He signed it in a way with notes and redlines that indicate what he wants added and removed. The last video of the bill was extremely popular so he's basically going to get a win from the public either way. If they remove the pork he wins. If they increase the amount of the checks to most Americans it is also a win in the eyes of most of the masses. If they do none of what he wants they look like the enemy.
He made the best out of a shitty hand that he was dealt.
His push for $2k delayed the bill getting to his desk such that he could have pocket vetoed it without Congress being able to override. By signing it he gave up his power.
Current Congress will be out on Jan 3rd, along with any pending legislation. He could have not signed for 10 days and it would have expired. This seems like Trump folded to me...which I am dismayed at and I hope he knows something we don't...but I don't see it.
Congress would not have been in session when the 10 day countdown expired. That's what I was saying. His push for $2k delayed the bill getting to his desk enough that he could have pocket vetoed it.
In his statement, he says he signed it only under the specific conditions that they remove the pork (and I assume his relinquishing authority for the Insurrection Act) and add the $2k per person. He's a genius. He knows what he's doing. Trust him.
But the pork is already out in the public. 80% of congress voted yay on this for the first pass. Are you saying that number would be down to below 66% for the second pass? How?
First pass everyone could say “oh noes, we had to act fast!” Second pass, they don’t get that out. They know all the park in this bill, and they like it. A veto would have forced them to own it.
There’s no vote on any of this redlines bs. Every GOPe and dim will say they voted on a bill they could not have possibly read because the world was ending and they are very upset now that they know it was full of bullshit. “I’d never vote for that again. Good thing I won’t have to since the president signed it. Vote for me in two years.”
They would still have to vote on it and more than likely it may be harder to get 2/3rds now. Once a president officially vetos senators can’t as easily “phone it in.” People were calling representatives and saying “don’t sign on to this trash.” Before they rushed it outside of public knowledge or ridicule. This is better for swampies because now they can still do what they want and they don’t have to re vote for anything. The President can hold funds for 45 days but after that he must direct the funds to be disbursed. It’s a bad move.
I don't buy it, 80% of congress voted yay on this bill originally. Given how corrupt our officials are, you think a few phone calls would knock that number below 66%? Is there any precedent for this historically?
Hold up - regardless of the 2/3rds hurdle he just gave them every thing they wanted and asked them to please reconsider. In 45 days everything will be released - unless congress changes its mind?!? Which you have proven they will not, but at least he would have kept his integrity and left this steaming pile on their lap.
So I take it you agree with me that hoping congress would not override the veto is futile.
He's redlined everything that needs to change. Wouldn't it look like congress owns it if they don't change it by 45 days? It seems like he's saying "these parts are good, these are my parts, these red parts are bad, these are their parts."
Right! They might vote but it's not going to be in his favor! Why the fuck would he do this! I'm starting to lose faith in trump! I thought there was a good chance it's going to come down to US!
I still have hope but I have to admit it's running a little low after months of nothing but negative bs! I understand I have no info like Trump does, but i think he still should have vetoed it and made them vote again just to prove a point! This is a critical time and to see the flip flop until more info comes out does nothing but demoralize his base!
Basically Trump invoked ICA 1974 to tell congress, ok , I signed the bill in full but I don't like spending item A, B,C and D for reasons 1, 2, and 3. So you please consider removing these four spending items. If congress agrees to remove item A, B, C and D, good; but if they disagree or simply do nothing, after 45 days from today, the bill will be in full force including item A, B, C, D. You must have a great confidence on Congress to believe they will remove A, B, C and D.
i never said i have confidence in congress, and in fact i probably never will. but 45 days will be totally different from today. as long as the bullshit is not official until then i am fine with that.
President asked Congress to review areas the President has marked for concern. Congress may review and remove. (MAY). If they do shit about it the funds must be disbursed within 45 days of today.
It does nothing but give congress one more chance to remove marked items and delay the disbursement of funds.
Says an account that was more than likely a plant here since you haven't much of anything for the year you were here. Unless you know any actual details, get gone from here, doomer plant!
GEOTUS looks bad if he denies or delays aid to Americans
3)bill is not popular with Americans because of the pork, but many NPCs dont care and just want the money
He couldn't win outright, so he got a strategic benefit by making Congress own the pork. He can still get the aid to Anericans out but hold back the pork till his next term when things may be very different.
You know none of that shit is going to happen. Rinos and dems will ignore it they're all salivating for Biden and are trying to do as little as possible till the 20th.
This. I hope Trump isn't dumb enough to take such a deal - giving the #Swamp what they want in exchange for an empty promise they are under no obligation to deliver on.
That's not how you negotiate, and it certainly doesn't demonstrate the Art of the Deal (TM). Winners don't give up all of their cards first in exchange for a "promise" from the adversary. Neville Chamberlain and "Peace in our time". How did that work out?
A lot of people are saying congress isn't going to do their jobs, then make them. Send emails demanding that they remove the pork.
Here's a Template:
Hello Congressperson,
My Name is _______. President Trump has presented you with an unique opportunity to remove excess spending, while providing COVID aid. As a concerned citizen, I hope that you remove this excess spending so that it can be allocated to move useful areas. Money spent in this bill going to many special interest groups could otherwise be used to help with general purpose issues.
So what I'm gathering overall with this, especially since the establishment gop showed their complete spinelessness and nearly all voted for this porkulus bill, options on what to do about this were limited in the first place.
Veto outright, it would've been overridden by drunki and mitch the bitch. Best bet for a while I was seeing was a pocket veto, but as I've seen others on here state before, since they have at least one representative for house and senate to basically walk up and be "present," bullshit technicality puts them as perpetually present, which upends the process of the pocket veto.
Please correct if I'm wrong, but were there no other options to be taken considering the above? President Trump's veto would've resulted in just being a veto made in protest that would've been overridden - with this, he at least presents another option to be taken. At best, after the bill and his own protests against it have been presented and both conservative public and dem leeches alike both hate the pork in it, he's given them a chance at public redemption to address the pork in point by point and strike some items out to save their public image that even lamestream media wouldn't be able to repair outright; at worse, they double-down on a bill that has possibly the lowest public approval in recent history and cements their name to it, putting those that double-down on it as the public enemies they are to a wider audience.
I don't like these state of affairs as much as the next guy, but aside from action from the people that we know is inevitable, what other option was there politically to take in this regard?
how can we expect rinos to vote yes on any of those
He signed it in a way with notes and redlines that indicate what he wants added and removed. The last video of the bill was extremely popular so he's basically going to get a win from the public either way. If they remove the pork he wins. If they increase the amount of the checks to most Americans it is also a win in the eyes of most of the masses. If they do none of what he wants they look like the enemy.
He made the best out of a shitty hand that he was dealt.
I see your point but unfortunately I don't think there's anyway around it
4d chest move. His actions may be confusing to most(like me), but I always have faith he knows exactly what he is doing.
Why do they care about bad optics? The elections over. They already secured their seats.
Maybe. The downtickets were hacked liked the presidential part, no doubt.
It looks like Trump fucked up and trusted the swamp.
I hope to God that's not what happened. If he still trusts the swamp after all this, we're fucked.
Okay, I don't get it, everyone was saying congress was going to override a veto anyway. How is this not better?
It is. Doomers just need something to doom about
His push for $2k delayed the bill getting to his desk such that he could have pocket vetoed it without Congress being able to override. By signing it he gave up his power.
Pocket veto only works in the United States if congress is not in session. Congress was in session.
Current Congress will be out on Jan 3rd, along with any pending legislation. He could have not signed for 10 days and it would have expired. This seems like Trump folded to me...which I am dismayed at and I hope he knows something we don't...but I don't see it.
Congress would not have been in session when the 10 day countdown expired. That's what I was saying. His push for $2k delayed the bill getting to his desk enough that he could have pocket vetoed it.
In his statement, he says he signed it only under the specific conditions that they remove the pork (and I assume his relinquishing authority for the Insurrection Act) and add the $2k per person. He's a genius. He knows what he's doing. Trust him.
The insurrection act changes were part of a different bill.
Is it the covid relief or the NDAA or the omnibus bill?
No veto - “we didn’t have time to read it. No time! Had to save America!”
Veto - “we had plenty of time to consider this bill and yes, Sudan deserves $700 million and you get $600 bucks. Deal with it, bitches.”
The first one is how this bill passed initially and how it has now gone into the law.
But the pork is already out in the public. 80% of congress voted yay on this for the first pass. Are you saying that number would be down to below 66% for the second pass? How?
First pass everyone could say “oh noes, we had to act fast!” Second pass, they don’t get that out. They know all the park in this bill, and they like it. A veto would have forced them to own it.
In the current state he's redlined all of the pork. If they don't fix it, they own it. Same situation, different words.
There’s no vote on any of this redlines bs. Every GOPe and dim will say they voted on a bill they could not have possibly read because the world was ending and they are very upset now that they know it was full of bullshit. “I’d never vote for that again. Good thing I won’t have to since the president signed it. Vote for me in two years.”
They would still have to vote on it and more than likely it may be harder to get 2/3rds now. Once a president officially vetos senators can’t as easily “phone it in.” People were calling representatives and saying “don’t sign on to this trash.” Before they rushed it outside of public knowledge or ridicule. This is better for swampies because now they can still do what they want and they don’t have to re vote for anything. The President can hold funds for 45 days but after that he must direct the funds to be disbursed. It’s a bad move.
I don't buy it, 80% of congress voted yay on this bill originally. Given how corrupt our officials are, you think a few phone calls would knock that number below 66%? Is there any precedent for this historically?
Hold up - regardless of the 2/3rds hurdle he just gave them every thing they wanted and asked them to please reconsider. In 45 days everything will be released - unless congress changes its mind?!? Which you have proven they will not, but at least he would have kept his integrity and left this steaming pile on their lap.
So I take it you agree with me that hoping congress would not override the veto is futile.
He's redlined everything that needs to change. Wouldn't it look like congress owns it if they don't change it by 45 days? It seems like he's saying "these parts are good, these are my parts, these red parts are bad, these are their parts."
I believe that is exactly what he has done. Spot lighted the whole mess.
Right! They might vote but it's not going to be in his favor! Why the fuck would he do this! I'm starting to lose faith in trump! I thought there was a good chance it's going to come down to US!
How is this $2T once a year budget substantially different from all the other budgets we've previously passed?
This one was made with the root idea that they government has to pay the people because they shutdown their business.
I still have hope but I have to admit it's running a little low after months of nothing but negative bs! I understand I have no info like Trump does, but i think he still should have vetoed it and made them vote again just to prove a point! This is a critical time and to see the flip flop until more info comes out does nothing but demoralize his base!
I hope that's what this is! Now I don't know much about that law but doesn't it mean congress has to look into themselves?
Trust muh plan /s
What day do they vote
Tomorrow 12/28
Just imagine the optics of voting against this...TRUMP is a master.
Oh boy golly, I can't wait to put some of that sweet positive media optics on my dinner table, said no one ever.
Trumps Signing Statement
Rubiconboy is 6 hours old and has shithead shill tattooed on his forehead like Manson
Congress isn't going to do shit about voter fraud or foreign aid.
They'll just run the clock.
what role does ICA1974 play in this?
Basically Trump invoked ICA 1974 to tell congress, ok , I signed the bill in full but I don't like spending item A, B,C and D for reasons 1, 2, and 3. So you please consider removing these four spending items. If congress agrees to remove item A, B, C and D, good; but if they disagree or simply do nothing, after 45 days from today, the bill will be in full force including item A, B, C, D. You must have a great confidence on Congress to believe they will remove A, B, C and D.
i never said i have confidence in congress, and in fact i probably never will. but 45 days will be totally different from today. as long as the bullshit is not official until then i am fine with that.
President asked Congress to review areas the President has marked for concern. Congress may review and remove. (MAY). If they do shit about it the funds must be disbursed within 45 days of today.
It does nothing but give congress one more chance to remove marked items and delay the disbursement of funds.
that is actually not bad. 45 days will be a lot different from today.
“I don’t fully understand” Proceeds to doom.
Easy bud, TD.win has your back, so does Trump.
See you in DC 1/6 or at your own state Capitol.
He pulled a Ted “stern letter” Cruz.
facepalm
Boy, there sure are a lot of newfags shitting up the place these days....
ok 5 day old shill guy
They’re getting whinier and whinier too
what role does ICA1974 play in this?
Imagine putting your faith in congress to do the right thing?
I am by far the best at that.
YES WE KNOW BARACK
Is it true your husband is 6 inches soft in an ice bath?
do you know the details of this or are you just taking a (dumb) surface level view? wasnt ICA1974 invoked?
Says an account that was more than likely a plant here since you haven't much of anything for the year you were here. Unless you know any actual details, get gone from here, doomer plant!
Oh, they promised? And they'll focus strongly. I'll do what I do with car salesmen and ignore what they say, and read the actual text.
So much this. People have no clue that the 600 or 2k is gonna be soooo fucking devalued. Welcome to 20 dollar gallons of milk.
Then they will enact a bill called the "the inflation relief , totally not socialist bill ".
:|
Okay, I don't get it, everyone was saying congress was going to override a veto anyway. How is this not better?
If 230 is actually reformed, I'll happily take social media being liable for censoring conservatives
If he signed then where is his leverage? Why would they do anything now?
I'm not sure how it works. This post says they 'promised' which doesn't sound great
Are people making more than 75k getting fucked again?
You get to pay for everyone else via your taxes, and also have your savings devalued by the collapsing dollar! So, yay?
Good times!
Yes. Dry.
This is why I deduct ERTHANG.
Lol he bought that?
Holy shit, Congress promised something? That definitely means it's going to happen.
What about the Insurrection Act?
That was in the NDAA bill that he vetoed the other day not this stimulus bill.
Gone. He just signed a bill that strips the executive od that power.
I’m SURE government will “strongly look into” those things. What a bunch of horseshit.
Drives inflation and gives them power. I love Trump but some of you have zero idea of what small government is.
The Communists Democratic Party has already said they will not change anything in the bill. POTUS got played. I hope he actually hasn't signed it.
There is no way in hell either party will allow that to happen. They'l each take a hit and the blame will all go to republicans.
I trust GEOTUS, but I don’t trust those cucks in Congress one iota.
What is four times two thousand?
Kids get less.
He couldn't win outright, so he got a strategic benefit by making Congress own the pork. He can still get the aid to Anericans out but hold back the pork till his next term when things may be very different.
This is the correct take right here. It's not great news but it's what we have and it's realistic and not that doomy.
You know none of that shit is going to happen. Rinos and dems will ignore it they're all salivating for Biden and are trying to do as little as possible till the 20th.
This. I hope Trump isn't dumb enough to take such a deal - giving the #Swamp what they want in exchange for an empty promise they are under no obligation to deliver on.
That's not how you negotiate, and it certainly doesn't demonstrate the Art of the Deal (TM). Winners don't give up all of their cards first in exchange for a "promise" from the adversary. Neville Chamberlain and "Peace in our time". How did that work out?
So these cucks still get to waste all our money?
As long as the rest of the bill (pork and dem wish list) is gone- this would be a clean bill.
LOOK AT ALL THAT MINECRAFT MONEH!! For uppin the arsenal. Man, ammo in the villages has gone thru the ceiling.
Ok then its a good deal
Let me rephrase it. Its not a good deal but the American people need money now and Big tech need to be destroyed so ill take it
Brutal
Going to need another 2 million patriots in DC to fully surround these pieces of shit politicians!
A lot of people are saying congress isn't going to do their jobs, then make them. Send emails demanding that they remove the pork.
Here's a Template:
Hello Congressperson,
My Name is _______. President Trump has presented you with an unique opportunity to remove excess spending, while providing COVID aid. As a concerned citizen, I hope that you remove this excess spending so that it can be allocated to move useful areas. Money spent in this bill going to many special interest groups could otherwise be used to help with general purpose issues.
Thank you.
"Send a strongly worded letter" is how we got here. I don't think that's gonna work, but you do you.
They aren't afraid of emails, they won't do shit.
Okay, get together with your friends, find a congress persons house, buy a pig and put it on their front lawn and leave.
That will shit everywhere.
The house said that Trumps redlines are DOA and the turtle didnt mention anything about it.
Yes ... because people getting free money IS DOOM.
How does Trump make sure they deliver on their part after he's signed this turd?
Reminds me of the time congress promised Reagan they'd totally fix immigration if he agreed to a one time amnesty.
Who wrote this explanation, and how go we know Congress will investigate voter fraud.
They'll appoint Ilhan Omar to head up a committee.
So what I'm gathering overall with this, especially since the establishment gop showed their complete spinelessness and nearly all voted for this porkulus bill, options on what to do about this were limited in the first place.
Veto outright, it would've been overridden by drunki and mitch the bitch. Best bet for a while I was seeing was a pocket veto, but as I've seen others on here state before, since they have at least one representative for house and senate to basically walk up and be "present," bullshit technicality puts them as perpetually present, which upends the process of the pocket veto.
Please correct if I'm wrong, but were there no other options to be taken considering the above? President Trump's veto would've resulted in just being a veto made in protest that would've been overridden - with this, he at least presents another option to be taken. At best, after the bill and his own protests against it have been presented and both conservative public and dem leeches alike both hate the pork in it, he's given them a chance at public redemption to address the pork in point by point and strike some items out to save their public image that even lamestream media wouldn't be able to repair outright; at worse, they double-down on a bill that has possibly the lowest public approval in recent history and cements their name to it, putting those that double-down on it as the public enemies they are to a wider audience.
I don't like these state of affairs as much as the next guy, but aside from action from the people that we know is inevitable, what other option was there politically to take in this regard?
What?
It the new math
Does removing 230 open up every social media platform for lawsuits, including TDW?
If he signs and they promise, they'll just break all the promises.
Trump hasn't given in or fucked anything up. He is just continuing to control the narrative. The MSM only reports what Trump wants them to report.
It was his signing statement
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/12/27/text-president-trumps-statement-on-signing-covid-19-relief-bill/
Man, cuck move
Sticky this and fuck DoOMeRs!
The president of negotiations
They were given the opportunity to do the right thing.
And we'll remember that J6
lol
Hey I used to think this situation was a tragedy, but now I realized it was a comedy the whole time
For fuck's sake