Careful with that type of language, you'll have me choking because I've tried to simultaneously cram dozens of Patriot pills down my throat and up my ass at the same time.
Yep, start from scratch. We must throughly out and gut the Beijing Bought Bureaucracy as our Founding Fathers throughly outed the Loyalists to the King’s putrid policies.
The brave soldier Micah Johnson taught us that one soldier can subdue 5 of them. We don’t need to do the same but there is power in a unified show of force. Whoever controls the violence gets compliance. That compliance can be attained most of the time without firing a single shot.
start with the Q-tard LARPers powell and wood. they are WORTHLESS and the only thing they accomplished was make millions of dollars for themselves by swindling MAGA people by tricking them that them two are doing anything when they have done NOTHING.
Powell sucks so much ass that her Kraken source is some beta LARPer who was in reality an Army mechanic and he never ever served in the 305th In the intel group and he flunked every single intel related exam, LMFAO.
Powell at the very least was a respected lawyer with an incredibly high success rate. Lin Wood got CNN to settle a lawsuit with a teenager. I don’t particularly trust them at this point but I see no reason why these people would completely burn their careers and reputation over this. Money? Doubt it. They would become some of the most hated and harassed people on this planet if they turn out to be completely full of shit. Not that it’s impossible, but I’m not counting them out yet.
I don't know why, but Lin Wood might well be in the process of burning his reputation and career. Yesterday, he tweeted that overnight, Trump was going to start his offensive. It might take a couple of days to be sure, but by Monday, we'll know if that was true or not. And if it isn't, then Lin Wood has gone full clown: completely with makeup, rubber nose, colored wig, and clown shoes.
No he won’t if Democrats continue to walk all over us while he is in charge. He has a tremendous, tremendous amount of support. That will erode very quickly if Biden is sworn in. We have a lot of patience but this isn’t about one man, it is about our republic. If he failed to protect the election process in the four years he had in office, and Biden is sworn in, and Trump steps aside, watch what happens to his ability to lead.
Remember, we are diehard Trump supporters here, the majority of the nation is not as intensely in his corner as we are. They will see his failure to protect the office, to prevent lockdowns, to punish the deep state, his failure to punish spies and traitors, they will see all of these things and decide to look for someone else. Frankly, at this point, I don’t blame them. I am loyal to the republic first, then to Trump. If I think even for an instant that someone else can do a better job that is who I will support. The republic is more important than one man.
This is an accurate statement. He finishes what he started and becomes legend for centuries, or he goes down with the movement and is erased from history and remembered as someone who didn't finish and blinked when he looked eye to eye with the deep state commies.
He's literally one guy fighting thousands of evil people. I think it was a miracle he was elected in the first place, and to be quite honest the job of making our government accountable to THE PEOPLE again may fall on... We The People.
You are right. But he alone wields the power of the movement and the presidency. He took on the deep state and I'm glad he did. But he can't leave us with it to decide how we move forward. We're ready to defend him and this country, but the action needs his blessing as does the movement.
It wouldn’t even be shocking if POTUs got “outmaneuvered” by the Deep State- they are global and more powerful than any entity in history. But if he failed to deliver that message in time to his supporters so they could act accordingly, that would be unforgivable.
The Deep state might have threatened Ivanka Trump or installed Jared Kushner to give Trump bad advice. Jared is usually the one who tries to cuck Trump the most.
He has great power from his office, but more importantly from the support he's gained over the past 4 years from this MAGA movement. He needs to show he's REALLY fighting because tweets and waiting for lawyers will not do it and will end in failure. He can give us some directive and drive this thing home just by taking a bold stand. We're still waiting.
This. If Trump can't quite do literally everything himself and erase decades of subversion from thousands of people in 4 short years, I'll also blame all of us for not joining in and helping more. If its looking like, comes the 16th or so, that Biden will get sworn in it's time for all of us to go apeshit and save the republic ourselves. People shouldn't hate on Trump though, he would be a tremendous ally.
You're getting downvoted by a few clods who think anyone who posts opinions even remotely critical of Trump are to be viewed as the enemy. This is not the case at all.
We want him to succeed as bad as anyone here, but our real allegiance is to this republic. I am on the same page with this. If Trump allows the system to swear Biden in while he walks away, this place is going to light up. And it will not be Pro-Trump anymore, just watch. That sentiment will reverberate throughout the country and people will look for new voices and leadership. He will never be able to run again.
I agree. Be he righteous or a devil, Trump must act or a real devil will emerge and take the wheel. Either way, I see blood on the streets, and the controlled opposition has initiated it. Don't think they are cowards and afraid to kill as many patriots as they can. They are bloodthirsty devils and if Trump doesn't fight back with the fire power of the Patriots immediately he will lose the advantage he now has with them. He can no longer skirt the issue. Patriots are ready to roll. He needs to say the words in no uncertain terms, "My fellow Americans, this is a call to arms. Muster at D.C. loaded for war, or the Republic dies!"
This is why I've been saying that Trump has to use the Insurrection Act if the electoral college vote doesn't go the right way. It's a legal option that he has, so if he doesn't use it, then he's seen as giving up and letting them win, and that will cost him all of his support. Even if he knows that the military won't support him (and that may be the case), he doesn't need to call on them: he can call on the militia: his people. And that would be a great benefit in a revolution. Nobody wants to be the first to act for fear that they are the only one who does. But he can provide that unity, and get everyone to act at once. That could be crucial.
This is true. A new party won't matter at this point if the leftist own the entire federal gov and media to cover for them. It will be communist tyranny 100%. If Trump couldn't stop this as president of the most powerful country in the world, then 4 more years wouldn't have made a difference in the long run anyways. The deep state would still be intact and just bide their time. The corruption has to be destroyed.
While I agree with most of what you say, I believe Trump can be perhaps even more influential if he gets screwed here. He may not be able to lead us via being the President, but he can become the leading voice of discontent about what is happening and how the system is rigged. If a billionaire can win the Presidency and still be unable to change the system, who can? He can hammer that point over and over and tell everyone we need to tear the system down. Who is going to disagree with that after all we've seen the past 4-5 years? Maybe Trump won't have the support to run again but he can certainly have a large voice in choosing the next candidate.
Hopefully he just finds a way to win now and we won't have to find out what he will do if he gets screwed.
We're beyond "candidates" in the traditional sense if Bidoof manages to steal this. Elections will be irrelevant. The next "candidate" in that case is who will be the ultraviolent dictator appointed by the angry mob to solve the problem.
Might take a few years. Might take hyperinflation. If it comes there's no America to step in and stop it this time.
If the situation does become untenable and he is unable to keep the presidency (still a big ‘if’), the role of an opposition-unifying, insurgent ex-president operating outside the system remains a very important ‘plan B’ to keep in mind. As with you, here’s hoping the current ‘plan A’ is successful.
That plan B will be a non-starter because Trump and his family will have to either leave the country, or Trump won't live long past Jan 20th. We are at a do-or-die moment, Trump gets 4 more years with the support of the people, so he can crush the deep state. Or we lose and begin the march towards becoming Venezuela 2.0.
I’m 100% behind you on that, I just feel that this long, uphill battle may see some profound moments of “two steps forward, one step back”, and I try to steel myself to that potential and what may come with it.
Religion is what you do with what you believe. It's not necessarily Theological in origin. We've just never really seen two compatible "Religions" at once, at this point in history, at least.
But, like, let's talk about Absolom's rebellion, in the Old Testament. At the time, if you listened to Absolom, he was the King of Israel. And God had told the Jews to be in submission to their king. So one could believe God and submit to the King... but do they believe Absolom? Or do they believe David, in Exile, who says HE is still the Lord's Anointed King? One could believe David, and act in support of David, and believe God, and follow God's laws correctly, and the two would not be in opposition to each other. But anyone saying that they follow both God and Absolom was wrong about one of those two- the more important of the two.
So now in the US, could one follow the Teachings of Donald Trump AND follow the Teachings of Christ? Honestly, yeah, probably. You might have to make a slight amendment here or there to something that our President has said, for instance about going after people who have wronged you, if in the event they repent of that. But if someone comes at you, Trump would be fine with you stomping his skull in, and so would Jesus, who gave you the inalienable right to defend yourself.
So following both a Theological Religion about Jesus, and a Secular Religion about following the Winning Strategies of our Greatest President who often mentioned that very same Jesus, and though imperfect claimed to also follow Him? Sounds fine to me!
I know what you mean, but I think it’s a case of Trumpism as a philosophy, and Christianity as a religion. You believe in Christ as the Lord, whilst perhaps following Trumpism like you would follow Socratic teaching, for example.
Wait Jesus gave you the inalienable right to defend yourself? I think I missed that chapter in the bible where he said when you get slapped on the cheek, to train your rifle on them.
Luke 22:36 - Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
I wouldn't say that's a passage about an inalienable right to defend yourself. Jesus goes on to say that "two swords is enough" (for a group of 11), meaning he doesn't really mean everyone should go get a sword to protect themselves. Rather it's about preparing the group for what will happen. I'd rather interpret it as the right of a group to defend itself as a whole. Turn the other cheek is pretty blatant when it comes to what to do in individual cases.
Turn the other cheek is about insult, though. One would insult a man by striking with the back of the hand. To offer the other cheek by turning would put it in a position where to strike it, you'd need a clenched fist. It says, simultaneously, "Okay, you're a brute, so go ahead and assault me, proving me the better man," and also " You hit like a bitch, I can take a REAL hit. "
You don't turn the other cheek when someone is actually attacking you.
"You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
Matthew 5:38–42
And
"But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them"
Nobody is celebrating CNN being #1. We're celebrating conservatives leaving traitorous neocon Fox and moving to better alternatives like OAN, RSBN, and Epoch Times.
Ok, so if you are on the inside, what is going to happen?
Because right now it just looks like cruise control to Biden inauguration. It will need something truly massive to halt that process and hand it to Trump.
Contested election Jan 6th. Thats why Trump need you in DC. Once Pence is unable to get any candidate to 270 electoral votes (due to litigation, dueling electoral, fraud, etc...), the election goes to state reps to decide, which are mostly republican. Simple majority decides electors for their state. With 10m maga folks outside congress the Republicans will back trump and trump will win.
He has been faithful to Trump so far, but he’s an establishment rule-following guy through and through. I’m also unclear on the exact legal standing of whether it’s even possible for him to choose electors if states have already verified Biden electors, despite sending both.
If you what you're seeing is cruise control right into Biden town you're either not paying attention or walking around blindfolded. I haven't had a doubt in my mind since November 8th... 2016...
Well maybe I’m not paying enough attention. But all MSM makes it sound inevitable. Every court case so far refused or thrown out. SCOTUS won’t touch it and have refused the opportunity twice already. The people in control of the key states like MI and PA are strongly pro-Biden. Trumps own DOJ, FBI and everybody else won’t even support him.
So yeah, I’m finding it pretty hard to see any major upset coming that will change the course. But of course Trump has surprised us plenty of times before.
And I don’t want to hear more talk about what we’re going to do.
Here's what you do:
Scroll up the screen. In the right-hand corner of the red bar, you'll see a little icon that looks like a box with an arrow pointing out of it. If you click on that, then the little "x" in the tab for this website, you won't see one more word about any of this.
The GOP is stupid to stab President Trump in the back. There are millions of people that are never going to donate to them ever again, and never going to vote for them ever again. And even more so they'll be actively campaigning against the GOP, tearing them down and dragging their name through the mud. Like make no mistake, the MAGA people will not be silent if Trump loses.
I think the GOP doesn’t fully appreciate this. They will try to drum up lots of fear about Biden and Kamala. They’ll run the usual lines about guns, abortion etc, which is usually what motivates conservatives into voting Republican. But hopefully Republican voters remember that the GOP totally screwed them. We had an amazing opportunity from 2016-18, but Ryan, McConnel, McCain and the others simply didn’t want to MAGA.
This is exactly why we're needed in DC on Jan 6th. We must display crazy numbers in terrible weather conditions amidst a pandemic in order to show the Republicans that they'll be losing their base if they don't vote trump
When I see those youtube commercials of Fag Crenshaw the one eyed cock sucker asking for me to donate to republiCANTs I get so pissed off. Almost as bad as seeing Stacy abrams fat face.
I don't think they care about votes, or money. They have Dominion for the former, and payoffs and corruption for the latter. They need to be given another reason to care.
Fox needs to fire a LOT of people, make a public apology and then MAYBE 20% of their audience that left will return. They really bit the hand that fed them with that Arizona called early bullshit
They should but they won't. They have been on a track of hiring a ton of commies and shit like Donna Brazile and they still haven't fired Juan Williams.
Well the populist left is also phony. If their shitty candidate had won the election fair and square, many of us here would be furious anyway despite our hatred of their politics. We would be incensed and angry as hell that our republic would elect a faggot asshole like Bernie Sanders, but we would still believe in the enforcement of the constitution and will be ready to march with those lefties. A temporary truce, but we cannot allow the republic to be subverted by the fucking elitists. There would be irony in the fact that Bernie is himself an elitist, but if that were truly the will of the people, to elect that piece of shit, then that’s the will of the people. If these leftists believed at all in even half of what they say they believe, they would be prepared to side with us.
People cling to the paradigm they know. Not for nothing did the animals in George Orwell's story say, "But if Farmer Jones is not here to feed us, we shall starve!"
And that isn't the only thing that is collapsing. I don't think anyone visits their website anymore either. I know I haven't surfed to Faux News since November 3rd.
right-wing media caught on pretty quickly that if you piss off Trump supporters your careers over, remember what happened to Glenn Beck after he said to vote for Hillary Clinton, completely destroyed him. After that, only people who were nobody's already were committed to being never trumpers, people like Ben Shapiro had to hide how much they hated Trump.
Is Catturd and alt account for Scott Adams? I always thought the Catturd character seemed something out of Dilbert cartoon. I find myself agreeing with Catturd most of the time.
The Show is not over. We are lucky to be even invited. Sidney Powell was assigned to investigate Voter Fraud in the White House a week ago and is checking the list twice as I am convinced that this is one lady straight from hell's door that will be shredding and dicing all the Swamp Creatures with absolutely no remorse. She has never caught me as having a "Good" side for Scum. The Show is on. Look for the next two weeks culminating in the Jan 4-6 DC Rally to be the GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH. Say your prayers and light some short hairs as this is going to be an INFERNO.
"They barely have 3 shows in the top 50 now and CNN and MSNBC is destroying them." I call that a good start. It's time for the next two to fail. In particular I want to see Brian Stelter selling pencils in Times Square during a blizzard.
The question is who the f*ck still watching fake news CNN and MSNBC? They offer zero entertainment value and even less for real news. All of these traitorous lowlifes are paid to deceive, and not to inform, the public.
The faggotry of FOX has been going on for years. Matter of fact I destroyed a television and called my cable company screaming at them over their censorship of Ron Paul at a debate.
I stopped watching television completely after that.
For years elitists have been trying to control us by controlling information and knowledge. Information in the media, information inherent in voting, information via indoctrination in the schools, even information inherent in the value of money. They are losing control very quickly. Controlling people by controlling information is a lot less bloody, messy, and costly then by controlling people via direct physical force. But I feel that once the information controls fail, they may resort to direct force. Hopefully, for all our sake, they are not stupid enough to take on 75+ million Americans who have gun rights, but we'll see.
There does need to be contingents on standby in a perfect world. Since this is unscripted and unrehearsed for all of us we have to make do. The point of this is a show of power at this point. Make no mistake if this escalates we have to form up and plan better. Doing it at this point makes us conspirators and easy to trace then neutralize. Our numbers ,randomness offer us a measure of protection right now. If the gloves come off and the last semblance of rule of law are gone then getting together into a coherent force becomes imperative.
If there are police barricades everywhere WHAT should the strategy be? Do patriots confront police and FORCE their way through to where THEY want to go--or remained corralled in the police designated areas (probably a mile away).
OK, but when absolutely nothing happens on January 6, and there’s very little resistance to the police, I want to see video of what you did tough guy. You people have threatened, for more than three years, to fight back against the deep state and I’ve seen zero evidence that anyone’s going to do a damn thing.
Patriots swore up and down that when BLM came to their town or city, they would leave in body bags. Well I guess there were ZERO CONSERVATIVES in any of the towns and cities that burned down.
That must be an amazing coincidence, according to you, an astonishing coincidence that there was zero tough talking Trump supporters in any of those towns or cities! How astonishing, what an astronomically small likelihood! But that’s what you expect me to believe.
Hell, Kyle Rittenhouse tweeted pro BLM crap on his Twitter before showing up to do his part in keeping everyone safe. So I wouldn’t exactly throw him in the conservative camp.
You are all talk. All of you. Talk talk talk talk talk. Just like Sidney Powell, just like Lin Wood, release the kraken, no BLM in my town!!!!! talk talk talk talk talk.
Talk talk talk talk talk talk talk
Oh WhAt hAve YOU donE, thEN?
More than you have. But I’m also not talking shit. You are. Put up or shut up.
Tanks would be one of the worst moves the leftists could ever take, as it would validate everything said about them to the people who AREN'T coming on the 6th. And I reckon that'd be millions.
Actually flights are selling out - I already booked mine but have been watching the site of the airline I use, the number of flights we can take are getting smaller and smaller lol. My cousin is also flying in (different airline, different location) and now has to go the day before she was planning since the flights the day she wanted was all sold out. You'll be surprised I think. What I think you're seeing is that many aren't staying downtown. They're staying outside DC and plan on commuting in.
Agreed, it’s astonishingly stupid. But what do we expect from people who believe every single rumor put in front of them, and eat it like a hungry dog grabbing a sausage from a plate.
But I wouldn’t worry about it. We’ve seen, for the last four years, that conservatives in general are tough talkers who do absolutely nothing about anything. They even make excuses for why their own leaders do nothing. No arrests. No fighting back. Nothing from laptops, hard drives, people caught spying on the president’s campaign, nothing happened to anyone and people here excuse it. EXCUSE IT!
Remember? It’s all part of some plan, no need to get riled up, they even get mad at people who are demanding action! If that doesn’t spell yellow bellied pussy I don’t know what does!
I think it’s time to face facts than most conservatives are pussies. It’s heartbreaking but we’ve got pussies on our team.
Things would only get worse. I don't know what Trump's actual plan is but Trump is at a tight corner and he should follow his instincts. the politicians and political elite would come after him despite him being a business elite.
Q killed us but the biggest problem we had was the grifters who manipulated and tried to influence this movement.
With all due respect, when people rightly organize into militias as outlined in the Constitution it doesn't really matter what anyone -- yes, even a former marine -- says if they're not willing to go hot "because muh outnumbered".
If you are willing to fight against the population that is standing up against the rigging of an election at all levels then you're the problem and need to get out of the country, period, at any cost.
When the founders fought, they fought against one of the greatest forces the world has ever seen.
If we fight, we split the greatest forces the world has today to do so, and drawing a line in the sand once and for all is important for the future.
It sounds to me like you were never taught "better dead than red", despite being a "former marine". You seem to embrace it for this country, as demoralizing people is tantamount to accepting the presidency of a verified Chinese asset.
My main concern is the laws in DC. I think that two million ARMED patriots, sitting in Virginia is way more influential than three million unarmed patriots having BBQs on the lawn of the Washington monument.
I think it speaks volumes that you pull that shit instead of arguing against his points.
I don’t completely agree with him, but he does bring up some good points. But that’s OK, you’ve got a snarky empty response. That’ll win the Civil War.
Trump's base consists of most American's that vote despite what fake news would have you believe. Glad to see these traitors fall from the position they were put in BY US.
They don't worry about that, they have Dominion.
Not when we’re done they won’t!
One more day closer to war.
I'm kind of resigned to it now.
Still hopeful Trump has an ace up his sleeve but we haven't had good news in weeks.
Situations like this are why our founders put in the 2nd Amendment and spelled out our duty if this situation occurred.
Time to reset them all.
Great Reset. Globalists or Patriots. Take your pill.
Careful with that type of language, you'll have me choking because I've tried to simultaneously cram dozens of Patriot pills down my throat and up my ass at the same time.
All the Globohomo pushing for a “great reset” have no idea what they are about to get.
Klaus
Yep, start from scratch. We must throughly out and gut the Beijing Bought Bureaucracy as our Founding Fathers throughly outed the Loyalists to the King’s putrid policies.
Before you gut the Beijing bought bureaucracy, you might want to gut the Establishment bought bureaucracy, and even the RINOs for that matter.
Your real enemies are at home. If you defeat them, the rest will take care of itself.
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The real good news are the ancestors you pleased along the way
Oftentimes no news is good news. I will admit I’m getting anxious but I’m holding my head up.
A lot can happen in the two weeks before Jan 6. All I know is ya gotta show up!
I certainly will. I’m all squared away with my tickets and will make the trip from San Diego.
People forget we’re obligated to fix this if government won’t. It is written
The brave soldier Micah Johnson taught us that one soldier can subdue 5 of them. We don’t need to do the same but there is power in a unified show of force. Whoever controls the violence gets compliance. That compliance can be attained most of the time without firing a single shot.
Plus it took 26 of them to bring in Roger Stone.
RIGHT?!! Hopefully it's just trolls or not understanding the post
Done? Maybe we should start first.
But Newsmax would never lie to us...that $1M donation to the Clinton Foundation was just a one time thing (donated over 2 installments)!
Yeah, let’s win a battle before we start congratulating each other.
start with the Q-tard LARPers powell and wood. they are WORTHLESS and the only thing they accomplished was make millions of dollars for themselves by swindling MAGA people by tricking them that them two are doing anything when they have done NOTHING.
Powell sucks so much ass that her Kraken source is some beta LARPer who was in reality an Army mechanic and he never ever served in the 305th In the intel group and he flunked every single intel related exam, LMFAO.
https://www.radio.com/connectingvets/news/origins-of-the-conspiracy-of-the-305th-military-intel-batt
Powell at the very least was a respected lawyer with an incredibly high success rate. Lin Wood got CNN to settle a lawsuit with a teenager. I don’t particularly trust them at this point but I see no reason why these people would completely burn their careers and reputation over this. Money? Doubt it. They would become some of the most hated and harassed people on this planet if they turn out to be completely full of shit. Not that it’s impossible, but I’m not counting them out yet.
I don't know why, but Lin Wood might well be in the process of burning his reputation and career. Yesterday, he tweeted that overnight, Trump was going to start his offensive. It might take a couple of days to be sure, but by Monday, we'll know if that was true or not. And if it isn't, then Lin Wood has gone full clown: completely with makeup, rubber nose, colored wig, and clown shoes.
Stop the Planet of the Apes, I want to get off!
I haven't seen any reason to doubt Sidney. She and Linn have contributed a lot of good energy to the MAGA movement.
It's Christmas and we should be lifting each other up before battle instead of sowing discord.
Would General Flynn call Powell a LARP?
I've never seen someone on our side trust the media so much
Agreed! The age of Dominion Voting is OVER.
We have dominion now
Trump the prophet? He's certainly been making some predictions
Not heard of that, any links?
Thankyou, that's pretty amazing.
And Trump picked up the jawbone of an ass and slew thousands ---
And he might be getting ready to flip some tables on the money changers.
No he won’t if Democrats continue to walk all over us while he is in charge. He has a tremendous, tremendous amount of support. That will erode very quickly if Biden is sworn in. We have a lot of patience but this isn’t about one man, it is about our republic. If he failed to protect the election process in the four years he had in office, and Biden is sworn in, and Trump steps aside, watch what happens to his ability to lead.
Remember, we are diehard Trump supporters here, the majority of the nation is not as intensely in his corner as we are. They will see his failure to protect the office, to prevent lockdowns, to punish the deep state, his failure to punish spies and traitors, they will see all of these things and decide to look for someone else. Frankly, at this point, I don’t blame them. I am loyal to the republic first, then to Trump. If I think even for an instant that someone else can do a better job that is who I will support. The republic is more important than one man.
This is an accurate statement. He finishes what he started and becomes legend for centuries, or he goes down with the movement and is erased from history and remembered as someone who didn't finish and blinked when he looked eye to eye with the deep state commies.
He's literally one guy fighting thousands of evil people. I think it was a miracle he was elected in the first place, and to be quite honest the job of making our government accountable to THE PEOPLE again may fall on... We The People.
You are right. But he alone wields the power of the movement and the presidency. He took on the deep state and I'm glad he did. But he can't leave us with it to decide how we move forward. We're ready to defend him and this country, but the action needs his blessing as does the movement.
It wouldn’t even be shocking if POTUs got “outmaneuvered” by the Deep State- they are global and more powerful than any entity in history. But if he failed to deliver that message in time to his supporters so they could act accordingly, that would be unforgivable.
The Deep state might have threatened Ivanka Trump or installed Jared Kushner to give Trump bad advice. Jared is usually the one who tries to cuck Trump the most.
He has great power from his office, but more importantly from the support he's gained over the past 4 years from this MAGA movement. He needs to show he's REALLY fighting because tweets and waiting for lawyers will not do it and will end in failure. He can give us some directive and drive this thing home just by taking a bold stand. We're still waiting.
exactly. "stand back and stand by".. We're still standing by.
This. If Trump can't quite do literally everything himself and erase decades of subversion from thousands of people in 4 short years, I'll also blame all of us for not joining in and helping more. If its looking like, comes the 16th or so, that Biden will get sworn in it's time for all of us to go apeshit and save the republic ourselves. People shouldn't hate on Trump though, he would be a tremendous ally.
Some legends are told, some turn to dust or to gold
You're getting downvoted by a few clods who think anyone who posts opinions even remotely critical of Trump are to be viewed as the enemy. This is not the case at all. We want him to succeed as bad as anyone here, but our real allegiance is to this republic. I am on the same page with this. If Trump allows the system to swear Biden in while he walks away, this place is going to light up. And it will not be Pro-Trump anymore, just watch. That sentiment will reverberate throughout the country and people will look for new voices and leadership. He will never be able to run again.
I agree. Be he righteous or a devil, Trump must act or a real devil will emerge and take the wheel. Either way, I see blood on the streets, and the controlled opposition has initiated it. Don't think they are cowards and afraid to kill as many patriots as they can. They are bloodthirsty devils and if Trump doesn't fight back with the fire power of the Patriots immediately he will lose the advantage he now has with them. He can no longer skirt the issue. Patriots are ready to roll. He needs to say the words in no uncertain terms, "My fellow Americans, this is a call to arms. Muster at D.C. loaded for war, or the Republic dies!"
this^^^^^^
This is why I've been saying that Trump has to use the Insurrection Act if the electoral college vote doesn't go the right way. It's a legal option that he has, so if he doesn't use it, then he's seen as giving up and letting them win, and that will cost him all of his support. Even if he knows that the military won't support him (and that may be the case), he doesn't need to call on them: he can call on the militia: his people. And that would be a great benefit in a revolution. Nobody wants to be the first to act for fear that they are the only one who does. But he can provide that unity, and get everyone to act at once. That could be crucial.
This is true. A new party won't matter at this point if the leftist own the entire federal gov and media to cover for them. It will be communist tyranny 100%. If Trump couldn't stop this as president of the most powerful country in the world, then 4 more years wouldn't have made a difference in the long run anyways. The deep state would still be intact and just bide their time. The corruption has to be destroyed.
While I agree with most of what you say, I believe Trump can be perhaps even more influential if he gets screwed here. He may not be able to lead us via being the President, but he can become the leading voice of discontent about what is happening and how the system is rigged. If a billionaire can win the Presidency and still be unable to change the system, who can? He can hammer that point over and over and tell everyone we need to tear the system down. Who is going to disagree with that after all we've seen the past 4-5 years? Maybe Trump won't have the support to run again but he can certainly have a large voice in choosing the next candidate.
Hopefully he just finds a way to win now and we won't have to find out what he will do if he gets screwed.
We're beyond "candidates" in the traditional sense if Bidoof manages to steal this. Elections will be irrelevant. The next "candidate" in that case is who will be the ultraviolent dictator appointed by the angry mob to solve the problem.
Might take a few years. Might take hyperinflation. If it comes there's no America to step in and stop it this time.
I agree. I hope Trump will prevail.
If the situation does become untenable and he is unable to keep the presidency (still a big ‘if’), the role of an opposition-unifying, insurgent ex-president operating outside the system remains a very important ‘plan B’ to keep in mind. As with you, here’s hoping the current ‘plan A’ is successful.
That plan B will be a non-starter because Trump and his family will have to either leave the country, or Trump won't live long past Jan 20th. We are at a do-or-die moment, Trump gets 4 more years with the support of the people, so he can crush the deep state. Or we lose and begin the march towards becoming Venezuela 2.0.
I’m 100% behind you on that, I just feel that this long, uphill battle may see some profound moments of “two steps forward, one step back”, and I try to steel myself to that potential and what may come with it.
Religion is what you do with what you believe. It's not necessarily Theological in origin. We've just never really seen two compatible "Religions" at once, at this point in history, at least.
But, like, let's talk about Absolom's rebellion, in the Old Testament. At the time, if you listened to Absolom, he was the King of Israel. And God had told the Jews to be in submission to their king. So one could believe God and submit to the King... but do they believe Absolom? Or do they believe David, in Exile, who says HE is still the Lord's Anointed King? One could believe David, and act in support of David, and believe God, and follow God's laws correctly, and the two would not be in opposition to each other. But anyone saying that they follow both God and Absolom was wrong about one of those two- the more important of the two.
So now in the US, could one follow the Teachings of Donald Trump AND follow the Teachings of Christ? Honestly, yeah, probably. You might have to make a slight amendment here or there to something that our President has said, for instance about going after people who have wronged you, if in the event they repent of that. But if someone comes at you, Trump would be fine with you stomping his skull in, and so would Jesus, who gave you the inalienable right to defend yourself.
So following both a Theological Religion about Jesus, and a Secular Religion about following the Winning Strategies of our Greatest President who often mentioned that very same Jesus, and though imperfect claimed to also follow Him? Sounds fine to me!
I know what you mean, but I think it’s a case of Trumpism as a philosophy, and Christianity as a religion. You believe in Christ as the Lord, whilst perhaps following Trumpism like you would follow Socratic teaching, for example.
Wait Jesus gave you the inalienable right to defend yourself? I think I missed that chapter in the bible where he said when you get slapped on the cheek, to train your rifle on them.
Luke 22:36 - Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
I wouldn't say that's a passage about an inalienable right to defend yourself. Jesus goes on to say that "two swords is enough" (for a group of 11), meaning he doesn't really mean everyone should go get a sword to protect themselves. Rather it's about preparing the group for what will happen. I'd rather interpret it as the right of a group to defend itself as a whole. Turn the other cheek is pretty blatant when it comes to what to do in individual cases.
Turn the other cheek is about insult, though. One would insult a man by striking with the back of the hand. To offer the other cheek by turning would put it in a position where to strike it, you'd need a clenched fist. It says, simultaneously, "Okay, you're a brute, so go ahead and assault me, proving me the better man," and also " You hit like a bitch, I can take a REAL hit. "
You don't turn the other cheek when someone is actually attacking you.
It doesn't sound that way to me:
"You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."
Matthew 5:38–42
And
"But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them"
Luke 6:27–31
Denomination is not out of bounds.
Let us bask in his glorious, orange light!
Don't let your memes become dream
GOD EMPEROR!
Well not totallyt right, CNN or MSNBC isnt destroying nobody, Fox just lost its base, they didnt go to CNN and MSNBC :)
That and we shouldn't be celebrating CNN or anybody else gaining. That would only make things worse.
OAN needs to beat Fox. I'm paying for a subscription once the klowd.tv promo ends in a few days
I've been paying for a subscription. It's $5 a month. Totally worth it
I believe it's free on Pluto TV, so is Newsmax
They didn’t gain, the entire curve shifted left.
Did CNN gain, or did they simply go up in ratings with the same viewers just because less people watched Fox to tip the scale?
the latter I am sure
Nobody is celebrating CNN being #1. We're celebrating conservatives leaving traitorous neocon Fox and moving to better alternatives like OAN, RSBN, and Epoch Times.
we are celebrating the death of ALL MSM
Indeed. We must remember that not only does the MSM lie to us, but to the rest of the world as well.
Enemy of the people? Enemy of all people.
Hell yeah.
Are they really gaining, or is it just that the people who happened to be above them dropped further down the hole than they were?
I was reading some news ratings data that said tucker was still top. The worst fox performer was Martha McCallum, but when wasn’t that the case?
we gave the most popular and effective president, in US history, the most votes in US history.
we have other pedes across the globe wanting to vote for him too!
people in hongkong and taiwan and japan and ireland and britain and canada, all wearing maga hats.
but somehow, biden beat him AND beat 0bama!?
lol. just, lol.
Forgot India. I think his turnout for India on that one visit was bigger than any US event he had. It was like 100k people.
true
if flynn walking free?
lol.
i was told sidney powell was a do-nothing larper...
my sides.
full confession: im in defense. most my peers are in defense.
all we do is work with defense people. all branches.
its funny to come here and hear the doomers talk like they know shit.
like theyve seen shit.
its COMEDY.
the only thing GEOTUS wont do is allow us to openly execute traitors.
which, to me and mine, will be greatest tragedy of our lives.
you think theres a bullet shortage as a coincidence?
my sides.
Ok, so if you are on the inside, what is going to happen?
Because right now it just looks like cruise control to Biden inauguration. It will need something truly massive to halt that process and hand it to Trump.
Contested election Jan 6th. Thats why Trump need you in DC. Once Pence is unable to get any candidate to 270 electoral votes (due to litigation, dueling electoral, fraud, etc...), the election goes to state reps to decide, which are mostly republican. Simple majority decides electors for their state. With 10m maga folks outside congress the Republicans will back trump and trump will win.
I have close to zero faith of Pence doing that
He has been faithful to Trump so far, but he’s an establishment rule-following guy through and through. I’m also unclear on the exact legal standing of whether it’s even possible for him to choose electors if states have already verified Biden electors, despite sending both.
im not on the 'inside' per se. but i know what me and mine make.
and its all the bad shit. kill people in the night sort of shit.
if you heard the talk amongst my peers.
lotta folks just want to put a deep hurting on dems.
scary sort of talk.
i just keep my nose down and listen.
it 'looks like cruise control' because the tech oligarchs and msm have every
incentive to make it look like that...
so if say, there were a group of people. making all the bad stuff...
and they were anxious to go to war over it...
and they basically control and store all that shit...
well... honestly. does it matter anymore?
imo, they are all one-moment away from mcveigh.
imagine if it was bigger and more coordinated... with drones...
sorry. its all just comical to me.
i know pedes here are serious. but its hard for me.
If you what you're seeing is cruise control right into Biden town you're either not paying attention or walking around blindfolded. I haven't had a doubt in my mind since November 8th... 2016...
Well maybe I’m not paying enough attention. But all MSM makes it sound inevitable. Every court case so far refused or thrown out. SCOTUS won’t touch it and have refused the opportunity twice already. The people in control of the key states like MI and PA are strongly pro-Biden. Trumps own DOJ, FBI and everybody else won’t even support him.
So yeah, I’m finding it pretty hard to see any major upset coming that will change the course. But of course Trump has surprised us plenty of times before.
ive shown folks on here, photos from the inside campus of secure
facilities and they STILL say im larping. like. oooohk.
lol. like it fucking matters any more.
i got mine; for me and mine. you dont have yours?
well. spend the rest of your life saying everyone is a larp.
my sides.
lol what a joke.
lose twice; straight to ad-hominems.
tell your mom i say hello!
Here's what you do:
Scroll up the screen. In the right-hand corner of the red bar, you'll see a little icon that looks like a box with an arrow pointing out of it. If you click on that, then the little "x" in the tab for this website, you won't see one more word about any of this.
Speak for yourself faggot, maybe YOU won't do shit, don't project your weakness onto the rest of us
Fox News is just Blue CNN!
EXACTLY! WE HAVE POWER AND INFLUENCE. KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT ALONE.
80 MILLION +
and 500 millions worldwide
We need to Fight For Trump on Jan 6th!!
The GOP is stupid to stab President Trump in the back. There are millions of people that are never going to donate to them ever again, and never going to vote for them ever again. And even more so they'll be actively campaigning against the GOP, tearing them down and dragging their name through the mud. Like make no mistake, the MAGA people will not be silent if Trump loses.
I think the GOP doesn’t fully appreciate this. They will try to drum up lots of fear about Biden and Kamala. They’ll run the usual lines about guns, abortion etc, which is usually what motivates conservatives into voting Republican. But hopefully Republican voters remember that the GOP totally screwed them. We had an amazing opportunity from 2016-18, but Ryan, McConnel, McCain and the others simply didn’t want to MAGA.
This is exactly why we're needed in DC on Jan 6th. We must display crazy numbers in terrible weather conditions amidst a pandemic in order to show the Republicans that they'll be losing their base if they don't vote trump
The GOP will fall 10 times faster than Fox did.
When I see those youtube commercials of Fag Crenshaw the one eyed cock sucker asking for me to donate to republiCANTs I get so pissed off. Almost as bad as seeing Stacy abrams fat face.
The GOP is dead to me. We will form a new party in this country.
I don't think they care about votes, or money. They have Dominion for the former, and payoffs and corruption for the latter. They need to be given another reason to care.
This is why Trump needs us in DC on Dec 6th!!
Username relevant
If the tea party had power, MAGA is a juggernaut compared to them. "Power" is an understatement here
Tea party was like the fetus of MAGA and now we are all full grown chads that are a force to reckon with.
And we don't have Obama weaponizing the IRS against us like they did
Fox needs to fire a LOT of people, make a public apology and then MAYBE 20% of their audience that left will return. They really bit the hand that fed them with that Arizona called early bullshit
They should but they won't. They have been on a track of hiring a ton of commies and shit like Donna Brazile and they still haven't fired Juan Williams.
Majority of Republicans in office are trying their hardest not to believe this is the case, but it is. Sucks for them, but oh well.
POPULISM WILL RISE. ON BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT AND THERES NOTHING THE ESTABLISHMENT CAN DO ABOUT IT.
Agree. No idea why populism is so unpopular to the average joe
It really isnt unpopular. It's jus two fractured groups, the populist left is socialist and the populist right is more civic nationalists.
Well the populist left is also phony. If their shitty candidate had won the election fair and square, many of us here would be furious anyway despite our hatred of their politics. We would be incensed and angry as hell that our republic would elect a faggot asshole like Bernie Sanders, but we would still believe in the enforcement of the constitution and will be ready to march with those lefties. A temporary truce, but we cannot allow the republic to be subverted by the fucking elitists. There would be irony in the fact that Bernie is himself an elitist, but if that were truly the will of the people, to elect that piece of shit, then that’s the will of the people. If these leftists believed at all in even half of what they say they believe, they would be prepared to side with us.
If the left were populist in any way, shape or form they wouldn't be cheering everything the world throws at us or our president
People cling to the paradigm they know. Not for nothing did the animals in George Orwell's story say, "But if Farmer Jones is not here to feed us, we shall starve!"
If that happens I could even see an unstable alliance between the right and the leftards to overthrow the gov and having even more battles.
is Trump ready to become a fascist? There is no reason he might not become one especially when the Politicians are actively subversive
Yeah. Trump needs to take action and stop tweeting about action.
fuck rand paul. he is totally not gonna do anything on 1/6
And that isn't the only thing that is collapsing. I don't think anyone visits their website anymore either. I know I haven't surfed to Faux News since November 3rd.
Fox News worked very, very hard to be in this predicament. They deserve every single bit of it.
Trump wants to win though, he would never run with the option of definitely losing as a 3rd party.
right-wing media caught on pretty quickly that if you piss off Trump supporters your careers over, remember what happened to Glenn Beck after he said to vote for Hillary Clinton, completely destroyed him. After that, only people who were nobody's already were committed to being never trumpers, people like Ben Shapiro had to hide how much they hated Trump.
There’s a bunch of people in the US who are interested in not letting it become a shithole?
WHO KNEW?! /s
Thanks for the encouraging observation Scott.
Is Catturd and alt account for Scott Adams? I always thought the Catturd character seemed something out of Dilbert cartoon. I find myself agreeing with Catturd most of the time.
Fuck fox
Traitors
MUH FUCKING TIMELINE WHEN CATTURD IS RIGHT
Dunno what you're talking about. He and the cat Rusty Shackleford both post high quality stuff all the time.
I'm pointing out how dumb it is that we get relevant info from somebody who goes by the name catturd.
When the left boycotts someone, their profits go up.
When MAGA boycotts someone, they're ruined.
some really dumb fuckers at that place
"hey, they are coming over from fox in droves because fox fucked around and found out! let's also fuck around and find out!"
lol
retards
I quit watching Fox before it was cool
The Show is not over. We are lucky to be even invited. Sidney Powell was assigned to investigate Voter Fraud in the White House a week ago and is checking the list twice as I am convinced that this is one lady straight from hell's door that will be shredding and dicing all the Swamp Creatures with absolutely no remorse. She has never caught me as having a "Good" side for Scum. The Show is on. Look for the next two weeks culminating in the Jan 4-6 DC Rally to be the GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH. Say your prayers and light some short hairs as this is going to be an INFERNO.
"They barely have 3 shows in the top 50 now and CNN and MSNBC is destroying them." I call that a good start. It's time for the next two to fail. In particular I want to see Brian Stelter selling pencils in Times Square during a blizzard.
The question is who the f*ck still watching fake news CNN and MSNBC? They offer zero entertainment value and even less for real news. All of these traitorous lowlifes are paid to deceive, and not to inform, the public.
The faggotry of FOX has been going on for years. Matter of fact I destroyed a television and called my cable company screaming at them over their censorship of Ron Paul at a debate.
I stopped watching television completely after that.
They lost 40% of their viewership--yuge!
Haven't touched their channel since election night and haven't eaten Chick-fil-a or watched any sports.
Good.
For years elitists have been trying to control us by controlling information and knowledge. Information in the media, information inherent in voting, information via indoctrination in the schools, even information inherent in the value of money. They are losing control very quickly. Controlling people by controlling information is a lot less bloody, messy, and costly then by controlling people via direct physical force. But I feel that once the information controls fail, they may resort to direct force. Hopefully, for all our sake, they are not stupid enough to take on 75+ million Americans who have gun rights, but we'll see.
One America 🇺🇸 News (OAN)!!! ...and I never trusted newsmax...
I dunno why we are going to DC.... We should be going to CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc...
There does need to be contingents on standby in a perfect world. Since this is unscripted and unrehearsed for all of us we have to make do. The point of this is a show of power at this point. Make no mistake if this escalates we have to form up and plan better. Doing it at this point makes us conspirators and easy to trace then neutralize. Our numbers ,randomness offer us a measure of protection right now. If the gloves come off and the last semblance of rule of law are gone then getting together into a coherent force becomes imperative.
Trump asked us to be there. If Trump asks we need to do it.
If there are police barricades everywhere WHAT should the strategy be? Do patriots confront police and FORCE their way through to where THEY want to go--or remained corralled in the police designated areas (probably a mile away).
Your first answer was right. Confront the police and force their way through. The "blue" have no problem letting Antifa and BLM burn places down.
OK, but when absolutely nothing happens on January 6, and there’s very little resistance to the police, I want to see video of what you did tough guy. You people have threatened, for more than three years, to fight back against the deep state and I’ve seen zero evidence that anyone’s going to do a damn thing.
Patriots swore up and down that when BLM came to their town or city, they would leave in body bags. Well I guess there were ZERO CONSERVATIVES in any of the towns and cities that burned down.
That must be an amazing coincidence, according to you, an astonishing coincidence that there was zero tough talking Trump supporters in any of those towns or cities! How astonishing, what an astronomically small likelihood! But that’s what you expect me to believe.
Hell, Kyle Rittenhouse tweeted pro BLM crap on his Twitter before showing up to do his part in keeping everyone safe. So I wouldn’t exactly throw him in the conservative camp.
You are all talk. All of you. Talk talk talk talk talk. Just like Sidney Powell, just like Lin Wood, release the kraken, no BLM in my town!!!!! talk talk talk talk talk.
Talk talk talk talk talk talk talk
Oh WhAt hAve YOU donE, thEN?
More than you have. But I’m also not talking shit. You are. Put up or shut up.
Oh, well, since you say so, we'll just believe you blindly. Lead us, O mighty leader.
lmao all you're doing is talking shit, you're just doing so in a way that makes you a useful divide & conquer idiot
Reckon they'll rock up with TANKS?...like the State did with Tiananmen Square
Tanks would be one of the worst moves the leftists could ever take, as it would validate everything said about them to the people who AREN'T coming on the 6th. And I reckon that'd be millions.
They'd stage it to look like a terrorist attack--and tanks saved the day.
Remember what happened after the Boston Massacre?
1776 remembahs.
shill
Actually flights are selling out - I already booked mine but have been watching the site of the airline I use, the number of flights we can take are getting smaller and smaller lol. My cousin is also flying in (different airline, different location) and now has to go the day before she was planning since the flights the day she wanted was all sold out. You'll be surprised I think. What I think you're seeing is that many aren't staying downtown. They're staying outside DC and plan on commuting in.
Honestly, I don't think anybody should enter "DC" until the shit actually hits the fan.
Let alone all the arrests for the people that think it's a good idea to go INTO DC armed.......
And people wanna tell me I'm too YOUNG on this website to have an opinion.
Agreed, it’s astonishingly stupid. But what do we expect from people who believe every single rumor put in front of them, and eat it like a hungry dog grabbing a sausage from a plate.
But I wouldn’t worry about it. We’ve seen, for the last four years, that conservatives in general are tough talkers who do absolutely nothing about anything. They even make excuses for why their own leaders do nothing. No arrests. No fighting back. Nothing from laptops, hard drives, people caught spying on the president’s campaign, nothing happened to anyone and people here excuse it. EXCUSE IT!
Remember? It’s all part of some plan, no need to get riled up, they even get mad at people who are demanding action! If that doesn’t spell yellow bellied pussy I don’t know what does!
I think it’s time to face facts than most conservatives are pussies. It’s heartbreaking but we’ve got pussies on our team.
Things would only get worse. I don't know what Trump's actual plan is but Trump is at a tight corner and he should follow his instincts. the politicians and political elite would come after him despite him being a business elite. Q killed us but the biggest problem we had was the grifters who manipulated and tried to influence this movement.
With all due respect, when people rightly organize into militias as outlined in the Constitution it doesn't really matter what anyone -- yes, even a former marine -- says if they're not willing to go hot "because muh outnumbered".
If you are willing to fight against the population that is standing up against the rigging of an election at all levels then you're the problem and need to get out of the country, period, at any cost.
When the founders fought, they fought against one of the greatest forces the world has ever seen.
If we fight, we split the greatest forces the world has today to do so, and drawing a line in the sand once and for all is important for the future.
It sounds to me like you were never taught "better dead than red", despite being a "former marine". You seem to embrace it for this country, as demoralizing people is tantamount to accepting the presidency of a verified Chinese asset.
Why would Trump allow the national guard to be used against his side?
In other words, we’re the Afghanis now.
The fact that yr an 18 day account--speaks volumes.
My main concern is the laws in DC. I think that two million ARMED patriots, sitting in Virginia is way more influential than three million unarmed patriots having BBQs on the lawn of the Washington monument.
Why not both?
Please elaborate.
I think it speaks volumes that you pull that shit instead of arguing against his points.
I don’t completely agree with him, but he does bring up some good points. But that’s OK, you’ve got a snarky empty response. That’ll win the Civil War.
So how long to bankruptcy. I want to see that place liquidated.
Don't forget how we killed Drudge in about the same timeframe.
MAGA has at least the power of 74 million Americans. AT LEAST! And I think that this is a very low estimate.
We gotta turn that power against every business, sports league and entertainment media that actively hates us. Make them fear us.
I just want to know what they were thinking, they could've been so powerful
Trump's base consists of most American's that vote despite what fake news would have you believe. Glad to see these traitors fall from the position they were put in BY US.
Paul Ryan is a cuck.
We wield a lot more power than they know. A day of reckoning is coming, and they'll have no idea how many of us there are.