he us a traitor who tried to undermine the nsa at the time that the head of thensa mike rogers was trying to help the incoming trump administration
Is this separate from the whistle-blowing he did in 2013? Because at the time this was seen as a huge black eye for Obama and was 2 years before Trump even started his campaign.
Why is Assange still in British muzzie prison and not yet extradited here? If Trump pardons him while not here, he still won't be free, will he? Get possession, then pardon?
As someone who held a top level clearance almost my entire adult life, I do not hate Snowden, I just think he is stupid. There are many ways to funnel information to the right people, and he seemed to skip a lot of that and go the whole "fuck it" route. I don't seem him as a hero, I see him as someone that was sitting on top of explosive stuff and had no idea how to handle it and chose probably the worst possible route.
But he's not a traitor. And he had shit-all to do with Rogers and the NSA. That makes no sense to even say that, considering Rogers was blowing the whistle on the same shit Snowden did.
Snowden should serve about 5 years in prison and then never be allowed a clearance again. And he should get "time served" for his self-exile.
Assange is a different matter. Pardon, if there is a way to do it. I have no idea if there is really, because I am not sure his charges were even formally brought.
Why should he have held back any information he had from the public?
That is exactly what Snowden did. He worked for the CIA, and yet he has refused to provide any evidence to expose the traitors in the CIA. Snowden's only goal has been to damage the NSA, and protect the CIA. All those who protect traitors in the CIA, like Snowden has done, must be held accountable.
I blame him for running with a hard drive of our foreign intelligence that he is trading on for a lifestyle while claiming to be a hero for exposing an nsa program that had a 30 page magazine article detailing it out the previous month.
Yeah I remember Trump introducing that NoKo defector at the SOTU as a traitor. Oh wait, he didn't - probably because treason implies your government hasn't betrayed you first!
Fuck Snowden
he us a traitor who tried to undermine the nsa at the time that the head of thensa mike rogers was trying to help the incoming trump administration
fuck snowden
assange definitely
not snowden
Is this separate from the whistle-blowing he did in 2013? Because at the time this was seen as a huge black eye for Obama and was 2 years before Trump even started his campaign.
yes
This is nonsense.
OMG Snowden said the NSA which is part of the entrenched deep state is bad.
But omg Mike Rogers worked for them so the entire organization must be good????
WTF?!? Have you not been paying attention the past 4 years.
Why is Assange still in British muzzie prison and not yet extradited here? If Trump pardons him while not here, he still won't be free, will he? Get possession, then pardon?
As someone who held a top level clearance almost my entire adult life, I do not hate Snowden, I just think he is stupid. There are many ways to funnel information to the right people, and he seemed to skip a lot of that and go the whole "fuck it" route. I don't seem him as a hero, I see him as someone that was sitting on top of explosive stuff and had no idea how to handle it and chose probably the worst possible route.
But he's not a traitor. And he had shit-all to do with Rogers and the NSA. That makes no sense to even say that, considering Rogers was blowing the whistle on the same shit Snowden did.
Snowden should serve about 5 years in prison and then never be allowed a clearance again. And he should get "time served" for his self-exile.
Assange is a different matter. Pardon, if there is a way to do it. I have no idea if there is really, because I am not sure his charges were even formally brought.
Snowden is 100% a HERO.
Why should he have held back any information he had from the public?
Do we the people not have a 4th amendment or rights to know our gov is tracking us?
Why should he have done anything different? NSA needs to be abolished along with FBI, CIA, IRS, Fed Reserve, 16A, etc.
Sick of the deep state shadow BS. They classify anything they don't want us to see and have a license to loot, kill & spy. NSA can shove it
That is exactly what Snowden did. He worked for the CIA, and yet he has refused to provide any evidence to expose the traitors in the CIA. Snowden's only goal has been to damage the NSA, and protect the CIA. All those who protect traitors in the CIA, like Snowden has done, must be held accountable.
Maybe you need to read up on what an actual traitor is. We have hundreds of them here.
Maybe you do.
he was not planning to go to Russia deep state make sure the only place he could go was there so they can smear him with their favorite weapon.
Except he was when he first decided to flee to China for his crimes and he was held up unable to go to basically any other country.
He didn’t defect.
He was forced there.
That’s a well documented, openly reported and publicly seen aspect of the original story.
Russia was not his first choice.
Like you’re entitled to maintain a different opinion but anyone who followed the story at the time would understand you to be ignorant of the facts.
I blame him for running with a hard drive of our foreign intelligence that he is trading on for a lifestyle while claiming to be a hero for exposing an nsa program that had a 30 page magazine article detailing it out the previous month.
Yeah I remember Trump introducing that NoKo defector at the SOTU as a traitor. Oh wait, he didn't - probably because treason implies your government hasn't betrayed you first!