His push for $2k delayed the bill getting to his desk such that he could have pocket vetoed it without Congress being able to override. By signing it he gave up his power.
Current Congress will be out on Jan 3rd, along with any pending legislation. He could have not signed for 10 days and it would have expired. This seems like Trump folded to me...which I am dismayed at and I hope he knows something we don't...but I don't see it.
Congress would not have been in session when the 10 day countdown expired. That's what I was saying. His push for $2k delayed the bill getting to his desk enough that he could have pocket vetoed it.
In his statement, he says he signed it only under the specific conditions that they remove the pork (and I assume his relinquishing authority for the Insurrection Act) and add the $2k per person. He's a genius. He knows what he's doing. Trust him.
But the pork is already out in the public. 80% of congress voted yay on this for the first pass. Are you saying that number would be down to below 66% for the second pass? How?
First pass everyone could say “oh noes, we had to act fast!” Second pass, they don’t get that out. They know all the park in this bill, and they like it. A veto would have forced them to own it.
They would still have to vote on it and more than likely it may be harder to get 2/3rds now. Once a president officially vetos senators can’t as easily “phone it in.” People were calling representatives and saying “don’t sign on to this trash.” Before they rushed it outside of public knowledge or ridicule. This is better for swampies because now they can still do what they want and they don’t have to re vote for anything. The President can hold funds for 45 days but after that he must direct the funds to be disbursed. It’s a bad move.
I don't buy it, 80% of congress voted yay on this bill originally. Given how corrupt our officials are, you think a few phone calls would knock that number below 66%? Is there any precedent for this historically?
Hold up - regardless of the 2/3rds hurdle he just gave them every thing they wanted and asked them to please reconsider. In 45 days everything will be released - unless congress changes its mind?!? Which you have proven they will not, but at least he would have kept his integrity and left this steaming pile on their lap.
So I take it you agree with me that hoping congress would not override the veto is futile.
He's redlined everything that needs to change. Wouldn't it look like congress owns it if they don't change it by 45 days? It seems like he's saying "these parts are good, these are my parts, these red parts are bad, these are their parts."
Okay, I don't get it, everyone was saying congress was going to override a veto anyway. How is this not better?
It is. Doomers just need something to doom about
His push for $2k delayed the bill getting to his desk such that he could have pocket vetoed it without Congress being able to override. By signing it he gave up his power.
Pocket veto only works in the United States if congress is not in session. Congress was in session.
Current Congress will be out on Jan 3rd, along with any pending legislation. He could have not signed for 10 days and it would have expired. This seems like Trump folded to me...which I am dismayed at and I hope he knows something we don't...but I don't see it.
Congress would not have been in session when the 10 day countdown expired. That's what I was saying. His push for $2k delayed the bill getting to his desk enough that he could have pocket vetoed it.
In his statement, he says he signed it only under the specific conditions that they remove the pork (and I assume his relinquishing authority for the Insurrection Act) and add the $2k per person. He's a genius. He knows what he's doing. Trust him.
The insurrection act changes were part of a different bill.
Is it the covid relief or the NDAA or the omnibus bill?
No veto - “we didn’t have time to read it. No time! Had to save America!”
Veto - “we had plenty of time to consider this bill and yes, Sudan deserves $700 million and you get $600 bucks. Deal with it, bitches.”
The first one is how this bill passed initially and how it has now gone into the law.
But the pork is already out in the public. 80% of congress voted yay on this for the first pass. Are you saying that number would be down to below 66% for the second pass? How?
First pass everyone could say “oh noes, we had to act fast!” Second pass, they don’t get that out. They know all the park in this bill, and they like it. A veto would have forced them to own it.
In the current state he's redlined all of the pork. If they don't fix it, they own it. Same situation, different words.
They would still have to vote on it and more than likely it may be harder to get 2/3rds now. Once a president officially vetos senators can’t as easily “phone it in.” People were calling representatives and saying “don’t sign on to this trash.” Before they rushed it outside of public knowledge or ridicule. This is better for swampies because now they can still do what they want and they don’t have to re vote for anything. The President can hold funds for 45 days but after that he must direct the funds to be disbursed. It’s a bad move.
I don't buy it, 80% of congress voted yay on this bill originally. Given how corrupt our officials are, you think a few phone calls would knock that number below 66%? Is there any precedent for this historically?
Hold up - regardless of the 2/3rds hurdle he just gave them every thing they wanted and asked them to please reconsider. In 45 days everything will be released - unless congress changes its mind?!? Which you have proven they will not, but at least he would have kept his integrity and left this steaming pile on their lap.
So I take it you agree with me that hoping congress would not override the veto is futile.
He's redlined everything that needs to change. Wouldn't it look like congress owns it if they don't change it by 45 days? It seems like he's saying "these parts are good, these are my parts, these red parts are bad, these are their parts."