and throws the fake electoral college votes in the trash. They can then decide via contingent election.
If biden wins, we know we have to clean house even more vigorously if we want a chance to maintain libery.
Problem is, in over 200 years this hasn't happened before. Good times make weak men.
Uhhh reputable lawyer Ivan Raiklin who said this, I’ll believe him given he’s yet to be challenged by other constitutional lawyers on it.
I’ll believe him before I believe some random dipshit random account naysayer who doesn’t understand the process
I agree with her!! That’s why we have dueling electorals
Bkmk game plan
excellent comment
this is how i see it playing out as well
except when the libtards riot/loot this time, military or NG puts a quick stop to it or pedes come out and crack skulls.
Yeah, I don't remember Pence having a due date for accepting EVs.
Interesting that GEOTUS retweeted Ivan calling for this
TOP
This cannot be overstated. Don't trust anyone! Vet everything. This causes roller-coaster of emotions.
DO SOMETHING
Joe Biden to Dismantle Trump’s Legal Wall, Inviting Central Americans to Southern Border
President-Elect Joe Biden is planning to dismantle the legal wall at the United States-Mexico border that President Trump has constructed that ensures a reduction of illegal immigration through asylum agreements with Mexico and Central America.
Source: Breitbart
I said the same thing here:
https://thedonald.win/p/11RNk0Nthe/the-pence-thing-is-glowie-psyop-/
What is this letter? This is the first I never heard of such an idea.
Patrick Byrne state that Trump decided against this option, because Trump wants to present evidence and have Congress decide, so he has the full faith of the American people.
thanks for the thread. I was posting the NationFile article as it cited a WH memo. I am no law fag, so I don't have an educated opinion one way or another.
Here is the "unroll" thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1341738651462627334.html
Correct, this is all going down Jan 6th. It will be wild.
All he has to do is confirm he received certification answers back from the states. Doomers are AIDs.
Funny, knocked off by twits.
https://twitter.com/Raiklin/status/1341520753984942081
Trump retweet...........
Yes.
Believe this: https://nationalfile.com/exclusive-white-house-memo-details-how-pence-card-can-save-trumps-presidency-on-dec-23/
plus Gateway Pundit and others...
Or believe this: A thread I found today.
(or believe neither)
Well, GP is the Enquirer, so...
I thought Breitbart was.
No wonder Twitter is still trending #PenceCard!
His lawsuit was filed today. It’s done.
He is the defendant in that suit.
What does that mean? I must have misinterpreted. Is the suit meant to force him to choose the Biden electors?
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/12/DC-WVA-20201222-complaint.pdf
TL;DR?
Do handshake posters need to complete captcha?
Glad I finally got my answer on this, I asked on another thread questioning if this has to be done today and haven't heard an answer yet. Thanks for the update!
We don't even know if it's real
Really? Is that what it is? "Disinformation designed to demoralize" us? Wow... And you know this, how? You are an idiot. And so is anyone who believes your lunacy. Whether "letters sent" is factually correct or not (see Gateway Pundit, others), you're an hysterical clown (with your "stickie this"). If this could "demoralize" you, take your meds, hot cocoa and a nap.
"DESIGNED ( << the grand scheme) to Demoralize You" ... hahaha
I know, you meant well.
You're stupid. :)