The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986—signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986—granted amnesty to about 3 million illegal immigrants in the United States.
Can't get past that. We didn't even get the wall promised from it.
Jefferson and Lincoln are better. Maybe Andrew Johnson too since HuffPost and Wiki seem to really hate him.
He was promised border security; the amnesty was supposed to be a one off. It was an era when political compromises and tradeoffs still worked a lot of the time. In fact, this renege is one of the major things that ended that era.
It was also an era where SCOTUS was ludicrously, like 7-2 or 8-1 on the Left too, don't forget. It was very hard to get anything done without getting buy in from the Left.
? AFAIK, he was against slavery (good), and wanted blacks to return to Africa so they could enjoy a life away from us, because we're obviously so 'evil' and 'oppressive'. Win win.
Maybe you're confusing him with someone else? I think there was only one Lincoln though...
Lincoln expanded the federal government's power 20 fold allowing the federal government to override any state law (think abortion and prohibition). Heck the slippery slope started when Lincoln used military force instead of persuasion to subjugate the states.
He did one without a clear plan for the other, and now our nation is burning. Besides, states have a right to leave the union. He essentially invaded and subjugated the south.
Also, Lincoln killed more Americans than any foreign dictator ever did.
Smashing Tyrant Lincoln statues is one thing I always supported Antifa in.
tbh lincoln did a lot of bad shit for the megacorps -- at the time the robber barons who did in fact manipulate him. they wanted federal power to build that railroad system (and steal peoples homes for pennies on the dollar basically by paying the federal government rather than each individual state and property owner through civil asset forfeiture, basically an early constitutional violation of no quartering in loose terms.)
however, theres a good chance he did have more plans on what to do after. you do realize he was the first major assassination right?
first off, he wanted to pull out of the south and NOT subjugate them as long as they stayed in the union, and NOT create the KKK, and NOT do what happened. he probably also wouldnt have sold the land rights to the tycoons for nothing as well.
although this is all speculation since he died before any of that happened at all.
my theory always had been that in a way, Lincoln had been a useful stooge. they gave him something genuinely good on some level to rally around, ending slavery, technological advancement of the economy and transportation. it all sounds really wonderful.
but he was nearing the end of his usefulness, which is why he was replaced after he was killed with a series of ineffectual presidents that allowed the forces that be to work as they would for a long time after he died.
there is in fact at least one timeline in the multiverse where this has happened, that lincoln lived and was actually NOT one of them -- because the very reason he was killed was not being one of them and outliving his usefulness -- becoming an obstacle rather than a tool.
Says who? They had no morally acceptable grievance. They threw a hissy fit over their guy not getting into office and we’re obsessed with keeping their disgusting and immoral gravy train.
That’s how you bring a seceded state back into the fold. It’s doubtful they’d have done it voluntarily. Definitely a lot stronger for having them back in the fold today and their reasons for secession were far from acceptable.
Remind me who started a Civil War after tearing the Union apart? It was in South Carolina where the first shots of the war were fired. By South Carolinians.
Nearly every one of their documents of secession listed slavery (specifically wanting to keep it) as the main reason for secession.
A state’s right to continue an abhorrent, heinously immoral, disgusting practice is not a valid reason for secession, nor is getting a president elected that you don’t like.
I frankly don’t care about whether what he did was “legal” or not. The laws of man are irrelevant when they violate the rights of men. The south wasn’t coming back without being forced to.
“Compromise” like we’ve done far too many times with gun control. Or border security.
He didn’t “compromise” because these people weren’t interested in compromise, they wanted appeasement. Slavery was abhorrently wrong and you cannot in good faith defend a state for seceding in defense of it (and it was about slavery, not just “state’s rights.” Because those “rights” were mainly focused around owning other people).
The victim mentality was strong with the south. Their guy didn’t make it in, and they wanted to keep their gravy train going, so they threw a major fit and seceded.
Sounds like the left to me, except the left today couldn’t secede from their Starbucks if they tried, nevermind a country.
It has been fashionable for the last couple of years to bash Reagan for his flaws. And he had flaws. He made some rather cataclysmic mistakes, but all presidents do. Washington may be the most spotless of our presidents, and even he wasn’t perfect.
We have a lot to be grateful for when it comes to Ronald Reagan.
Calipede here fuck Reagan's amnesty, you have no idea the full length of the damage that that did to the state of California
Furthermore for those of you pedes who believe in things like traditional marriage Reagan as Governor of California was the first to grace us with legalized no-fault divorce
The reason it's fashionable to bash Reagan for his flaws is because enough time has passed to see the damage they've done. I don't blame socialists in the 19th and very early 20th centuries for having their beliefs because they hadn't been aware of the damage they would cause yet, whereas socialists of today are absolutely retarded. That said, Karl Marx is still one of history's greatest monsters because of what his bullshit lead to. Maybe Ronald Reagan wasn't aware of the extent of the damage that those two things were going to cause, especially to the state that he spent most of his life living in, but I'm not going to ignore it because he did it with the best of intentions. He's a damn sight better than the folks in favor of amnesty in the current year, and people that support no-fault divorce nowadays, but the damage has been done and I'm not capable of ignoring that.
Talking about the good he did doesn't change that. I wish it did.
to play the "I actually fucking live here" card, the crime rate is based around crimes that are recorded as a matter of public record, which usually involves the police at some point deciding that a crime has taken place. any time you mention "illegal alien" or the faggot word "undocumented" they start hemming and hawwing because of their marching orders that they're not allowed to enforce laws that illegal aliens break
Now that I've actually read the article you posted however I have a very strong rebuttal to it. This line from the first paragraph
After declining in the early 1980s, the rate rose to a peak of 1,104 in 1992. Since then, violent crime has decreased substantially.
Crime is down and near historic lows all over the country, this is due largely to the 1993 Violent Crime Bill that featured a lot of insane bullshit like the AWB written by fuckwit Biden but also introduced harsher penalties for repeat offenders. This is what lead to the crime rate going down so much is that repeat offenders are the ones that cause most of the crime and a lot of them are in jail for life by now. However, the article itself states that
California’s violent crime rate increased by 1.5% in 2017 to 451 per 100,000 residents. There were also upticks in 2012 and from 2015 to 2017, but the statewide rate is still comparable to levels in the late 1960s.
Crime overall is down because of the thing I mentioned, but crime recently has been going back up. Everybody around the country has noticed it, especially this year with the jogger riots around the country. I remember very well in June receiving text alerts that county wide curfews had been established, driving down the freeway past a military base seeing convoys of national guard troops being deployed in every direction.
However now that I've said all this I need to ask the question what does all of this have to do with Ronald Reagan? Why did you bring up what you brought up? Are you trying to argue that living in California isn't a hellish experience? Do you understand that the state basically decriminalized cases of theft under 1000 dollars so any store that is still open has resorted to extreme anti-theft measures since the police will do nothing? I literally need to ask an employee at Walmart to open the cuck cage so I can buy a pair of socks.
Do you understand that the state basically decriminalized cases of theft under 1000 dollars so any store that is still open has resorted to extreme anti-theft measures since the police will do nothing?
Ah that's interesting. Maybe that explains the decrease in property crime since 1980? Or is that when they brought in the rule that they couldn't prosecute illegals?
Do violent offenders get off scott free too? Even if many are locked up for life, I would expect there to be PLENTY of remaining third worlders (and their kids) to keep the graph escalating higher and higher, which is not what we see.
I literally need to ask an employee at Walmart to open the cuck cage so I can buy a pair of socks.
Because of Covid?
Crime overall is down because of the thing I mentioned, but crime recently has been going back up. Everybody around the country has noticed it, especially this year with the jogger riots around the country.
But of course.
Are you trying to argue that living in California isn't a hellish experience?
I'd hate to live there - it looks horrendous. I was just curious why the graph was going down when there are more illegals than ever, so I would expect the graph to go up because third worlders do third worldish things.
Ah that's interesting. Maybe that explains the decrease in property crime since 1980? Or is that when they brought in the rule that they couldn't prosecute illegals? Do violent offenders get off scott free too? Even if many are locked up for life, I would expect there to be PLENTY of remaining third worlders (and their kids) to keep the graph escalating higher and higher, which is not what we see.
What I experience, granted it's anecdotal evidence, it's more along the case of this. Let's say you get into a car accident, and the police are called. The person that hit you is 100% at fault because they're a fucking idiot. They're driving without a license, and they tell you in broken english they don't have insurance. The police arrive and it's discovered this individual is an illegal alien. The police start looking a little strange and eventually they let the other person go telling you there's nothing that they can do and they share some platitude about hoping your insurance covers the damage. It doesn't. Happened to a friend of mine. This kind of incident doesn't get recorded, but it's damn well a case of being a victim of a crime. The only kinds of crimes that can occasionally escape this kind of bullshit are violent crimes but there have been countless assaults, rapes, and murders committed by illegals that even when it went to trial resulted in some batshit insane acquittal because the jury was filled with soyim.
Because of Covid?
No, because of theft. Homeless populations in California are skyrocketing and even outside of the major cities it's a huge issue. Walmart used to be open 24 hours a day, that changed because homeless would come in and steal shit between the hours of midnight and 6 am. Homeless people still steal a ton of shit because it's basically legal to do that now, so everything is locked up behind a cage requiring the employees to open it up now.
I'd hate to live there - it looks horrendous. I was just curious why the graph was going down when there are more illegals than ever, so I would expect the graph to go up because third worlders do third worldish things.
Well like I said, as with all things that paint a picture the people recording the data don't want to see, the numbers get cooked. It's not just with crime statistics, we've seen it happen this year with everything from Covid deaths to Mail in Ballots. I'm telling you that on the ground, being on the front lines of the Thunderdome, California is a hellhole with crime out the ass. Statistics may say it's safer than it was in the 60s but that's a small comfort to people right now who are victims of crime. That's true all over the place. I know that in my area break ins are skyrocketing but nothing happens because the police can't be bothered to chase down a stone cold whodunnit when somebody knocks over your apartment while you were at work because there's just too much violent crime taking place for them to devote resources to that shit. Cutting the funding to police departments was probably a very bad decision especially for those in megacities like Los Angeles. Last time I was in that dump I saw homeless people who were mentally ill literally walking around the streets with their pants filled with shit. I could smell them from blocks away, for fucks sake. Who the hell would want to raise a family here?
The bill was subsequently passed and signed on May 19, 1986 by President Ronald Reagan to become Public Law 99-308, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act.
As much as she would never have to tell someone she is a lady, her gender had nothing to do with her deeds. She was true leader for her country and others while she was here.
Granted I don't know much about her, but wasn't Thatcher as big of a globalist as Reagan and Bush? I know for you older Pedes Reagan and Thatcher are big deals for you, but for someone young like myself, I don't get the excitement.
All you have to do is look at the country before and after someone has been in power. Reagan and Thatcher were direct contributors to the mess we are currently in. They were establishment politicians who played on the emotions of right leaning people, while never doing anything for the people who supported them. Their main concern was helping Israel and destroying Christianity in the west.
Oh I don't know but speaking as a UK citizen here, Maggie's 1st term gave us the Housing Act 1980. One of the best things that has ever happened in the UK.
Sounds a lot like that socialism she was so against. Another government program created to do a job that wouldn't be necessary if people and churches actually lived up to their responsibilities to the community in the first place.
Are you seriously saying that bringing in legislation allowing people to outright buy their council home, something that Maggie long campaigned for before even coming to power, is....socialist?
Did it make the government bigger or smaller? You can word it however you want but yes, she was a socialist. I don't care what people say, I care what they do and her actions directly led to bigger government and less freedom.
My father lived through Thatcher, and hes based and on the train harder than I am. He describes Thatcher as a CUNT. She completely fucked the coal mining towns, which is where he came from.
It wasn't just the coal industry she fucked, she and her government were also responsible for destroying UK manufacturing which devastated entire working class communities for years.
To be fair, the socialist Labour government that she came in after had also fucked the country by allowing the unions far too much power.
I feel her attack, particularly regarding the coal industry was to destroy the mining unions and the workers in the industry were just caught in the crossfire.
However as far as the working classes were concerned a large majority despised her.
Her policies were in direct conflict to Trumps America First manufacturing policies but she had some nice quotes we can all look back on and feel good about.
What planet do you live on? The manufacturing she 'destroyed' was government owned. The government made the cars, washing machines, phones etc. They were all shit and didn't make any profit like in communist Russia. She privatised those industries, and gave first dibs on the shares to the workers. And rather than being destroyed, they almost doubled in productivity overnight. The only two industries everyone cries about are coal mining and ship building ffs, 19th century stuff is being generous. The working class despised her because she made them do an honest days work.
Well your father is confused. Coal mining was nationalised and non-profitable. It was owned by the government, a.k.a communism. Thatcher 'fucked' it by privatising them, and because they were non-profitable they disappeared.
I'm a working-class Brit who grew up with that narrative too, but the reality is far more nuanced.
Basically, coming out of the 70s, British industry was horribly uncompetitive, and riddled with union corruption. Huge swathes were government owned, so essentially taxpayer propped. They were also behind protectionist barriers, which I'm not totally averse to, but these hurt other industries by preventing free trade deals.
What she did was rip the band-aid off. She recognised the world had changed, and Britain's economy desperately needed modernising. Her crime is in doing it too quickly, and not offering enough transitional support to all the single-industry towns it devastated.
Her policies were necessary evils. But I agree she could have gone about things much better. She was very much 'small-state' conservatism, but I think some safety nets are important, and where they wrongly exist, you can't just remove them overnight. You have to help people transition.
Not knowing too much about her, I remember watching the latest season of The Crown, and like 5 minutes into the hollywood spin portrayal of her on the show, I was like, "Wait a minute, I bet she was actually a good strong leader..." and looked up just how true that actually is.
The problem with Thatcher was she was a free market capitalist who believed in globalist capitalism. She believed reducing government regulations and taxes was a good thing even if it meant the country's industry wasn't competition with foreign companies. This is an old school conservative belief and it is what got us in this mess in the first place.
For the most part, that sort of Globalist Capitalism belief works if all countries play nice with one another but it also assimilates all countries together into a collective by integrating them among one another and connecting them. This is what western conservatives of old wanted because they saw western culture as dominating.
Problem is that western culture has become corrupt. It's anti-Christian and cultural Marxist in nature. Now foreign countries like China are using globalist capitalism to their advantage at the expense of western countries.
The ideal form of economics now is National Capitalism. We must protect national industry and national culture at the expense of foreigners. Thatcher was a capitalist but she was willing to destroy her own country's industry if it meant promoting capitalism globally and that kind of mindset on capitalism is not the mindset we need for modern times. We must promote Nationalism, capitalism and Christian morality if we are to succeed as a civilization.
Shame that Trump didn't have the Iron Lady instead of Boris to work with... ;-)
Leaders like Thatcher, Reagan, and Trump are few and far between.
Can't get past that. We didn't even get the wall promised from it.
Jefferson and Lincoln are better. Maybe Andrew Johnson too since HuffPost and Wiki seem to really hate him.
He was promised border security; the amnesty was supposed to be a one off. It was an era when political compromises and tradeoffs still worked a lot of the time. In fact, this renege is one of the major things that ended that era.
It was also an era where SCOTUS was ludicrously, like 7-2 or 8-1 on the Left too, don't forget. It was very hard to get anything done without getting buy in from the Left.
? AFAIK, he was against slavery (good), and wanted blacks to return to Africa so they could enjoy a life away from us, because we're obviously so 'evil' and 'oppressive'. Win win.
Maybe you're confusing him with someone else? I think there was only one Lincoln though...
Lincoln expanded the federal government's power 20 fold allowing the federal government to override any state law (think abortion and prohibition). Heck the slippery slope started when Lincoln used military force instead of persuasion to subjugate the states.
Ah, that's not so good I guess.
He did one without a clear plan for the other, and now our nation is burning. Besides, states have a right to leave the union. He essentially invaded and subjugated the south.
Also, Lincoln killed more Americans than any foreign dictator ever did.
Smashing Tyrant Lincoln statues is one thing I always supported Antifa in.
tbh lincoln did a lot of bad shit for the megacorps -- at the time the robber barons who did in fact manipulate him. they wanted federal power to build that railroad system (and steal peoples homes for pennies on the dollar basically by paying the federal government rather than each individual state and property owner through civil asset forfeiture, basically an early constitutional violation of no quartering in loose terms.)
however, theres a good chance he did have more plans on what to do after. you do realize he was the first major assassination right?
first off, he wanted to pull out of the south and NOT subjugate them as long as they stayed in the union, and NOT create the KKK, and NOT do what happened. he probably also wouldnt have sold the land rights to the tycoons for nothing as well.
although this is all speculation since he died before any of that happened at all.
my theory always had been that in a way, Lincoln had been a useful stooge. they gave him something genuinely good on some level to rally around, ending slavery, technological advancement of the economy and transportation. it all sounds really wonderful.
but he was nearing the end of his usefulness, which is why he was replaced after he was killed with a series of ineffectual presidents that allowed the forces that be to work as they would for a long time after he died.
there is in fact at least one timeline in the multiverse where this has happened, that lincoln lived and was actually NOT one of them -- because the very reason he was killed was not being one of them and outliving his usefulness -- becoming an obstacle rather than a tool.
“Right to leave the union.”
Says who? They had no morally acceptable grievance. They threw a hissy fit over their guy not getting into office and we’re obsessed with keeping their disgusting and immoral gravy train.
“Invaded and subjugated the south.”
That’s how you bring a seceded state back into the fold. It’s doubtful they’d have done it voluntarily. Definitely a lot stronger for having them back in the fold today and their reasons for secession were far from acceptable.
Remind me who started a Civil War after tearing the Union apart? It was in South Carolina where the first shots of the war were fired. By South Carolinians.
Nearly every one of their documents of secession listed slavery (specifically wanting to keep it) as the main reason for secession.
A state’s right to continue an abhorrent, heinously immoral, disgusting practice is not a valid reason for secession, nor is getting a president elected that you don’t like.
I frankly don’t care about whether what he did was “legal” or not. The laws of man are irrelevant when they violate the rights of men. The south wasn’t coming back without being forced to.
Having fantasies about doing it again, commie? Come and try.
“Compromise” like we’ve done far too many times with gun control. Or border security.
He didn’t “compromise” because these people weren’t interested in compromise, they wanted appeasement. Slavery was abhorrently wrong and you cannot in good faith defend a state for seceding in defense of it (and it was about slavery, not just “state’s rights.” Because those “rights” were mainly focused around owning other people).
The victim mentality was strong with the south. Their guy didn’t make it in, and they wanted to keep their gravy train going, so they threw a major fit and seceded.
Sounds like the left to me, except the left today couldn’t secede from their Starbucks if they tried, nevermind a country.
You have to go back.
It has been fashionable for the last couple of years to bash Reagan for his flaws. And he had flaws. He made some rather cataclysmic mistakes, but all presidents do. Washington may be the most spotless of our presidents, and even he wasn’t perfect.
We have a lot to be grateful for when it comes to Ronald Reagan.
Calipede here fuck Reagan's amnesty, you have no idea the full length of the damage that that did to the state of California
Furthermore for those of you pedes who believe in things like traditional marriage Reagan as Governor of California was the first to grace us with legalized no-fault divorce
The reason it's fashionable to bash Reagan for his flaws is because enough time has passed to see the damage they've done. I don't blame socialists in the 19th and very early 20th centuries for having their beliefs because they hadn't been aware of the damage they would cause yet, whereas socialists of today are absolutely retarded. That said, Karl Marx is still one of history's greatest monsters because of what his bullshit lead to. Maybe Ronald Reagan wasn't aware of the extent of the damage that those two things were going to cause, especially to the state that he spent most of his life living in, but I'm not going to ignore it because he did it with the best of intentions. He's a damn sight better than the folks in favor of amnesty in the current year, and people that support no-fault divorce nowadays, but the damage has been done and I'm not capable of ignoring that.
Talking about the good he did doesn't change that. I wish it did.
To play devil's advocate, the crime rate in CA has gone down, and is close to its historic low: https://archive.is/YNU0S
Maybe they're missing something, or there are other factors to consider?
to play the "I actually fucking live here" card, the crime rate is based around crimes that are recorded as a matter of public record, which usually involves the police at some point deciding that a crime has taken place. any time you mention "illegal alien" or the faggot word "undocumented" they start hemming and hawwing because of their marching orders that they're not allowed to enforce laws that illegal aliens break
Now that I've actually read the article you posted however I have a very strong rebuttal to it. This line from the first paragraph
Crime is down and near historic lows all over the country, this is due largely to the 1993 Violent Crime Bill that featured a lot of insane bullshit like the AWB written by fuckwit Biden but also introduced harsher penalties for repeat offenders. This is what lead to the crime rate going down so much is that repeat offenders are the ones that cause most of the crime and a lot of them are in jail for life by now. However, the article itself states that
Crime overall is down because of the thing I mentioned, but crime recently has been going back up. Everybody around the country has noticed it, especially this year with the jogger riots around the country. I remember very well in June receiving text alerts that county wide curfews had been established, driving down the freeway past a military base seeing convoys of national guard troops being deployed in every direction.
However now that I've said all this I need to ask the question what does all of this have to do with Ronald Reagan? Why did you bring up what you brought up? Are you trying to argue that living in California isn't a hellish experience? Do you understand that the state basically decriminalized cases of theft under 1000 dollars so any store that is still open has resorted to extreme anti-theft measures since the police will do nothing? I literally need to ask an employee at Walmart to open the cuck cage so I can buy a pair of socks.
Ah that's interesting. Maybe that explains the decrease in property crime since 1980? Or is that when they brought in the rule that they couldn't prosecute illegals?
Do violent offenders get off scott free too? Even if many are locked up for life, I would expect there to be PLENTY of remaining third worlders (and their kids) to keep the graph escalating higher and higher, which is not what we see.
Because of Covid?
But of course.
I'd hate to live there - it looks horrendous. I was just curious why the graph was going down when there are more illegals than ever, so I would expect the graph to go up because third worlders do third worldish things.
What I experience, granted it's anecdotal evidence, it's more along the case of this. Let's say you get into a car accident, and the police are called. The person that hit you is 100% at fault because they're a fucking idiot. They're driving without a license, and they tell you in broken english they don't have insurance. The police arrive and it's discovered this individual is an illegal alien. The police start looking a little strange and eventually they let the other person go telling you there's nothing that they can do and they share some platitude about hoping your insurance covers the damage. It doesn't. Happened to a friend of mine. This kind of incident doesn't get recorded, but it's damn well a case of being a victim of a crime. The only kinds of crimes that can occasionally escape this kind of bullshit are violent crimes but there have been countless assaults, rapes, and murders committed by illegals that even when it went to trial resulted in some batshit insane acquittal because the jury was filled with soyim.
No, because of theft. Homeless populations in California are skyrocketing and even outside of the major cities it's a huge issue. Walmart used to be open 24 hours a day, that changed because homeless would come in and steal shit between the hours of midnight and 6 am. Homeless people still steal a ton of shit because it's basically legal to do that now, so everything is locked up behind a cage requiring the employees to open it up now.
Well like I said, as with all things that paint a picture the people recording the data don't want to see, the numbers get cooked. It's not just with crime statistics, we've seen it happen this year with everything from Covid deaths to Mail in Ballots. I'm telling you that on the ground, being on the front lines of the Thunderdome, California is a hellhole with crime out the ass. Statistics may say it's safer than it was in the 60s but that's a small comfort to people right now who are victims of crime. That's true all over the place. I know that in my area break ins are skyrocketing but nothing happens because the police can't be bothered to chase down a stone cold whodunnit when somebody knocks over your apartment while you were at work because there's just too much violent crime taking place for them to devote resources to that shit. Cutting the funding to police departments was probably a very bad decision especially for those in megacities like Los Angeles. Last time I was in that dump I saw homeless people who were mentally ill literally walking around the streets with their pants filled with shit. I could smell them from blocks away, for fucks sake. Who the hell would want to raise a family here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act I thank ole ronnie and the NRA for this everyday
And an 8-1 SCOTUS.
The only people bashing Reagan weren't actually alive through the nightmare Carter presidency.
I was. Carter was a weak president. The only good thing he did was get the Israelis and the Egyptians to the table for a peace treaty.
Reagan the swamp creature?
Love thy enemy.
Even Reagan is suspect with Iran Contra. Who knows how far back all this shit goes.
Supposedly a Tory too lol.
The powers of Chaos got to the New York born son of the Emperor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
Fuck Nurgle (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52238276) he was never the same afterwards.
Was this before or after she hocked the First Iraq war, with George H W?
I like to think he'd have put her on the gallows where she belonged. Just like Boris!
The UK has been collapsing ever since the Iron Lady lost power.
"The West is a rotting corpse being consumed by maggots. Conservatives are rooting for the corpse. Liberals are rooting for the maggots."
That is why we need to delegitimize conservative inc and the conservative establishment who want us to conserve liberal perversions in our culture.
The China plan and American deep state are connected.i suppose the Australian deep star has its own collaborators in America and other countries.
Slight tangent, but I like that Japan said it wanted to join five eyes
“English speaking countries… will you accept Engrish?”
Pretty sad for us in NZ. Even worse in Canada.
Cyborg Margaret Thatcher for Prime Minister!
Savage Iron Lady
sorry but the office of the president elect has always existed... making up shit doesn't make our cause look good.
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ugly & disgusting
Barack Obama legit looks like a potbelly goblin. Alex Jones was right!
Fantastic. Got any more?
Great vid
I love when she said.... "that.... not that."
The truly powerful never have to prove it.
Kind of like holding the “office of President elect” or Camel-la explaining how black she is? 😂🤣
I have a lot of respect for her as their former PM. She was very insistent on not allowing her gender to be a part of who she was as a leader.
As much as she would never have to tell someone she is a lady, her gender had nothing to do with her deeds. She was true leader for her country and others while she was here.
Reminds me of the Game of Thrones quote by Tywin Lannister:
Any man who must get the MSM to say, "he is the president" is no true president.
She also said: "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
Granted I don't know much about her, but wasn't Thatcher as big of a globalist as Reagan and Bush? I know for you older Pedes Reagan and Thatcher are big deals for you, but for someone young like myself, I don't get the excitement.
Hahaha no
Iron Lady hated socialism and was a massive fiscal conservative. She hated the UN and was against the Euro.
I believe she is a globalist, yes. I will try to find the info I was reading.
All you have to do is look at the country before and after someone has been in power. Reagan and Thatcher were direct contributors to the mess we are currently in. They were establishment politicians who played on the emotions of right leaning people, while never doing anything for the people who supported them. Their main concern was helping Israel and destroying Christianity in the west.
Oh I don't know but speaking as a UK citizen here, Maggie's 1st term gave us the Housing Act 1980. One of the best things that has ever happened in the UK.
Sounds a lot like that socialism she was so against. Another government program created to do a job that wouldn't be necessary if people and churches actually lived up to their responsibilities to the community in the first place.
Are you seriously saying that bringing in legislation allowing people to outright buy their council home, something that Maggie long campaigned for before even coming to power, is....socialist?
Did it make the government bigger or smaller? You can word it however you want but yes, she was a socialist. I don't care what people say, I care what they do and her actions directly led to bigger government and less freedom.
I’d add Churchill to the list.
Think again, he purposefully called off protection of the Lusitania to get America into WW1.
He had major flaws and worked with Stalin
It’s MA’AM!!
" If you have to tell everyone that you are the Prisident Elect, then maybe...."
Sickening what she did to the Irish.
What did she do the Irish?
Trannies BTFO!
My father lived through Thatcher, and hes based and on the train harder than I am. He describes Thatcher as a CUNT. She completely fucked the coal mining towns, which is where he came from.
Came here to say this.
It wasn't just the coal industry she fucked, she and her government were also responsible for destroying UK manufacturing which devastated entire working class communities for years.
To be fair, the socialist Labour government that she came in after had also fucked the country by allowing the unions far too much power.
I feel her attack, particularly regarding the coal industry was to destroy the mining unions and the workers in the industry were just caught in the crossfire.
However as far as the working classes were concerned a large majority despised her.
Her policies were in direct conflict to Trumps America First manufacturing policies but she had some nice quotes we can all look back on and feel good about.
What planet do you live on? The manufacturing she 'destroyed' was government owned. The government made the cars, washing machines, phones etc. They were all shit and didn't make any profit like in communist Russia. She privatised those industries, and gave first dibs on the shares to the workers. And rather than being destroyed, they almost doubled in productivity overnight. The only two industries everyone cries about are coal mining and ship building ffs, 19th century stuff is being generous. The working class despised her because she made them do an honest days work.
Well your father is confused. Coal mining was nationalised and non-profitable. It was owned by the government, a.k.a communism. Thatcher 'fucked' it by privatising them, and because they were non-profitable they disappeared.
I'm a working-class Brit who grew up with that narrative too, but the reality is far more nuanced.
Basically, coming out of the 70s, British industry was horribly uncompetitive, and riddled with union corruption. Huge swathes were government owned, so essentially taxpayer propped. They were also behind protectionist barriers, which I'm not totally averse to, but these hurt other industries by preventing free trade deals.
What she did was rip the band-aid off. She recognised the world had changed, and Britain's economy desperately needed modernising. Her crime is in doing it too quickly, and not offering enough transitional support to all the single-industry towns it devastated.
Her policies were necessary evils. But I agree she could have gone about things much better. She was very much 'small-state' conservatism, but I think some safety nets are important, and where they wrongly exist, you can't just remove them overnight. You have to help people transition.
5 minutes of research beyond right wing jerk off sites would show anyone what a monster she was.
Not knowing too much about her, I remember watching the latest season of The Crown, and like 5 minutes into the hollywood spin portrayal of her on the show, I was like, "Wait a minute, I bet she was actually a good strong leader..." and looked up just how true that actually is.
Speak softly, and carry a big stick.
I read some of her quotes this morning. She was based as basest could be
It is why our little Township has over 100 police officers, equipped on par with Beverly Hills, California.
Everyone knows our democrat/union elites in gated subs are not someone fuck with.
EXCUSE ME, IT'S MA'AM!
This is a badass quote. Did she really say this?
This one of her least badass quotes. You should hear some of her jabs at socialism. Here are a few https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6DkGwLWKLE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw
Yes.
She was based af sheesh!
Not 4 turning at all
All hail the Iron Lady, the perfect tag team with the Gipper to put the USSR in the grave.
USSR still lives on though
Or like the pandemic. If you have to tell people there is one, there isn't.
KEK!
The Iron Lady was EXTREMELY based
Big Mike is pissed!
IT'S MA'AM!
She was transphobic reeeeeeee
"REEEEEEEE Don't quote that bigoted transphobe!? "
But what if she's 100% fucking spot on correct...?
Time traveler?
Lady Thatcher was a brilliant and smart lady.
Sadly I’ll always remember Tywin’s version better
“Any man who has to say ‘I am The King’, is no true king”
Is Thatcher really "our girl" now?
Trannies btfo
lmaoooooo
The iron lady.
She actually said "lady", not woman.
Lots of debates on Thatcher here...
The problem with Thatcher was she was a free market capitalist who believed in globalist capitalism. She believed reducing government regulations and taxes was a good thing even if it meant the country's industry wasn't competition with foreign companies. This is an old school conservative belief and it is what got us in this mess in the first place.
For the most part, that sort of Globalist Capitalism belief works if all countries play nice with one another but it also assimilates all countries together into a collective by integrating them among one another and connecting them. This is what western conservatives of old wanted because they saw western culture as dominating.
Problem is that western culture has become corrupt. It's anti-Christian and cultural Marxist in nature. Now foreign countries like China are using globalist capitalism to their advantage at the expense of western countries.
The ideal form of economics now is National Capitalism. We must protect national industry and national culture at the expense of foreigners. Thatcher was a capitalist but she was willing to destroy her own country's industry if it meant promoting capitalism globally and that kind of mindset on capitalism is not the mindset we need for modern times. We must promote Nationalism, capitalism and Christian morality if we are to succeed as a civilization.
And yet here we are... with AOC and her gang or kamala....