Hopefully it is one case Pence would love to lose ? looks like a mess of voters rights are filing suit against Pence and the rest of the Government for letting all these states violate the equal protection act?
Do you think he knew about it beforehand? I know none of us can answer that question, just want to know what you think. However if he loses this case then his challenging the electors would not seem partisan and would make a nice "out" (that is the reason for my question to you).
Interesting thought. I don't understand his being a defendant in this in the first place, Kemp and the rest make sense. Someone more enlightened than me would have to answer that Q. I am just a humble friar
Attorneys, when they sue, throw everyone possibly involved in the mix. My mom got in this situation when a bar sued everyone on city council. Pence probably is not the main target, but IMHO gives him a legitimate reason for allowing objections to the slate of electors.
It would be a bit ridiculous that a legal team working on behalf of Trump did not tell his team this was coming to allow Pence to look impartial and nonpartisan.
By my non-lawyer assessment, yes. In obama days, EPA did it all the time, IIRC: get sued by a friendly environmental group, decline to defend a suit, and enter a consent decree to do things that it otherwise can not do.
First off, username checks out. Second, We The People have limited reliable information, so we talk about it with eachother to figure out what is going on. Nobody really knows including you and me.
The suit is basically suing the electoral college and Mike Pence to stop them from counting the electoral votes and to issue a judgement against key states for not following legal certification procedure.
Pence is defendant. I'm not a law guy, but the Amistad Project is trying hard for Trump. This doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm sure its a good thing.
As I asked before could this be a way to deny electors from contested states without making it seem blatantly partisan? It is not like the Amistad Project is an unknown group.
Pence is a defendant. If the judge is corrupted he may be too blinded by ideology to see the game. Smart people can do stupid things when indoctrinated by a (leftist) cult. Let's hope they get such a judge.
As I said above, I am not a lawyer, but I seem to recall precedent from obama era.
Environmental groups: EPA, do this!
EPA: Can't. No authority. Sue us. wink wink
Environmental Groups: Understood, suing.
EPA: You know what, we won't defend. You win. Sad. wink
This is a good thing. One pede mentioned the "friendly lawsuit" theory, and I agree. Otherwise, why would Ligon and Mursau be plaintiffs? Ligon is pushing hard to overturn the Georgia votes. This may be an indirect route to the PenceCard.
Yes Pence is a defendant but that's not a bad thing. Basically the actual plaintiffs say if Pence were to count the electoral votes from the executive branch of AZ, PA, MI, GA, and MI he would be in trouble because they not only came from the wrong branch of Government but also violated just plain crap ton of rules, you can read the whole document its 116 pages long. I read it its a crap ton of in my opinion valid complaints.
I don't think it is. The Amistad Project would not do so much work for Trump and then piss it all away. Someone in the administration had to have known this was coming, maybe welcoming it.
Amistad project is VERY SMART. They are suing the VP and all the states and if they win it provides perfect cover for Pence to ignore the electors from the states affected without having to be on his own island, which we all know anyone but Trump is no guarantee.
VP is defendant. Based Amistad Project sued yesterday fighting for elector powers being trampled by Dem governors and traitor RINOS:
Lawsuit calls for allowing 5 states' legislatures to certify electors before congressional count
Pence is DEFENDANT
VP PENCE IS A DEFENDANT IN THIS SUIT - not a Plaintiff
FYI our Based Electoral Volt Merchant is a defendant.
“Electoral Volt”, I see what you did there
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1608456383334.webm
There's more where that came from
Ummm.....
Plaintiffs, v. VICE PRESIDENT MICHAEL RICHARD PENCE bla bla bla
Defendants.
Interesting twist. Assuming not LARP, Pence is the defendant here. Anyone got popcorn?
YOU ALL NEED TO READ AND INTERPRET THIS CORRECTLY
I don't have time right now. Pence is defendant in his role as VP, case is brought by Thomas More society. I skimmed the first few pages.
LOOKS POSITIVE TO ME
PENCE et al. ARE BEING SUED BY THE GOOD GUYS TO DO THE RIGHT THING
UMMM holy shit???
Hopefully it is one case Pence would love to lose ? looks like a mess of voters rights are filing suit against Pence and the rest of the Government for letting all these states violate the equal protection act?
Do you think he knew about it beforehand? I know none of us can answer that question, just want to know what you think. However if he loses this case then his challenging the electors would not seem partisan and would make a nice "out" (that is the reason for my question to you).
Interesting thought. I don't understand his being a defendant in this in the first place, Kemp and the rest make sense. Someone more enlightened than me would have to answer that Q. I am just a humble friar
Attorneys, when they sue, throw everyone possibly involved in the mix. My mom got in this situation when a bar sued everyone on city council. Pence probably is not the main target, but IMHO gives him a legitimate reason for allowing objections to the slate of electors.
I would be shocked, if he did not know this was coming.
It would be a bit ridiculous that a legal team working on behalf of Trump did not tell his team this was coming to allow Pence to look impartial and nonpartisan.
That's what I suspect. OK, hope for.
that is what it reads like i skimmed it a little
that's what it sounds like to me too but I only skimmed. Lets just hope they have standing...
We are watching you Mike Pence! For God and country!
We The People
Pence is a defendant
Pence in his capacity as Vice President is a defendant. That is a GOOD thing, law pedes????
By my non-lawyer assessment, yes. In obama days, EPA did it all the time, IIRC: get sued by a friendly environmental group, decline to defend a suit, and enter a consent decree to do things that it otherwise can not do.
why is everything construed in some kind of light that it isn’t?
First off, username checks out. Second, We The People have limited reliable information, so we talk about it with eachother to figure out what is going on. Nobody really knows including you and me.
The suit is basically suing the electoral college and Mike Pence to stop them from counting the electoral votes and to issue a judgement against key states for not following legal certification procedure.
I traveled to the future to see how this all turns out, but I was blackout drunk and now I can't remember.
Pence is defendant. I'm not a law guy, but the Amistad Project is trying hard for Trump. This doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm sure its a good thing.
Sue to force pence to do something in his power and sets a precedent.
Probably is.
YOU ALL NEED TO READ AND INTERPRET THIS
I don't have time right now. Pence is defendant in his role as VP, case is brought by Thomas More society. I skimmed the first few pages.
LOOKS POSITIVE TO ME - Pence being sued to do the right thing.
As I asked before could this be a way to deny electors from contested states without making it seem blatantly partisan? It is not like the Amistad Project is an unknown group.
My question is will this case even go anywhere. I can see a judge saying they dont have standing and throwing it out at this point.
Pence is a defendant. If the judge is corrupted he may be too blinded by ideology to see the game. Smart people can do stupid things when indoctrinated by a (leftist) cult. Let's hope they get such a judge.
Yeah, its just its hard to be excited for this. So where does this case start? Does it go straight scotus?
I believe it is.
Um pence is the one being sued...This is interesting. Could a lawyer peep explain this to us please!
As I said above, I am not a lawyer, but I seem to recall precedent from obama era.
Environmental groups: EPA, do this! EPA: Can't. No authority. Sue us. wink wink Environmental Groups: Understood, suing. EPA: You know what, we won't defend. You win. Sad. wink
A most concise explanation. Thank you.
He naturally would be a defendant, given his official role in the EC process.
"Oh, gee. Being sued! Guess I better throw out those contested states on the 6th!"
This is a good thing. One pede mentioned the "friendly lawsuit" theory, and I agree. Otherwise, why would Ligon and Mursau be plaintiffs? Ligon is pushing hard to overturn the Georgia votes. This may be an indirect route to the PenceCard.
Yes Pence is a defendant but that's not a bad thing. Basically the actual plaintiffs say if Pence were to count the electoral votes from the executive branch of AZ, PA, MI, GA, and MI he would be in trouble because they not only came from the wrong branch of Government but also violated just plain crap ton of rules, you can read the whole document its 116 pages long. I read it its a crap ton of in my opinion valid complaints.
Change the headline
Unfortunately the poster cannot edit once it goes through. Would be a great feature.
OK, thanks
Standing... maybe he has it?
I didn't read it, but it looks baseless. No evidence.
Spelling looks good, though.
Evidence of what? It's arguing mostly constitutional issues. It's actually not too dissimilar to the Texas case in what it's arguing.
Looked at it with my liberal goggles on.
HIGH ENERGY!!
What does this mean?
It means PENCE is being sued. NOT that PENCE is initiating the suit.
Just our side being stupid and not knowing who is who when it comes to defendant and plaintiff.
No he didnt
WE NEED LAWYER TO DECIPHER RUNE! HALP!
Cacophony Intensifies
Just another embarrassing gaffe by our side.
This kind of unforced error is pathetic.
It is not an error.
I don't think it is. The Amistad Project would not do so much work for Trump and then piss it all away. Someone in the administration had to have known this was coming, maybe welcoming it.
Yep, that's what I suspect.
Amistad project is VERY SMART. They are suing the VP and all the states and if they win it provides perfect cover for Pence to ignore the electors from the states affected without having to be on his own island, which we all know anyone but Trump is no guarantee.
Gotta be. Makes no sense otherwise.
Re-read the thread. Need lawyer pedes in here, but it looks like Pence is being sued to do the right thing regarding the vote.
We will have to wait and see if the Left jumps to Pence's defense here.