What's even the "on paper" justification for rules like this? If the wife and husband both sign a waiver what's the problem? Is a patient less likely to spread than their family?
It’s all fucking madness! People need to respectfully but loudly keep speaking out, all the fucking time. That will force those in power to either back down or go full on tyranny real fast, fast enough so the lobsters realize the water is boiling.
Medical authoritarianism. It's more common than you think. Medicine has a dark and bloody history and a common theme is forcing rules onto people and eventually it turns out the medical "experts" were wrong.
private property, the hospital can (and probably will) kick you out for trespassing and win. its fucking super lame but thats the deal. i fucking hate it
not if your wife is already in the delivery room hooked up to monitors. not only is it almost logistically impossible at that point. even if you do manage to get upstairs to the labor dept, get her outta there, and somehow find another hospital to go to, you will forever look like the asshole from your wife. not worth it if you ask me. its a zero-sum game and you will forever be the dickhead.
ok toughguy, lemme know how it works for you. i dislike this whole shenanigans as much as the next guy, but it aint gonna work. im not gonna miss my child being born next week because some security guard wants to go on a powertrip. i only get one chance to be around for this, im not going to fuck it up being an internet tough guy.
Say that you're really cold and could use a coat.. a white doctors coat. Then just find a stethoscope and walk around til you find her ;) (jokes)
I dont get the rationsle if you were just in a car together. Visiting your Grandma who you may not of seen in a while, sure - still dont like it but can be justified. Not seeing your wife who you were just in a car with.. dont make no sense!
Record them denying you access and why etc. Dont be an ass about just get it on record. It wont help right now, but it could in future to sue.. you never know what could happen.
Try threatening to leave to another hospital that is utter horseshit. Valley medical let my mom go in with my dad to the emergency room when he fell 12 feet and we thought he broke his back
Yeah I am in Tacoma. Go ahead and get a lawyer and see if they will take the case. You were with your wife when she came and and when she leaves. Who exactly are they protecting? Is she in a room with lots of people?
Don’t do this. I’m in Minneapolis and my step mom has metastatic cancer. She went in to have 3 organs removed and my father was kicked out by 8-10 security guards. He had a mask on, he just wasn’t allowed past the waiting room.
Fight the system and all, but you’re just being forced to abandon your wife that way. It’s private property :(
The staff are assigned different roles and different patients. Not every staff has the license to practice nursing or to be a doctor. While one nurses and techs team might be busy, another's team might be content and slow. Doesn't mean that a slow period is reflective of the whole shift. I'm an RN on the Medical floor and we've had irate family members come to the desk and complain about their family member needing help and we are all just sitting there yet they don't realize I've been managing 6-7 patients of my own and nobody from that patients team has reached out to any other team for help, so while I've been efficient with my time and worked hard to get my stuff done and how dare I sit down to chart for 20 minutes cuz that's just laziness to lay people. If you don't know how a hospital unit is actually ran then don't talk smack. Workloads come in waves and usually places work with skeleton crews and there's lots of turnovers everywhere cuz everywhere sucks to work. Family is always hateful, the old people are always hateful and then you get people getting mad at you when you're not the one that makes the stupid rules and if you don't enforce them you will get canned and open yourself up to all kinds of legal lawsuits
This is the truth, everyone is compartmentalized and intervening in someone elses assignment is usually not appreciated or worse. I'm concerned that you've been on a medical floor too long, though. Try to move to surgery or something.
Uh sounds to me like you're in the wrong profession. Being an RN means you're supposed to help people and oh, NURSE people. So if some family member comes up to you and needs help, then you should help them and that means finding them help, even if they're not your assigned patient. Otherwise, why are you there? You're everything that's wrong with the medical profession.
With a baby on the way, they only have to have you removed and you’ve missed it. You can win in court later, but it will never replace what you’ve missed. OPs wife isn’t in labor, but the point is still valid.
God bless you and your family.
What's even the "on paper" justification for rules like this? If the wife and husband both sign a waiver what's the problem? Is a patient less likely to spread than their family?
And what happened to the whole social bubble argument???
It’s all fucking madness! People need to respectfully but loudly keep speaking out, all the fucking time. That will force those in power to either back down or go full on tyranny real fast, fast enough so the lobsters realize the water is boiling.
Medical authoritarianism. It's more common than you think. Medicine has a dark and bloody history and a common theme is forcing rules onto people and eventually it turns out the medical "experts" were wrong.
It's like they eroded the notion of consent decree when that was foundational to medicine
What are some historical examples of major medical tyranny?
There is no reasonable justification for any of this.
Demoralisation. That’s why.
I know that's the real reason, I was asking for the reason that they share publicly
private property, the hospital can (and probably will) kick you out for trespassing and win. its fucking super lame but thats the deal. i fucking hate it
Yeah?https://www.brighteon.com/4be57cc8-9073-4b8f-9c30-529a8f9b4180
Threaten to go to a different hospital and they'll be afraid to lose that money
No they don't give a shit, trust me. And she's already in a room, ie accruing charges. Sorry!
pretty sure they already got the covid funding on signed entry documents.
not if your wife is already in the delivery room hooked up to monitors. not only is it almost logistically impossible at that point. even if you do manage to get upstairs to the labor dept, get her outta there, and somehow find another hospital to go to, you will forever look like the asshole from your wife. not worth it if you ask me. its a zero-sum game and you will forever be the dickhead.
This put in the transfer papers and hire a midwife for an at home birth, Transfer her home.
Place wouldn't give a shit less for you to leave
Hospital aren't private as a massive bulk of their funding is from the state
ok toughguy, lemme know how it works for you. i dislike this whole shenanigans as much as the next guy, but it aint gonna work. im not gonna miss my child being born next week because some security guard wants to go on a powertrip. i only get one chance to be around for this, im not going to fuck it up being an internet tough guy.
No, no. That's not how this works. The hospital is private property, it's NOT public property. It doesn't matter where the do funding comes from.
How can they kick you out for trespassing while still holding on to YOUR family member?
Say that you're really cold and could use a coat.. a white doctors coat. Then just find a stethoscope and walk around til you find her ;) (jokes)
I dont get the rationsle if you were just in a car together. Visiting your Grandma who you may not of seen in a while, sure - still dont like it but can be justified. Not seeing your wife who you were just in a car with.. dont make no sense!
Record them denying you access and why etc. Dont be an ass about just get it on record. It wont help right now, but it could in future to sue.. you never know what could happen.
I live in Washington state. I unfortunately think you are wrong about that.
Try threatening to leave to another hospital that is utter horseshit. Valley medical let my mom go in with my dad to the emergency room when he fell 12 feet and we thought he broke his back
Yeah, I live in Wa state too. Did you miss this? She is a practicing RN with Masters Degree.https://www.brighteon.com/4be57cc8-9073-4b8f-9c30-529a8f9b4180
Yeah I am in Tacoma. Go ahead and get a lawyer and see if they will take the case. You were with your wife when she came and and when she leaves. Who exactly are they protecting? Is she in a room with lots of people?
Don’t do this. I’m in Minneapolis and my step mom has metastatic cancer. She went in to have 3 organs removed and my father was kicked out by 8-10 security guards. He had a mask on, he just wasn’t allowed past the waiting room. Fight the system and all, but you’re just being forced to abandon your wife that way. It’s private property :(
The staff are assigned different roles and different patients. Not every staff has the license to practice nursing or to be a doctor. While one nurses and techs team might be busy, another's team might be content and slow. Doesn't mean that a slow period is reflective of the whole shift. I'm an RN on the Medical floor and we've had irate family members come to the desk and complain about their family member needing help and we are all just sitting there yet they don't realize I've been managing 6-7 patients of my own and nobody from that patients team has reached out to any other team for help, so while I've been efficient with my time and worked hard to get my stuff done and how dare I sit down to chart for 20 minutes cuz that's just laziness to lay people. If you don't know how a hospital unit is actually ran then don't talk smack. Workloads come in waves and usually places work with skeleton crews and there's lots of turnovers everywhere cuz everywhere sucks to work. Family is always hateful, the old people are always hateful and then you get people getting mad at you when you're not the one that makes the stupid rules and if you don't enforce them you will get canned and open yourself up to all kinds of legal lawsuits
This is the truth, everyone is compartmentalized and intervening in someone elses assignment is usually not appreciated or worse. I'm concerned that you've been on a medical floor too long, though. Try to move to surgery or something.
Uh sounds to me like you're in the wrong profession. Being an RN means you're supposed to help people and oh, NURSE people. So if some family member comes up to you and needs help, then you should help them and that means finding them help, even if they're not your assigned patient. Otherwise, why are you there? You're everything that's wrong with the medical profession.
Except keep you from your wife and baby. Play the game while you have to.
you dont have tohttps://www.brighteon.com/4be57cc8-9073-4b8f-9c30-529a8f9b4180
With a baby on the way, they only have to have you removed and you’ve missed it. You can win in court later, but it will never replace what you’ve missed. OPs wife isn’t in labor, but the point is still valid.
As I heard that I was in an almost empty hospital watching them deny entry to my dying friends wife.good goverment sponsored times.
https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/1341020665856536577?s=20
not to mention:https://www.brighteon.com/4be57cc8-9073-4b8f-9c30-529a8f9b4180
Don't think any healthcare provider made these statements
Well that sucks but thankfully Mom and baby are ok. Hope everything goes well for you this night and the coming days.
"DITTO"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORCE YOUR WAY IN>
DON"T LET THEM STOP YOU>
YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE AS NEXT OF KIN AND COVID DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR RIGHTS AS A FATHER AND HUSBAND
WORSE TO WORSE THEY GET COPS WHO WILL LET YOU GO BACK TO SEE YOUR WIFE.
Everyone clap for the fucking idiot.
Lol that's not how any of this works