They demonized gang culture, but gang culture is just militia culture but in inner cities the lack of jobs makes people turn to drug money which leads to infighting.
Shit governments are just gangs with a veneer of legitimacy.
They made running a business illegal (unless you are a major donor). When the militias attempt to protect the people who keep their businesses open to provide for themselves, the illusion they are anything different will disappear.
Gangs aren’t bad. Commies know that any group of armed men willing to fight for their communities are a threat, so they demonized them through their proxies.
Are some gang members pieces of shit? Absolutely, but conflating all of them with the worst members is like calling all soldiers baby killers because of the Mai Lai massacre. Its a smear tactic to make them lose public support.
Look at Mexico, the cartels beat the military and government EASILY. Thats why the mainstream media doesn’t cover it, they don’t want us seeing exactly how strong we really are.
No, they're not one and the same. Not by a long shot. The only similarity is that they're organized into groups and have weapons. However, the similarities end there. Their missions are different.
jomten: They made running a business illegal (unless you are a major donor).
Closing a business that sells things that the community needs, that is seen as acceptable to the majority of the United States, because operating it is "deemed illegal" is not the same thing as defending a business that's not legal and that is not accepted by the community.
jomten: When the militias attempt to protect the people who keep their businesses open to provide for themselves, the illusion they are anything different will disappear.
When militias defend a business owner for opening his/her shop, they're doing it from a natural rights, and historic, perspective. The business owner is providing a service to the community. The owners are pursuing their American dream, one that's consistent with what the founding fathers envisioned. When a militia group comes to defend this business when it opens up during a lockdown, that's not the same thing as defending an area of operation involving what would be illegal even outside of pandemic countermeasures.
jomten: Gangs aren't bad.
Most militias aren't bad either. Unlike gangs, they don't get involved with sending rounds against other militia on a regular basis.
jomten: Commies know that any group of armed men willing to fight for their communities are a threat, so they demonized them through their proxies.
Gangs don't do much with regards to their image, they don't need the media's help in demonizing them. When they engage in altercations, and even shootouts, disturbing the peace in the process, the community, and the rest of the country, is going to see them in un-flatering terms.
jomten: Are some gang members pieces of shit? Absolutely, but conflating all of them with the worst members is like calling all soldiers baby killers because of the Mai Lai massacre. Its a smear tactic to make them lose public support.
One main difference is that the US Military is not constantly, or on a regular basis, committing war crimes and atrocities. And, when they do, the military's justice system holds them accountable for their actions. I'm a retired Soldier, I don't see a comparison between gangs and the US Military.
The same thing with militias. There are bad apples among the militia, but they don't represent the majority of militia groups. The larpers and the "gung ho" types are not the majority either. The majority of the militia are regular citizens who go about their normal lives like the rest of us do.
Not to long ago, I read an article where two rival gangs sent their leadership to a meeting to have "peace talks". So we have good movement in that direction.
jomten: Look at Mexico, the cartels beat the military and government EASILY. Thats why the mainstream media doesn't cover it, they don't want us seeing exactly how strong we really are.
We're talking about the Mexican military. Send the US military into their area and we'd pulverize the Mexican cartels. President Trump even offered to deploy the US military into Mexico to take on their gangs.
I've seen examples of how gangs, militia, and foreign military fight. Not the way one would want to engage in combat against a professional military like what the US has... Unless suicide is the fighter's objective.
First thing, thanks for taking the time to respond, I appreciate patriots debating controversial ideas.
Got some counterpoints-
A Gang and a Militia are alot closer than just weapons and distrust of government. Theres a patriotism in gangs to their neighborhoods, their territory if you will. Their missions are different because their environments are different.
A city controlled by democrats for decades is very different to rural America. Whereas a modern militiaman usually has a stable job and family structure, an “inner city” gang member typically has little in the way of job opportunity and a practically nonexistent family support network.
The militia members train to defend against government tyranny, and some have ex/current law enforcement & military in their ranks to give them more legitimacy.
Gangs practice concealing their activities from the government. Gun control is rampant there, unconstitutional as it is. If Biden/Clinton/whoever instituted gun control and the SC continues to refuse to rule on it, all modern militias become “illegal” unless they just train with squirtguns.
Selling drugs as well is a big part of gang culture. We can debate the morality/legality of selling drugs, but the reason it becomes the business of choice for gangs is because its illegal which lowers competition, increases the profit margin, and it takes no initial investment to get started other than product, a scale, and sandwich bags.
No one is knocking the doors down of the convenience store owner selling tobacco/liqour and arresting him.
Those business owners arent engaged in violence because they can call the police to settle disputes. Gang members also don’t have stable leadership to keep their “soldiers” in check leading to alot more “senseless” violence.
Leave a platoon of young soldiers with a rotating leadership. Whenever the leader becomes too effective he gets replaced, and that platoon will be a much higher risk for “war crimes”.
Gangs also include organized crime like the mafia. The mafia has been impossible to truly stamp out, because the community actually LIKES having the mafia around.
If you want to gamble, get drugs,(including liqour during prohibition), get prostitutes, get a loan, or dodge taxes, the mafia filled that role.
If push comes to shove and patriots end up in open combat with the CCP and their puppets, we will be branded as violent gangs at best, terrorist cells at worst.
And at least some of mexican cartels are literally just mexican special forces that defected. (The Zetas, some Sinaloa cells). The American version of that would be even stronger than the mexican version.
They demonized gang culture, but gang culture is just militia culture but in inner cities the lack of jobs makes people turn to drug money which leads to infighting.
Shit governments are just gangs with a veneer of legitimacy.
"They demonized gang culture"
They're also demonizing militias and militia culture.
They are one and the same.
They made running a business illegal (unless you are a major donor). When the militias attempt to protect the people who keep their businesses open to provide for themselves, the illusion they are anything different will disappear.
Gangs aren’t bad. Commies know that any group of armed men willing to fight for their communities are a threat, so they demonized them through their proxies.
Are some gang members pieces of shit? Absolutely, but conflating all of them with the worst members is like calling all soldiers baby killers because of the Mai Lai massacre. Its a smear tactic to make them lose public support.
Look at Mexico, the cartels beat the military and government EASILY. Thats why the mainstream media doesn’t cover it, they don’t want us seeing exactly how strong we really are.
jomten: They are one and the same.
No, they're not one and the same. Not by a long shot. The only similarity is that they're organized into groups and have weapons. However, the similarities end there. Their missions are different.
jomten: They made running a business illegal (unless you are a major donor).
Closing a business that sells things that the community needs, that is seen as acceptable to the majority of the United States, because operating it is "deemed illegal" is not the same thing as defending a business that's not legal and that is not accepted by the community.
jomten: When the militias attempt to protect the people who keep their businesses open to provide for themselves, the illusion they are anything different will disappear.
When militias defend a business owner for opening his/her shop, they're doing it from a natural rights, and historic, perspective. The business owner is providing a service to the community. The owners are pursuing their American dream, one that's consistent with what the founding fathers envisioned. When a militia group comes to defend this business when it opens up during a lockdown, that's not the same thing as defending an area of operation involving what would be illegal even outside of pandemic countermeasures.
jomten: Gangs aren't bad.
Most militias aren't bad either. Unlike gangs, they don't get involved with sending rounds against other militia on a regular basis.
jomten: Commies know that any group of armed men willing to fight for their communities are a threat, so they demonized them through their proxies.
Gangs don't do much with regards to their image, they don't need the media's help in demonizing them. When they engage in altercations, and even shootouts, disturbing the peace in the process, the community, and the rest of the country, is going to see them in un-flatering terms.
jomten: Are some gang members pieces of shit? Absolutely, but conflating all of them with the worst members is like calling all soldiers baby killers because of the Mai Lai massacre. Its a smear tactic to make them lose public support.
One main difference is that the US Military is not constantly, or on a regular basis, committing war crimes and atrocities. And, when they do, the military's justice system holds them accountable for their actions. I'm a retired Soldier, I don't see a comparison between gangs and the US Military.
The same thing with militias. There are bad apples among the militia, but they don't represent the majority of militia groups. The larpers and the "gung ho" types are not the majority either. The majority of the militia are regular citizens who go about their normal lives like the rest of us do.
Not to long ago, I read an article where two rival gangs sent their leadership to a meeting to have "peace talks". So we have good movement in that direction.
jomten: Look at Mexico, the cartels beat the military and government EASILY. Thats why the mainstream media doesn't cover it, they don't want us seeing exactly how strong we really are.
We're talking about the Mexican military. Send the US military into their area and we'd pulverize the Mexican cartels. President Trump even offered to deploy the US military into Mexico to take on their gangs.
I've seen examples of how gangs, militia, and foreign military fight. Not the way one would want to engage in combat against a professional military like what the US has... Unless suicide is the fighter's objective.
First thing, thanks for taking the time to respond, I appreciate patriots debating controversial ideas.
Got some counterpoints-
A Gang and a Militia are alot closer than just weapons and distrust of government. Theres a patriotism in gangs to their neighborhoods, their territory if you will. Their missions are different because their environments are different.
A city controlled by democrats for decades is very different to rural America. Whereas a modern militiaman usually has a stable job and family structure, an “inner city” gang member typically has little in the way of job opportunity and a practically nonexistent family support network.
The militia members train to defend against government tyranny, and some have ex/current law enforcement & military in their ranks to give them more legitimacy.
Gangs practice concealing their activities from the government. Gun control is rampant there, unconstitutional as it is. If Biden/Clinton/whoever instituted gun control and the SC continues to refuse to rule on it, all modern militias become “illegal” unless they just train with squirtguns.
Selling drugs as well is a big part of gang culture. We can debate the morality/legality of selling drugs, but the reason it becomes the business of choice for gangs is because its illegal which lowers competition, increases the profit margin, and it takes no initial investment to get started other than product, a scale, and sandwich bags.
No one is knocking the doors down of the convenience store owner selling tobacco/liqour and arresting him.
Those business owners arent engaged in violence because they can call the police to settle disputes. Gang members also don’t have stable leadership to keep their “soldiers” in check leading to alot more “senseless” violence.
Leave a platoon of young soldiers with a rotating leadership. Whenever the leader becomes too effective he gets replaced, and that platoon will be a much higher risk for “war crimes”.
Gangs also include organized crime like the mafia. The mafia has been impossible to truly stamp out, because the community actually LIKES having the mafia around.
If you want to gamble, get drugs,(including liqour during prohibition), get prostitutes, get a loan, or dodge taxes, the mafia filled that role.
If push comes to shove and patriots end up in open combat with the CCP and their puppets, we will be branded as violent gangs at best, terrorist cells at worst.
And at least some of mexican cartels are literally just mexican special forces that defected. (The Zetas, some Sinaloa cells). The American version of that would be even stronger than the mexican version.