posted ago by inthebreeze711
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It's the same thing whether on like FB or IRL (in this case my mom) whenever I make an assertion about fake news or anything related the other side will either resort to:
A. Passive aggressive name calling or B. "Oh you just think you know Everything..." type of response
Any yall feel me on this one?
Dismissive because they are so far behind in the race, they think they're ahead.
They usually attack the source of the information not the information. “Oh that was on breitbert so its not true”. Even if its irrefutable.
Not just politics, but when I try to discuss anything important or serious with anyone they go silent and start looking around for something else to do (zoning, snacking, looking at phone, etc.). Caring is too painful and avoidance is easy and what got us to this point.
I think there is a Mark Twain quote out there about how hard it is to convince someone they have been conned.
Yup. Even when you provide proof. THEY think that is fake news.
It is the most frustrating thing. Anything you present that isn't from an "approved" media source (to them) is just "right wing propaganda" and they stuff you are saying is fake news is NOT fake to them. So they acknowledge that news can be fake, but not if it is the source they like.
Oh, it is worse if you show them multiple articles from their preferred sources that prove to be fake, or do a complete 180. Or, show them they were wrong about whatever the fuck they are convinced they were right about.
Or, they say: well, see, as more facts emerged, they were reported. While refusing to acknowledge the end result of this, that their original fact set was wrong to begin with, as proven by their own news sources, and they double down by refusing to accept the end result as fact at all.
Then they get pissed off, refuse to call out their own sources, and stop talking to you.
Which, come to think of it, is great. Winning!
The stop talking thing is hilarious, but also a bit frustrating. It is how every election fraud conversation I have goes (with a lefty). Do you actually believe there is election fraud? it is baseless and there is no evidence. So I show them mountains of evidence. Then they say, I'm not gonna have this conversation with you, and end it lol.
Yep. I keep it short and sweet and show them how several states involved broke their own constitutions and laws. And how NY was still counting votes after they sent electors.
If they are really stupid and say there are no verified cases of voter fraud anywhere, I show them MY TWO PERSONAL CASES, one from this election and one from 2016. In AZ.
Then they stop talking to me, usually with "well then you are biased" or something equally idiotic.
yup, here is the thing. I took the allegations of Russia interference seriously. I was skeptical, but I looked at it and waited for the evidence. They never confirmed evidence. Even under oath they couldn't explain what it was. There were like 1 or 2 whistle blowers. This time around there are 1000s of affidavits, which in and of itself is more credible evidence than anything in the Russia collusion scandal. Also they BELIEVED that Russia rigged an election, but now it is impossible? It is so intellectually dishonest it hurts!
I, on the other hand, didn't take the Russia stuff seriously. I have been watching these yoyos long enough to recognize typical bullshit and how they normally frame it. I did watch for evidence, and I had a hat ready to eat if any substantive evidence emerged.
This time, totally different. November 3rd they declared open war when they stopped the count. I recognized that and have acted accordingly since November 4th. I suspected they were gearing up when I saw so many states openly setting up for illegal elections, but I was still dumbfounded when they actually did it and doubled down on it.
But unlike a lot of people, I have been watching the advance of this war for over 3 decades (it started in the early 1900s, long before I was born). I have been watching and fighting since the late 1970s. Whole time everyone has teased me about my massive tin foil hat collection. Now at least the people in my immediate social circle realize I am right lol. And people here are coming to the realization that no matter what happens Jan 20, we are in deep shit.
I took it seriously just in the sense that it was a big allegation and if there was evidence it is bad. The difference is I was willing to look at the information they were willing to provide, they just couldn't provide any. I think the left should approach this the same way, but they aren't..they are just burying their heads in the sand or putting their fingers in their ears yelling LALALALALALA!
Exactly. That logic makes my big brain hurt.
Yep. If you want to really have fun, dig deep in their preferred news sources. Follow all links back to primary source if possible (great if it lands on a government site).
Quite frequently, when you track back to the primary source, you can show them their own preferred news source is misquoting, taking quotes out of context, using outdated/ superseded information, or was later debunked by other parts of their favorite news sources. best case scenario you can show them their preferred news sources are outright lying about what the primary source says. Or you will find 2 different preferred news sources reporting two different "fact sets" on the same thing, from the same sources.
Then they get pissed and stop talking to you, generally after becoming extremely verbally abusive.
I always get the "thats a debunked right-wing conspiracy theory" or my favorite "stop watching Faux News"
Right!!
I argued at length with an acquaintance on Facebook regarding gun control. Since there is no logical argument for gun control, I cut her off at every turn and provided hard statistics from neutral sources where she provided none.
At the end, she said, "I just feel we need stricter gun laws."
I found out from a third party that she disdainfully referred to me as "The Debate King," thereafter.
Herd animals - the lot of them.