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VoterIDMatters 5 points ago +25 / -20

Fuck Snowden

he us a traitor who tried to undermine the nsa at the time that the head of thensa mike rogers was trying to help the incoming trump administration

fuck snowden

assange definitely

not snowden

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Keln 3 points ago +11 / -8

As someone who held a top level clearance almost my entire adult life, I do not hate Snowden, I just think he is stupid. There are many ways to funnel information to the right people, and he seemed to skip a lot of that and go the whole "fuck it" route. I don't seem him as a hero, I see him as someone that was sitting on top of explosive stuff and had no idea how to handle it and chose probably the worst possible route.

But he's not a traitor. And he had shit-all to do with Rogers and the NSA. That makes no sense to even say that, considering Rogers was blowing the whistle on the same shit Snowden did.

Snowden should serve about 5 years in prison and then never be allowed a clearance again. And he should get "time served" for his self-exile.

Assange is a different matter. Pardon, if there is a way to do it. I have no idea if there is really, because I am not sure his charges were even formally brought.

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Kinkinnatus 1 point ago +2 / -1

Yeah I remember Trump introducing that NoKo defector at the SOTU as a traitor. Oh wait, he didn't - probably because treason implies your government hasn't betrayed you first!