I don't think anyone saying "trust the plan" means "trust the plan, while doing nothing." Right now, that plan clearly is focused on the 6th. Our role is that of a force multiplier, though a visual "show of force."
Every man woman and child needs to be bombarding every relevant office holder you can with calls, texts, emails, letters, faxes, in person visits. You then have to show up on Jan 6th. Should we need to keep going after that....someone start charging mags...
"Take Action"... what kind?? YOU don't seem to have a concise plan either. Dude, we HAVE been protesting and showing up to events - what has that done exactly other than prove we're not backing down.
What, you want another big protest?? Where? Do we go out rioting? Holding guns up in the air & making demands??
What will that do to get Trump's 2nd term and PROVE ELECTION FRAUD?
Imo, any fight should come if the clear evidence fails to get Deep State to accept it - THEN they've stolen this country with illegal election and I can see going out for that purpose.
Good planning is "doing shit." You can't make up for years of inactivity by being impatient now. Are you going to DC? Read the posts, plan it well. The pats are waking up...it's all good.
Nah, we’ve been called /pol/‘s retarded younger brother since 2015. It’s just that if you were on reddit towards the end, the speech policing got pretty heavy. This is just the natural progression of lack of censorship.
Dooming is disinfo as well. It demoralizes and turns an uphill battle into a foregone conclusion.
I appreciate discussion and valid doubts, but blackpilling is just as, if not more damaging than blind faith. Shit can actually get done by pure force of will. Remember that.
Ok, but calling everyone who raises a question a “doomer” is becoming the “white supremacy ” argument of the Donald...it’s losing all meaning because it’s over applied. I think most people who come here start from a position of skepticism, and we shouldn’t be slapping people down for asking questions and raising concerns. That’s our greatest strength, so let’s be careful about the name calling.
We really need to return to a differentiation between ‘dooming’ and ‘concern trolling’.
There are valid concerns that can be brought up without acting as a demoralizer like concern trolls do. “I am concerned about Trump’s action on this, someone explain more info” vs “I love Trump, but this is really concerning, maybe he’s compromised/unable to act”, which casts doubt on Trump and makes him seem potentially useless or corrupt, in violation of rule #1.
Dooming, as it started and I still view it, is just blackpilling. There are days when every Pede gets into a funk, but no matter what happens, it’s never as bad as we imagine it will be. 4 years of Trump have shown that he is not to be underestimated. If we are in a funk, it’s not a good time to be spreading negativity all over others that might be pushed into a dooming frenzy of their own. I think a lot of this is actual infiltration, but we should be aware of ourselves. Lift each other up, not demoralize.
I know a lot of newer Pedes come from other news sites, and those comment sections are full of angst. TDW can be a positive place without complacency or being unrealistic.
Indeed, but one could argue that foreign interests would benefit much more greatly by fomenting civil unrest (let alone war) rather than just demoralizing a major US political faction. Have to consider the geopolitical angles just as much as the domestic ones.
Just screaming "hold the line trust the plan" isn't going to do shit.
Which is kinda hilarious in itself seeing as how 'the line' is constantly being shifted with every mistake, compromise, capitulation, or undesirable outcome. And as a result, it is always shifted back, never forward. We always lose ground, never gain ground. We're always on defense, never offense.
Then it will become "hold the line till the midterms!"
Rinse, repeat.
It's why I don't take any calls for patience seriously anymore. Been hearing the same bullshit for 4 years now, and it never amounts to anything but complacency and compromise.
We have way too many submissive pussies, and way too few actual patriots.
My cousin is like that. But she's also very religious and believes its Gods plan that Trump serve two terms. Idk how the spin will go if that idiot takes office come inauguration day, but I'm sure it too will be a part of the plan. But God love them, she is part of a large group of decent, salt of the earth, Patriot people. I wish I had their undying faith that come what may, its Gods will and they have a truly unending belief that good will win in the end. To them its a spiritual battle of good versus evil and there is no surrender, ever.
Trust the plan is a meme, the plan was to win the election on election night and avoid all possible fraud, well that didn't work... then the plan was to go to court and get something going, well that didn't work... then the plan was the massive Kraken, well that didn't work... then the plan was to get your cases rejected quickly in order to get to SCOTUS, well that didn't work... then the plan was something about some date in December and some EO, well that didn't work... then the plan was the Texas lawsuit, well that didn't work... now the plan is Jan 6th.
If you truly believe the plan was to end up having to call for a massive rally on Jan 6th then you're fucking wrong, we're talking plan Z here, because all previous plans fucking failed. Anyone here truly believes that this is the ideal scenario? Ideally the fraud would've been stopped, that was plan A and it failed, there were a lot of subsequent "plans" and they all failed, one could argue they didn't really fail because it was all to build popular support for Jan 6th, but let's be real here, anyone really believe that? Anyone actually thinks Trump wanted SCOTUS to give him the finger instead of actually listening to the case and ruling in his favor?
This is all common sense and very basic logic, if you fail to understand my point and still believe "It'S aLl PaRt Of ThE PlAn" then you're as retarded as your average /r/politics user.
Yeah, don't think and don't question or you'll get labeled a 'doomer faggot.' How horrible. Getting called names is so much worse than blindly jumping into the viper's pit that is communism.
I just don't get why questioning or criticizing this decision equals not supporting Trump. He's the best president this country has ever had, thus far, but he's human and, ergo, not perfect. The choice to sign these shitty bills and count on the integrity of hundreds of people who, combined, don't have enough to fill a thimble, is nuts.
Its cognitive dissonance, in essence. The U.S. political landscape isn't lining up with their expectations. This frightens them on a deep level, making them react in an irrational way (by doubling down).
Needless negativity... so what do you do when you lose over and over? You're happy about it? You're happy about how regardless of all your efforts you're still fucking losing?
THIS. I don't give Doomers one minute of my time. It's more about the type of people they are and the way they think. They probly value being right alot too (hedging for a negative outcome and not wanting to appear like they were expecting this to work = foolish or deluded).
I can see if Trump's team didn't have a crapton of compelling evidence and eyewitness testimony... but they do.
That should produce confidence
They also tend to be among the most ignorant. They rarely ever know what the fuck they're talking about, and usually sound as if they are brand new to politics.
We don't know all the details of what happened. My personal theory is they had the votes for an override, and Trump felt that signing in exchange for promises and then playing them inevitably breaking those promises for good PR was the lesser evil.
Trump's not God, even he can't win 'em all.
But fuck's sake, acknowledge the reality that this was not a positive outcome for us, don't just default to "98234789324D chess, trust the plan, anyone who doesn't trust the plan is a doomer!"
I guess we shouldn't be surprised people have attached their identity to the president and see any criticism of signing this bill as an attack on themselves.
I actually don't mind that so much, this is supposed to be pro-Trump no matter what and anti-Trump types invade regularly. Mods have a hard time dealing, and the rules can't demand careful analysis every time.
But fuck's sake, acknowledge the reality that this was not a positive outcome for us, don't just default to "98234789324D chess, trust the plan, anyone who doesn't trust the plan is a doomer!"
I've been reading this site forever and honestly the amount of non-thinking that's going on is scary. There's plenty of people who know what's going on but there's a fuckton of people who have no clue what's going on and accept whatever fake news they see. I've been called a shill for pointing out how some shit a lot of people here seem to believe is false, there's no real thinking.
People need to realize that this site has been turning into /r/politics, it's just that what's supported is different.
MAGA is a movement which basically only exists because of patriotism, strong moral compass, and critical thinking. The left on the other hand are brainwashed sheep, so bad at this point they can’t even believe their own eyes anymore. Like when they see a video of voter fraud in GA and think it’s “debunked.”
So we are critical thinkers, if we apply critical thinking to MAGA leaders or decisions, suddenly that’s dooming? Trump has been backstabbed and betrayed by dozens, hundreds of people. More critical thinking and less “4d chess” would have prevented that.
I suspect from the start the “trust the plan” meme was a psychological attack to get people to do literally nothing all year while liberties were stripped one by one.
Everyone here hates the lockdowns and that piece of shit rat, Fauci, is still the public face of COVID. Why? “Trust the plan.” Imagine an alternate realty where Fauci was fired in March, HCQ was widely used, and “slow the spread” only lasted for 15 days. Fauci is the cause of all that and nobody stopped him because they thought Fauci being a rat piece of shit was some kind of secret plan.
So if "trust the plan" didn't exist, Fauci would've been fired, because Fauci was worshipped as a hero all over TD because of "trust the plan"?
Does that mean that Trump "trusts the plan"? Because he is the one who has, and has always had, the power to fire him whether or not Qboomers "worship Fauci" (???)
Fauci is a slimy rat that no one here likes, and therefore the left loves him.
We need more sheep, too much critical thinking going on around here.
Careful, you'll get called a glowie for that kind of talk. God forbid you have the balls to speak up.
I don't think anyone saying "trust the plan" means "trust the plan, while doing nothing." Right now, that plan clearly is focused on the 6th. Our role is that of a force multiplier, though a visual "show of force."
Every man woman and child needs to be bombarding every relevant office holder you can with calls, texts, emails, letters, faxes, in person visits. You then have to show up on Jan 6th. Should we need to keep going after that....someone start charging mags...
"Take Action"... what kind?? YOU don't seem to have a concise plan either. Dude, we HAVE been protesting and showing up to events - what has that done exactly other than prove we're not backing down. What, you want another big protest?? Where? Do we go out rioting? Holding guns up in the air & making demands?? What will that do to get Trump's 2nd term and PROVE ELECTION FRAUD? Imo, any fight should come if the clear evidence fails to get Deep State to accept it - THEN they've stolen this country with illegal election and I can see going out for that purpose.
Good planning is "doing shit." You can't make up for years of inactivity by being impatient now. Are you going to DC? Read the posts, plan it well. The pats are waking up...it's all good.
like crabs in a bucket
This place is quickly turning into 4chan, not that long ago there were very few people calling other pedes 'faggots" and "shills" and "glowies".
Nah, we’ve been called /pol/‘s retarded younger brother since 2015. It’s just that if you were on reddit towards the end, the speech policing got pretty heavy. This is just the natural progression of lack of censorship.
Go back to Reedit, Nerd.
Eat a dick, faggot.
Dooming is disinfo as well. It demoralizes and turns an uphill battle into a foregone conclusion.
I appreciate discussion and valid doubts, but blackpilling is just as, if not more damaging than blind faith. Shit can actually get done by pure force of will. Remember that.
Ok, but calling everyone who raises a question a “doomer” is becoming the “white supremacy ” argument of the Donald...it’s losing all meaning because it’s over applied. I think most people who come here start from a position of skepticism, and we shouldn’t be slapping people down for asking questions and raising concerns. That’s our greatest strength, so let’s be careful about the name calling.
We really need to return to a differentiation between ‘dooming’ and ‘concern trolling’.
There are valid concerns that can be brought up without acting as a demoralizer like concern trolls do. “I am concerned about Trump’s action on this, someone explain more info” vs “I love Trump, but this is really concerning, maybe he’s compromised/unable to act”, which casts doubt on Trump and makes him seem potentially useless or corrupt, in violation of rule #1.
Dooming, as it started and I still view it, is just blackpilling. There are days when every Pede gets into a funk, but no matter what happens, it’s never as bad as we imagine it will be. 4 years of Trump have shown that he is not to be underestimated. If we are in a funk, it’s not a good time to be spreading negativity all over others that might be pushed into a dooming frenzy of their own. I think a lot of this is actual infiltration, but we should be aware of ourselves. Lift each other up, not demoralize.
I know a lot of newer Pedes come from other news sites, and those comment sections are full of angst. TDW can be a positive place without complacency or being unrealistic.
I missed where Uri Geller had entered the chat.
Indeed, but one could argue that foreign interests would benefit much more greatly by fomenting civil unrest (let alone war) rather than just demoralizing a major US political faction. Have to consider the geopolitical angles just as much as the domestic ones.
Which is kinda hilarious in itself seeing as how 'the line' is constantly being shifted with every mistake, compromise, capitulation, or undesirable outcome. And as a result, it is always shifted back, never forward. We always lose ground, never gain ground. We're always on defense, never offense.
And they report on each failed bullet point like they are witnessing a miracle from heaven. They just can't psychologically cope with reality.
lol.
Welcome to conservativism since the 1960s.
Then it will become "hold the line till the midterms!"
Rinse, repeat.
It's why I don't take any calls for patience seriously anymore. Been hearing the same bullshit for 4 years now, and it never amounts to anything but complacency and compromise.
We have way too many submissive pussies, and way too few actual patriots.
My cousin is like that. But she's also very religious and believes its Gods plan that Trump serve two terms. Idk how the spin will go if that idiot takes office come inauguration day, but I'm sure it too will be a part of the plan. But God love them, she is part of a large group of decent, salt of the earth, Patriot people. I wish I had their undying faith that come what may, its Gods will and they have a truly unending belief that good will win in the end. To them its a spiritual battle of good versus evil and there is no surrender, ever.
Well the plan doesn't mention two consecutive terms.
Trust the plan is a meme, the plan was to win the election on election night and avoid all possible fraud, well that didn't work... then the plan was to go to court and get something going, well that didn't work... then the plan was the massive Kraken, well that didn't work... then the plan was to get your cases rejected quickly in order to get to SCOTUS, well that didn't work... then the plan was something about some date in December and some EO, well that didn't work... then the plan was the Texas lawsuit, well that didn't work... now the plan is Jan 6th.
If you truly believe the plan was to end up having to call for a massive rally on Jan 6th then you're fucking wrong, we're talking plan Z here, because all previous plans fucking failed. Anyone here truly believes that this is the ideal scenario? Ideally the fraud would've been stopped, that was plan A and it failed, there were a lot of subsequent "plans" and they all failed, one could argue they didn't really fail because it was all to build popular support for Jan 6th, but let's be real here, anyone really believe that? Anyone actually thinks Trump wanted SCOTUS to give him the finger instead of actually listening to the case and ruling in his favor?
This is all common sense and very basic logic, if you fail to understand my point and still believe "It'S aLl PaRt Of ThE PlAn" then you're as retarded as your average /r/politics user.
Yeah, don't think and don't question or you'll get labeled a 'doomer faggot.' How horrible. Getting called names is so much worse than blindly jumping into the viper's pit that is communism.
I just don't get why questioning or criticizing this decision equals not supporting Trump. He's the best president this country has ever had, thus far, but he's human and, ergo, not perfect. The choice to sign these shitty bills and count on the integrity of hundreds of people who, combined, don't have enough to fill a thimble, is nuts.
Its cognitive dissonance, in essence. The U.S. political landscape isn't lining up with their expectations. This frightens them on a deep level, making them react in an irrational way (by doubling down).
No it’s irrational to assume that your analysis is so valuable that the world needs to hear it, regardless of how it serves the enemy’s purpose.
No they are practical, and are tired of needless negativity. Every single comment you have ever made is negative.
We aren’t campaign strategists. We have ONE job, and that is organizing for the 6th.
We are in a disinformation war, where the goal of the other side is demoralization. I don’t understand why this isn’t obvious.
We’re not a simple discussion board. We have a mission.
Needless negativity... so what do you do when you lose over and over? You're happy about it? You're happy about how regardless of all your efforts you're still fucking losing?
There is one’s own fear. Then there is spreading it to others.
Fear paralyzes.
What we need more of is angry resolve.
THIS. I don't give Doomers one minute of my time. It's more about the type of people they are and the way they think. They probly value being right alot too (hedging for a negative outcome and not wanting to appear like they were expecting this to work = foolish or deluded). I can see if Trump's team didn't have a crapton of compelling evidence and eyewitness testimony... but they do. That should produce confidence
Forgot 'Someone drink too much soy'
They also tend to be among the most ignorant. They rarely ever know what the fuck they're talking about, and usually sound as if they are brand new to politics.
False. The doomers are gammas and smart boys, who think their thinking is special. It is not.
We don't know all the details of what happened. My personal theory is they had the votes for an override, and Trump felt that signing in exchange for promises and then playing them inevitably breaking those promises for good PR was the lesser evil.
Trump's not God, even he can't win 'em all.
But fuck's sake, acknowledge the reality that this was not a positive outcome for us, don't just default to "98234789324D chess, trust the plan, anyone who doesn't trust the plan is a doomer!"
I guess we shouldn't be surprised people have attached their identity to the president and see any criticism of signing this bill as an attack on themselves.
Trying to warn people of the pitfalls of this strategy--making the movement about the man, rather than the philosophy--got me downvoted in 2016, too.
And here we are.
He's made other mistakes since then, too. But anything short of blind faith was met with the same reactions every time.
I'm with you. We should always take into account people's differences, or need to question everything.
I actually don't mind that so much, this is supposed to be pro-Trump no matter what and anti-Trump types invade regularly. Mods have a hard time dealing, and the rules can't demand careful analysis every time.
It should get you downvoted now, too. Because this site is literally about the man.
Exactly.
I've been reading this site forever and honestly the amount of non-thinking that's going on is scary. There's plenty of people who know what's going on but there's a fuckton of people who have no clue what's going on and accept whatever fake news they see. I've been called a shill for pointing out how some shit a lot of people here seem to believe is false, there's no real thinking.
People need to realize that this site has been turning into /r/politics, it's just that what's supported is different.
MAGA is a movement which basically only exists because of patriotism, strong moral compass, and critical thinking. The left on the other hand are brainwashed sheep, so bad at this point they can’t even believe their own eyes anymore. Like when they see a video of voter fraud in GA and think it’s “debunked.”
So we are critical thinkers, if we apply critical thinking to MAGA leaders or decisions, suddenly that’s dooming? Trump has been backstabbed and betrayed by dozens, hundreds of people. More critical thinking and less “4d chess” would have prevented that.
I suspect from the start the “trust the plan” meme was a psychological attack to get people to do literally nothing all year while liberties were stripped one by one.
Everyone here hates the lockdowns and that piece of shit rat, Fauci, is still the public face of COVID. Why? “Trust the plan.” Imagine an alternate realty where Fauci was fired in March, HCQ was widely used, and “slow the spread” only lasted for 15 days. Fauci is the cause of all that and nobody stopped him because they thought Fauci being a rat piece of shit was some kind of secret plan.
So if "trust the plan" didn't exist, Fauci would've been fired, because Fauci was worshipped as a hero all over TD because of "trust the plan"?
Does that mean that Trump "trusts the plan"? Because he is the one who has, and has always had, the power to fire him whether or not Qboomers "worship Fauci" (???) Fauci is a slimy rat that no one here likes, and therefore the left loves him.