I love you fellow pedes and I love this website. This is my first post ever. I've spent way to much time on here since the election.
I judge no one for being skeptical of the vaccine. Public health officials have been next to worthless. The lockdowns are draconian. Politicians are allowed to live outside the rules they have forced on the rest of us. The fear mongering and the abuses that have come along with it are unacceptable.
I'm under 40 with no major health problems....so why the fuck did I take the vaccine?
In no particular order here are my three major reasons:
- I am concerned about the long term effects COVID has on the body even after acute recovery from mild disease
I am an ER doc and I walk into COVID rooms daily. Over the past year I've seen a number of people my age struggling for air and having to be admitted. Some of this younger population ultimately died. I admit these are outliers. However, we did don't know what COVID does to the body long term. We are seeing a lot of chronic fatigue in people that have recovered as well as cardiomyopathy. In some of these patients deemed "long haulers" the fatigue is lasting months. If I have to role the dice between the risks of the vaccine and COVID, Ill go with the vaccine. Yes, I considered Bells Palsy etc.
- Protecting my family
I've also got parents with chronic conditions that put them in a super high risk group if they contract COVID. I've barely seen them over the past year. Theoretically I could have such a mild case I wouldn't know it and pass it to them. I wish I could give my vaccine to one of them. Unfortunately, thats not how it works and since I am the most likely vector in their lives, I'll take the shot.
- Possible mutation to a strain that is more lethal
I know the overall risks for a younger healthy person are low. We are recently seeing strains that are apparently more infectious. This is concerning, but not near as concerning as the possibility the virus could either mutate or acquire some factors that make it more lethal.
Call me shill. I don't care.
I'll keep you guys updated when I get my second dose. Thats the one that apparently really sucks.
I love you fellow pedes and I love this website. This is my first post ever. I've spent way to much time on here since the election.
I judge no one for being skeptical of the vaccine. Public health officials have been next to worthless. The lockdowns are draconian. Politicians are allowed to live outside the rules they have forced on the rest of us. The fear mongering and the abuses that have come along with it are unacceptable.
I'm under 40 with no major health problems....so why the fuck did I take the vaccine?
In no particular order here are my three major reasons:
1) I am concerned about the long term effects COVID has on the body even after acute recovery from mild disease
I am an ER doc and I walk into COVID rooms daily. Over the past year I've seen a number of people my age struggling for air and having to be admitted. Some of this younger population ultimately died. I admit these are outliers. However, we did don't know what COVID does to the body long term. We are seeing a lot of chronic fatigue in people that have recovered as well as cardiomyopathy. In some of these patients deemed "long haulers" the fatigue is lasting months. If I have to role the dice between the risks of the vaccine and COVID, Ill go with the vaccine. Yes, I considered Bells Palsy etc.
2) Protecting my family
I've also got parents with chronic conditions that put them in a super high risk group if they contract COVID. I've barely seen them over the past year. Theoretically I could have such a mild case I wouldn't know it and pass it to them. I wish I could give my vaccine to one of them. Unfortunately, thats not how it works and since I am the most likely vector in their lives, I'll take the shot.
3) Possible mutation to a strain that is more lethal
I know the overall risks for a younger healthy person are low. We are recently seeing strains that are apparently more infectious. This is concerning, but not near as concerning as the possibility the virus could either mutate or acquire some factors that make it more lethal.
Call me shill. I don't care.
I'll keep you guys updated when I get my second dose. Thats the one that apparently really sucks.
Glow on
Fuck those vaccines. I ate Ivermectin horse paste from tractor supply for $2.99.
LMAO
Go for it. Ivermectin has its side effects too (seizures and vision loss) make sure you dose it right.
Side effects are very minimal. I'll take my chances on this over bells paulsy and god knows what 2 years down the line with these vaccines.
Bells Palsy was definitely one of the things I considered before getting the shot. Of the patients that got bells palsy, it occurred at different time periods. Also, it occurred at a rate that was lower than the expected baseline rate within a population of that sample size.
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Brand new account shill.
Wall of text = lefty shill
STFU with your bullshit rushed gene therapy, fucking QUACK
It was when they announced that race riots were exempt from the lockdown that I lost faith in doctors. Our medical leaders have betrayed our trust due to cowardice or ideology, and greed.
The scope of the damage they have done is breathtaking in it's scope. You thought anti-vaxxers were gaining traction before, buddy you ain't seen nothing yet. And to be clear I am not anti-vax, which is precisely why I am so angry.
Same
What public health officials have done is absolutely awful. The myopic focus on only COVID with no other considerations for mental health, the economy, etc and the pass for lefty protesters is unforgivable.
Im really not surprised though. Medical specialties seem to split on party lines. Most surgeons I know are conservatives.
THeres a bunch of specialties that are full of liberals-family med, psych, pediatrics, and of course -public health
The more merit required for a position the more 'conservative' the person holding that position. You'll notice that when an industry is infested with "liberalism" the quality of the work takes a nose-dive.
To put it another way, a surgeon can't bullshit his or her way through the job.
If we let this war on merit continue, however, we are heading for a medical dark age.
No thanks. After all my own research, the vaccine has WAY more risks and unknowns than the virus. Curious, did you think about the long term effects of the vaccine? Generations from now?
I certainly did consider the risks. I actually took care of one of the patients that had an anaphylactic reaction. To my knowledge there have been 7 in total so far. The mRNA in the vaccine can not be added to your DNA and breaks down very easily. What specifically are you most concerned abut with future generations?
You started your post telling us how much you live this website and yet, a brand new account.
I’m going with This is a paid shill, working with scripts and tailoring them.
FYI there is a tell in your bedside manner.
Obviously, I won’t be sharing what that is. Would t want you fixing it.
I agree it looks suspicious. I've been going to TD since it was on reddit though. Admittedly, Ive come here a lot more since the election since this is where the news actually is first.
Zinc, Vitamin C, exercise. You’ll be fine.
Totally agree on Zinc and Vit C. If you are interested in those types of therapies you should also look into glycyrrhizin which comes from liquorice. It has antiviral properties as well as inhibiting the inflammatory cascade.
Thanks pede, I’ll check it out.
Just dont take too much. It can affect your adrenal function and blood pressure. Seriously though anytime I know a had a major exposure to the virus in aerosol (intubation for example) I always take some Zinc and glycyrrhizin when I get home.
The..... theory behind vaccines or why an ER doctor would take it is unquestionable, but our institutions now are. And especially “handshakes” newbies. Good luck with all that.
Have your sperm count checked in a few weeks and let us know if you can still make babies and make them that don't come out messed up.
My point is we still don't really know how it affects the body long term. If im rolling the dice, Ill go with the vaccine. I do not think that makes me a martyr. I know thats not the choice most here would make. You know there's many different mutations that could occur. As long as the protein component the vaccine is targeted against is not changed then in still works. What specialty are you?
The vaccine has a high possibility of not being effective for newer strains.
Also we have never had mRNA vaccines before and there are very very people in the world who have much knowledge about it. So anyone who says they are perfectly safe or something most likely doesn't know what they are talking about. We don't know the long term or even longer than a few month effects of it.
As of last Friday afternoon, CDC had already learned of 3,150 people who'd received the vaccine had already been "unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, [or] required care from doctor or health care professional", figure supposedly represented about 1.5% of the 215,000 [PAGE 6]
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf
And in UK:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/941452/Information_for_healthcare_professionals.pdf
Page 5 & 6 onwards
So with that said, my personal opinion is that the vaccine should only be administered to people older than 50 or 60 as they have the most risk. Younger population neither has much risk, nor should they risk a new mRNA vaccine. They should just eventually get infected and then recover to allow herd immunity. Pregnant women definitely should not be taking it as UK guidelines specifically prohibit.
Also governments have given full immunity to the vaccine companies so good luck if anything goes wrong.
Obviously I am not going to stop anyone from taking it - but I also don't want anyone from forcing it on everyone and I want people to really research it before taking it. And research does not equal reading the news media propaganda.
Yeah the second dose apparently really sucks. Of the people I know that have had it so far they have all felt pretty shitty the next day or two. After that no problems though.
We will certainly see long term. Like I originally said. Ill let you guys know how it goes.
Regarding #2 my understanding is that getting the vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching it, right? Going forward you can still catch it the same. It just (assuming the vaccine works) helps your body be prepared to fight it off effectively. You can still transmit it to your loved ones while you have it.
And yes I think you're a shill.
Not to do too deep a dive but....Your body needs to be shedding viral particles (saliva, coughing, etc) at a high rate to cause infection to another person. If your immune system has already been trained to recognize the virus when you come into contact with it your immune system will destroy it and prevent any meaning shedding of the virus. The vac is supposedly about 95% effective at training your immune system to do this.
Say what you will about mRNA vaccines, there is actually something that is quite cool about them. Normally a vaccine will contain part of a protein that is in/on the viral shell. When your body sees the protein...BANG. It goes after the virus. This immunity only lasts so long though. mRNA vaccines teach the body to not just recognize a viral protein but also the genetic code for it so if the viral RNA shows up again it will be destroyed/ recognized as foreign. This immunity lasts much longer.
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I think it's a damn shame Hydroxychloroquine was politicized. The risks with that med were way overblown with the MSM. The research against it was junk science ad the AMA position on it was BS. There's a reason I dont send the AMA any money and let my membership lapse after medical school. As for as its true effectiveness Im still not sure, but Ill happily write the script for a patient that wants to try it. There's so many people that handle COVID just fine that I think we have to ask was it Hydroxychloroquine or were they going to be fine anyway. I think I like to see a well done study in high risk population and see how well it works there.
Do you think the virus was made in a lab?
Do you think it's a fairly standard coronavirus to which has been added a "gain-of-function" ability to bind to the ACE2 receptors present in almost all human cells?
I got the vaccine too. Im 90% sure I will be fine with or without it. Call me a guinea pig but I am involved in healthcare and my parents are apart of the group thats more vulnerable to covid.
If the people who get Covid are very advanced in age or have serious co-morbidities, how do you know if Covid is even real?
What has proven the lethality of Covid with such confounding factors? It could be relatively harmless that people who are dying die of, as they will tend to die of the most harmless of things.
I demand direct and conclusive experimental evidence, thx.
"How do I know COVID is real?"
With viral syndromes we usually see either a predominately respiratory or GI symptoms. With COVID you tend to get both. Also, the appearance of the xrays are quite unique. These show bilateral patchy opacities. This appearance is actually not that common. There are also a number of labs that show up it certain ways. Individually these are meaningless. When these all show up together in the same way over and over you begin to realize its the same disease.
Covid may be relatively harmless since only sick people get it and the advanced in age, who are prone to dying of anything anyway. Why should we consider it anything more than the cold?
Well like I said in my original post-in a large portion of the people that handle it just fine we are still seeing inflammatory changes in the heart muscle and chronic fatigue. In some of these patients the severe fatigue is lasting months. I aint got time for that. This is something we don't typically see with a common cold. BTW I'm a big advocate of zinc and glycerrhizin as treatment/ preventative measures and Im not trying to convince anyone to take the shot.
One of the few times I've seen glycerrhizin as a preventative- what about this / the metabolic pathways is key there? Blood potassium level modulation? Anyway- you didn't say which vaccine- assuming Pfizer with the mRna. What do you think about Moderna? Just curious- I don't intend to take one, but like to stay informed. Appreciate your reasonable dialogue amidst the pushback!
Good luck!
You personally assessed the risks and made a choice. I completely support that! Hopefully you also completely assessoed thenrigis and chose to NOT get it.
(Frankly, considering where you work, Ithink it makes perfect sense. )
I hope the vaccine makes you sterile