Don't know how many years it's been since then, but that's not showing much better judgement then.
PEDES. ON THE DAY, JAN 6th, 2021,
it's a joint-session of congress to open the ELECTORS' votes for POTUS & VP; basically DEMOCRATS vs REPUBLICANS; and you want to split the republicans? or go 3rd party? WTH? Drink the Bull Moose Progressive(marxist) Kool-Aid?
3rd Party crap sailed before DJT came down the golden escalator; he studied it extensively, and made the choice to be a Republican. DJT = Republican. MAGA = REPUBLICAN. MAGA, DJT shortened for trademarking & better branding, from Ronald Reagan's 1980 Campaign of "Let's Make America Great Again".
Republicans = For our Republic
Democrats = For turning our Republic into muh Democracy; and Lefties then want to turn that Democracy, into a Commietopia.
Historical Pro-Tip: I've been warning for a long while (one of the first to seriously warn what was coming back on TDspezdit), that the Dems/marxists were marching double-time to push America towards Civil War 2.0 and,
so better figure out which team you're on. DJT = Republican.
Jan 6ths joint-session is basically Democrats vs Republicans. So why in GODS NAME would anyone want to split the republicans, like Progressive T.R. with the Bull Moosers.
The 2 party system was around pre 1776 of our Founding Fathers (Whigs vs Torries); and it's basically hidden deep within the bowels of the US Constitution like National Treasure-type redpills. If one party gets too weak, it's replaced; or if one gets too strong it splits in two (like biological cell divsion). There's many reasons for this, which today we might call neuroscience, and many other fields; of why and how people tend to see things differently, and how they react differently; and how these things can be taught/learned and change with age/wisdom/information/experience/
BTW unlike most here, I actually co-founded a "3rd Party" in college, we took half the seats our first time out. So if anyone has any clue about how much time, money, effort, leadership, training, etc it takes to build an organization and a politcal party; you'd realize it's a NO GO and rather foolish in this context here and now on a National Level.
We are in the 3rd Phase of Electors, and on the Eve of a major point in US History; now is NOT the time to be trying to make another party; and it's even more Commie Psy-Ops when you realize that DJT/Pence/Republicans just had an epic National LANDSLIDE WIN all across the USA. Not only do you say you don't identify with the winning team, but you're saying lets make a new team to take on the champions? WTH, makes no sense if you want DJT/America/US Constitution/Americans/Liberty/Freedom to win!
LONG LIVE OUR REPUBLIC!! MAGA On!
Remember, Republicans are a BIG TENT, and whenever there's "free association" you're never going to get a purity test and a 100% anything; so it's rather unrealistic and very nieve to think that ALL republicans are going to think X or Y OR Z; just as ALL Trump supporters haven't flushed those 3rd party bluepills out of their system put there by democracy rats, commies, monarchists, parliamentarians, etc.
VOTE & JOIN REPUBLICAN TO SAVE OUR REPUBLIC! VOTE & JOIN FOR LIFE, LIBERTY, & PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS (no lockdowns)!
PS And one more thing, with the marxists long march through the institutions; nearly all institutions need cleaning out. To clean it out, have to get involved. Like it will take a few years of REAL WORK, just to clean it out of PTA, BoyScouts, Churches, Schools, just on a local level with dozens or hundreds of Patriots doing the real work. And this goes for your local GOP/republican party too.
WHO SHOWS UP AND DOES THE WORK MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE
Most institutions of course, need some major marxism removal.
Most of the RINOs have been primaried, self-deported, or retired (and a few died).
There's always going to be RINOS in the BIG TENT; that's what comes with having free association. There's never going to be a 100% anything purity test.
There's a big difference between a RINO like MITTENS vs the crafty game of politics. Most Pedes aren't making this distinction.
And most Pedes, don't relax and realize half of DJT's tweet msgs are Trump and others (like Mitch) doing a WWF-tag team routine on the Dems (like good cop/bad cop). Realize the two largest lobbiest groups: the DoD lobbiests, and the Big Tech lobbiests just got creamed after getting milked. This was done by DJT and many of those whom are called RINOs on this DOM; because they don't know how the game is played in DC. DJT and republicans are absolutely destroying the swamp creatures on a level which is not obvious to most people.
So yes people like Romney, and a handful of other names are genuine RINOS. But 99% of Republicans are not RINOS. Particularly the REPUBLICANS whom are the ELECTORS.
Courage is strength in the face of fear, Courage is not the absence of fear.
It's not possible to make those lawmakers "fear" and do the right thing; because the Lefties will just make them fear more. But by giving those lawmakers and officials strength, and information; you can give them courage. By sharing strength with them, letting them know you'll hold the line, not abandon the trenches, it gives them courage to do the right thing.
Strength is not a LION logo. Like the movie The Wizard of OZ; the LION logo is the reverse, where people think they are projecting or adopting strength; but in reality, they are creating, adopting, and projecting the cowardly lion character who's looking for his courage.
A million Elephants showing up in DC is a thousand times more strength and power and wisdom and fun; than a million lions showing up in a capital or coliseum.
Not even remotely true. How many republicans at fed level are fighting dor Trump and calling out fraud?
I'm not trying to be flippant with this answer, but "politics" is far more complicated business than being a kids playground and seeing who's standing behind who in a playground fight. So sometimes there's "fake fights" like DJT/Mitch(and a few others) doing a WWF tag-team this last week playing good cop/bad cop to work over all the Dems and Lobbiests (the most powerful lobbies of DoD and Big Tech I might add).
The pork bill likely isn't going to matter, because Trump will veto it; and there's nothing Dems can do about it.
What Pedes are missing is much of this "noise" and half of Trump Tweets, is like head-fakes in basketball, or fake pitches to juke the runner on 1st base, or having part of your army troops feign retreat/weakness like the Battle of Cowpens, so then you can do a double-envelopment and win it all. DJT and Republicans are WINNING at every level; but people are too caught up on he said/she said gossip crap; to be paying attn to what's really going on.
Pedes have stress, I get that; in another 2 weeks it will be two years we've had our water cut off by the commies & corrupt; but I'm not going to let the commies and corrupt make me lose focus and get distracted or do infighting.
It's 2 weeks remaining the judiciary phase; and then joint-session of congress WHICH REQUIRES EVERY REPUBLICAN ON DECK!! NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR TRYING TO SPLIT MEMBERS OUT OF THE PARTY OR 3rd PARTY CRAP.
I get where you're coming from. I do really. But realize, you don't really get to go to Washington without learning to play the game well. It's the Establishment who is like the Major Leagues; ya AAA and AA ball is fun to watch; but you're going to have to be cheering on the Major League Players if you're in the World Series because THAT is who's in the game. These Establishment Republicans ARE the ELECTORS. These Establishment Republicans ARE the ones who will be voting in the joint-session.
Genuinely, every time the winds of public opinion shift, reps like Mitch and Graham, change their position.
This is the nature of politics going back to written history. This is one reason why politicians are considered liars and untrustworthy as a profession. But it's like prostitutes changing their position whenever the winds of the public shift. Understand that that is how they play their game, but they are good at their game. No different than say Germans complaining that Sgt. York was too good a sharpshooter; they're there to do a job; and that job gets done in different ways. POLITICS IS A TEAM SPORT. And sometimes it helps to have a different costumes and players on the team. Offense, Defense, Special Teams, Trick Plays, etc.
We're a faction that republican leadership must consider...
I get that too; but history says otherwise. Just as with Reagan, or Nixon, or Goldwater, or ... you can go back including all the way back to Lincoln. It simply doesn't work that way as you're thinking. What happens instead is there's always the "slower establishment" and the more active/impatient "newer recruits"; and the truth is it comes down to LEADERSHIP and real nuts and bolts POLITICAL SKILLS (like fundraising, organizing meetings, reading through bills/law/legislation, answering the phones, mailing lists, responding to and recruiting people into the party, teaching history, etc.)
We have a MAJOR leadership gap, between the TOP and the BOTTOM. By we I mean Pedes. The DOM. DJT supporters. The Republican Party. America. What in the military might be the NCOs; or like cant run a military without sgts or master chiefs. This middle layer doesn't exist like here on the DOM(even back on spezdit), there's MODS at the top; and pedes on the bottom, but there's no Sgt or Lt. or Major or Captain. Same for the WH, etc. In the republican party, this middle layer of leadership is way too thin and way under-trained. And even worse; there's NO recruitment & training funnel. This problem has existed for 5 years now.
to every primary. We're a faction even the rinos must consider
Ideally the RINOs will be primaried, that's the proper and strategic place to do it. This requires people in those areas to get their leadership and campaign skills up; which importantly includes fundraising. This is months away at the soonest to start.
That's exactly what Reagan did and Trump did and still doing (Trump is largely using Reagan's playbook, with updates and Trump's "Art of the Deal" insight/techniques among others he has.)
If Trump wanted to change the Elephant to a Lion he would have, he's branding genius; but the reality is there's major problems with doing this (which is honestly why the Pedes with the least wisdom enjoy the LION the most; the DEM version being the least wisdom Dems enjoying the ANTIFA logo compared to the DEM party).
I get that people have fun with it. But it's not owned IP and it's not the right time when the whole bandwidth of communication should be "Repubican" rallying cry to unite, in one giant Jan 6th joint-session. Changing uniforms before the big show, is not helpful; and for those that have even bigger antenna know, that it's also ripe for the false flag operations. All in All, it's nearly all downside.
Wrong.
This would be a new third party and it makes total sense.
A.) If they dont support Trump then why would you vote for RINOS?
B.) If Trump gets his second term then he can't run for a second. We could wipe out all the rinos by getting Trump supporters to vote for a new party. The party ive dubbed the Great American Party.
A.) The time for dealing with RINOs is in the PRIMARY, that's like 1.3 years from now. FOCUS on the HERE AND NOW.
B.) The REPUBLICAN PARTY & DJT, just had an epic landslide win all across the board, at every level. And you want to break that up? And you want to, not only not support the champions, but want to make a new team to take them on?
There's ALWAYS going to be RINOS, just as there is ALWAY going to be people with bluepilled dosages whom want to start a 3rd party; there's NEVER going to be a 100% purity test in anything with free-association & BIG TENT. Sure you can have a small group with purity testing, but that's not going to win.
Look up Jeff Flakes interview he did on his book tour awhile back. He tells the story of how his family became Republicans. He said that day in church, the elders (of the Morman) church were concerned that there were too many (I think it was democrats) so the minister said, "Okay all of you sitting on this side of isle are now Democrats, and all you on the other side are now Republicans."
Go start a new party. I did that on a college campus; co-founded it; and we won 1/2 the seats the first time out. I was somewhat born into politics, both my parents were poli sci majors; dad a lawyer ran for office/appointed/etc., mom an elected official. It takes A LOT of work, money, effort, training, leadership, time, etc to build a political party; which is why DJT looked into it many times in his life; and decided to make the choice that doing a Remodling and cleaning out the dirtyDems(neocons) from the Republican Party was easier than a new construction.
I do not mean to be a wet blanket; but my honest feedback is The G.A.P. is a terrible acronym for a political party; almost as bad as a Lie'on is for a mascot.
Don't know how many years it's been since then, but that's not showing much better judgement then.
PEDES. ON THE DAY, JAN 6th, 2021,
it's a joint-session of congress to open the ELECTORS' votes for POTUS & VP; basically DEMOCRATS vs REPUBLICANS; and you want to split the republicans? or go 3rd party? WTH? Drink the Bull Moose Progressive(marxist) Kool-Aid?
3rd Party crap sailed before DJT came down the golden escalator; he studied it extensively, and made the choice to be a Republican. DJT = Republican. MAGA = REPUBLICAN. MAGA, DJT shortened for trademarking & better branding, from Ronald Reagan's 1980 Campaign of "Let's Make America Great Again".
Republicans = For our Republic
Democrats = For turning our Republic into muh Democracy; and Lefties then want to turn that Democracy, into a Commietopia.
Historical Pro-Tip: I've been warning for a long while (one of the first to seriously warn what was coming back on TDspezdit), that the Dems/marxists were marching double-time to push America towards Civil War 2.0 and,
so better figure out which team you're on. DJT = Republican.
Jan 6ths joint-session is basically Democrats vs Republicans. So why in GODS NAME would anyone want to split the republicans, like Progressive T.R. with the Bull Moosers.
The 2 party system was around pre 1776 of our Founding Fathers (Whigs vs Torries); and it's basically hidden deep within the bowels of the US Constitution like National Treasure-type redpills. If one party gets too weak, it's replaced; or if one gets too strong it splits in two (like biological cell divsion). There's many reasons for this, which today we might call neuroscience, and many other fields; of why and how people tend to see things differently, and how they react differently; and how these things can be taught/learned and change with age/wisdom/information/experience/
BTW unlike most here, I actually co-founded a "3rd Party" in college, we took half the seats our first time out. So if anyone has any clue about how much time, money, effort, leadership, training, etc it takes to build an organization and a politcal party; you'd realize it's a NO GO and rather foolish in this context here and now on a National Level.
We are in the 3rd Phase of Electors, and on the Eve of a major point in US History; now is NOT the time to be trying to make another party; and it's even more Commie Psy-Ops when you realize that DJT/Pence/Republicans just had an epic National LANDSLIDE WIN all across the USA. Not only do you say you don't identify with the winning team, but you're saying lets make a new team to take on the champions? WTH, makes no sense if you want DJT/America/US Constitution/Americans/Liberty/Freedom to win!
LONG LIVE OUR REPUBLIC!! MAGA On!
Remember, Republicans are a BIG TENT, and whenever there's "free association" you're never going to get a purity test and a 100% anything; so it's rather unrealistic and very nieve to think that ALL republicans are going to think X or Y OR Z; just as ALL Trump supporters haven't flushed those 3rd party bluepills out of their system put there by democracy rats, commies, monarchists, parliamentarians, etc.
VOTE & JOIN REPUBLICAN TO SAVE OUR REPUBLIC! VOTE & JOIN FOR LIFE, LIBERTY, & PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS (no lockdowns)!
PS And one more thing, with the marxists long march through the institutions; nearly all institutions need cleaning out. To clean it out, have to get involved. Like it will take a few years of REAL WORK, just to clean it out of PTA, BoyScouts, Churches, Schools, just on a local level with dozens or hundreds of Patriots doing the real work. And this goes for your local GOP/republican party too.
WHO SHOWS UP AND DOES THE WORK MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE
Most institutions of course, need some major marxism removal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions
Also, Lions get tree'd by Elephants for days on end. Lions = England/GreatBritain in politics.
Except when the elephants are RINOs. In that case, they will eventually be devoured by the Lion and his kin.
Most of the RINOs have been primaried, self-deported, or retired (and a few died).
There's always going to be RINOS in the BIG TENT; that's what comes with having free association. There's never going to be a 100% anything purity test.
There's a big difference between a RINO like MITTENS vs the crafty game of politics. Most Pedes aren't making this distinction.
And most Pedes, don't relax and realize half of DJT's tweet msgs are Trump and others (like Mitch) doing a WWF-tag team routine on the Dems (like good cop/bad cop). Realize the two largest lobbiest groups: the DoD lobbiests, and the Big Tech lobbiests just got creamed after getting milked. This was done by DJT and many of those whom are called RINOs on this DOM; because they don't know how the game is played in DC. DJT and republicans are absolutely destroying the swamp creatures on a level which is not obvious to most people.
So yes people like Romney, and a handful of other names are genuine RINOS. But 99% of Republicans are not RINOS. Particularly the REPUBLICANS whom are the ELECTORS.
It's not possible to make those lawmakers "fear" and do the right thing; because the Lefties will just make them fear more. But by giving those lawmakers and officials strength, and information; you can give them courage. By sharing strength with them, letting them know you'll hold the line, not abandon the trenches, it gives them courage to do the right thing.
Strength is not a LION logo. Like the movie The Wizard of OZ; the LION logo is the reverse, where people think they are projecting or adopting strength; but in reality, they are creating, adopting, and projecting the cowardly lion character who's looking for his courage.
A million Elephants showing up in DC is a thousand times more strength and power and wisdom and fun; than a million lions showing up in a capital or coliseum.
Not even remotely true. How many republicans at fed level are fighting dor Trump and calling out fraud?
You are so far off base.
How many Republicans voted against this insane pork bill? 2 dozen?
I'm not trying to be flippant with this answer, but "politics" is far more complicated business than being a kids playground and seeing who's standing behind who in a playground fight. So sometimes there's "fake fights" like DJT/Mitch(and a few others) doing a WWF tag-team this last week playing good cop/bad cop to work over all the Dems and Lobbiests (the most powerful lobbies of DoD and Big Tech I might add).
The pork bill likely isn't going to matter, because Trump will veto it; and there's nothing Dems can do about it.
What Pedes are missing is much of this "noise" and half of Trump Tweets, is like head-fakes in basketball, or fake pitches to juke the runner on 1st base, or having part of your army troops feign retreat/weakness like the Battle of Cowpens, so then you can do a double-envelopment and win it all. DJT and Republicans are WINNING at every level; but people are too caught up on he said/she said gossip crap; to be paying attn to what's really going on.
Pedes have stress, I get that; in another 2 weeks it will be two years we've had our water cut off by the commies & corrupt; but I'm not going to let the commies and corrupt make me lose focus and get distracted or do infighting.
It's 2 weeks remaining the judiciary phase; and then joint-session of congress WHICH REQUIRES EVERY REPUBLICAN ON DECK!! NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR TRYING TO SPLIT MEMBERS OUT OF THE PARTY OR 3rd PARTY CRAP.
I get where you're coming from. I do really. But realize, you don't really get to go to Washington without learning to play the game well. It's the Establishment who is like the Major Leagues; ya AAA and AA ball is fun to watch; but you're going to have to be cheering on the Major League Players if you're in the World Series because THAT is who's in the game. These Establishment Republicans ARE the ELECTORS. These Establishment Republicans ARE the ones who will be voting in the joint-session.
This is the nature of politics going back to written history. This is one reason why politicians are considered liars and untrustworthy as a profession. But it's like prostitutes changing their position whenever the winds of the public shift. Understand that that is how they play their game, but they are good at their game. No different than say Germans complaining that Sgt. York was too good a sharpshooter; they're there to do a job; and that job gets done in different ways. POLITICS IS A TEAM SPORT. And sometimes it helps to have a different costumes and players on the team. Offense, Defense, Special Teams, Trick Plays, etc.
I get that too; but history says otherwise. Just as with Reagan, or Nixon, or Goldwater, or ... you can go back including all the way back to Lincoln. It simply doesn't work that way as you're thinking. What happens instead is there's always the "slower establishment" and the more active/impatient "newer recruits"; and the truth is it comes down to LEADERSHIP and real nuts and bolts POLITICAL SKILLS (like fundraising, organizing meetings, reading through bills/law/legislation, answering the phones, mailing lists, responding to and recruiting people into the party, teaching history, etc.)
We have a MAJOR leadership gap, between the TOP and the BOTTOM. By we I mean Pedes. The DOM. DJT supporters. The Republican Party. America. What in the military might be the NCOs; or like cant run a military without sgts or master chiefs. This middle layer doesn't exist like here on the DOM(even back on spezdit), there's MODS at the top; and pedes on the bottom, but there's no Sgt or Lt. or Major or Captain. Same for the WH, etc. In the republican party, this middle layer of leadership is way too thin and way under-trained. And even worse; there's NO recruitment & training funnel. This problem has existed for 5 years now.
Ideally the RINOs will be primaried, that's the proper and strategic place to do it. This requires people in those areas to get their leadership and campaign skills up; which importantly includes fundraising. This is months away at the soonest to start.
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
But seriously, it doesn't need to be a third party; we can take the GOP and update.
That's exactly what Reagan did and Trump did and still doing (Trump is largely using Reagan's playbook, with updates and Trump's "Art of the Deal" insight/techniques among others he has.)
If Trump wanted to change the Elephant to a Lion he would have, he's branding genius; but the reality is there's major problems with doing this (which is honestly why the Pedes with the least wisdom enjoy the LION the most; the DEM version being the least wisdom Dems enjoying the ANTIFA logo compared to the DEM party).
I get that people have fun with it. But it's not owned IP and it's not the right time when the whole bandwidth of communication should be "Repubican" rallying cry to unite, in one giant Jan 6th joint-session. Changing uniforms before the big show, is not helpful; and for those that have even bigger antenna know, that it's also ripe for the false flag operations. All in All, it's nearly all downside.
Wrong. This would be a new third party and it makes total sense. A.) If they dont support Trump then why would you vote for RINOS? B.) If Trump gets his second term then he can't run for a second. We could wipe out all the rinos by getting Trump supporters to vote for a new party. The party ive dubbed the Great American Party.
A.) The time for dealing with RINOs is in the PRIMARY, that's like 1.3 years from now. FOCUS on the HERE AND NOW.
B.) The REPUBLICAN PARTY & DJT, just had an epic landslide win all across the board, at every level. And you want to break that up? And you want to, not only not support the champions, but want to make a new team to take them on?
There's ALWAYS going to be RINOS, just as there is ALWAY going to be people with bluepilled dosages whom want to start a 3rd party; there's NEVER going to be a 100% purity test in anything with free-association & BIG TENT. Sure you can have a small group with purity testing, but that's not going to win.
Look up Jeff Flakes interview he did on his book tour awhile back. He tells the story of how his family became Republicans. He said that day in church, the elders (of the Morman) church were concerned that there were too many (I think it was democrats) so the minister said, "Okay all of you sitting on this side of isle are now Democrats, and all you on the other side are now Republicans."
Go start a new party. I did that on a college campus; co-founded it; and we won 1/2 the seats the first time out. I was somewhat born into politics, both my parents were poli sci majors; dad a lawyer ran for office/appointed/etc., mom an elected official. It takes A LOT of work, money, effort, training, leadership, time, etc to build a political party; which is why DJT looked into it many times in his life; and decided to make the choice that doing a Remodling and cleaning out the dirtyDems(neocons) from the Republican Party was easier than a new construction.
I do not mean to be a wet blanket; but my honest feedback is The G.A.P. is a terrible acronym for a political party; almost as bad as a Lie'on is for a mascot.
Yeah 1.3byears away. And what action do you think will be taken regarding the new party before then.
You are all over the place. The new party is a good idea and when people discuss it they are talking about in 2 years or more.