Treat them like Cuba. And tell any country that does business with china, it's us or them. If they want our exports and want to sell their exports here, you cut off China entirely.
I agree -- reality is we have this crazy thing called the internet now. It seems some people are unfamiliar with this new fangled contraption. We can contact any other country whenever we need to and do our diplomacy without an actual UN body, especially when they're entire existence revolves around them trying to put US in place -- according to where THEY think our place should be. F**K THAT
So true, these globalist organizations are out of date and the real diplomacy originates from the people communicating by the internet. The UN et al. is a legacy item which has become a tyrannical cancer.
agreed -- all that needs to happen is for all the other countries to do their diplomacy, spending countless hours of back and forth and then drop us an email to see if we approve it!
A fucking men dude!!! Without the US consumer, they're so fucked. We need to create an anti-China coalition with Japan, Korea, India, and Australia to fuck the CCP and ban their products from our market.
Either we, the United States of America, come first in our nation, or some "power player" or parasite in the world will try to rob us of our nation and economic powerhouse built by us.
Don't shoot me, it will take some time to source everything domestically. Some medicines or drugs are made with materials only available in China. Those will have to be sorted out first.
Remember when GEOTUS cut off steel & aluminum imports from Canada, EU, and Mexico and the world went berserk
Because China sneaks in steel & aluminum to those countries and then those countries either relabel it or use the Chinese steel locally and export their local production
About twenty five years too late for that I'm afraid. The Chinese were once little better than North Korea in terms of their economy. They were behind the French of all things, right up until Bill Clinton decided to normalize economic relations with them.
The Democrats spent decades betraying America to the Soviets, so they were really put out when Reagan beat them down(and for his many flaws, Reagan did see to the death of the USSR more than any other single person). So within a scant few years of the USSR dissolving, the Democrats decided to create a new communist super power to destroy Western Civilization. We are now living through the consequences of that choice, and all because we allow leftists to have a say in this nation. All because of so called "democracy."
This does have to happen, however it will lead very quickly to a hot war. China is reliant on American soy beans and other goods. Look what happened in WW2 with the Japanese: The U.S. initiated an oil embargo against a country that was reliant on importing American oil for their industries. Roosevelt needed an excuse to get American into WW2 and so he provoked the Japanese into attacking. Also go and dig into the advance warning that we had of the Pearl Harbor attack and how Roosevelt knowingly allowed it to take place.
We really do have to extricate ourselves from Chinese imports. A total embargo would be great, but would be prelude to all-out world war. Ideally, the Chinese should crumble from within a la USSR, but I don't know what kind of internal conditions there would have to be in order for that to happen. CCP may indeed be too powerful for that to occur.
I legit tried to avoid buying anything from China. It's just not possible without completely altering your way of life. We would need a transition period to claw back tons of manufacturing in order to pull it off.
This sounds great until you look at the reality of the situation.
It would kill our economy and wipe out all kinds of businesses because they would have no product to sell in about a month. China wouldn't just hand back our tooling and designs and so forth, so not only would you have to set up new factories here, you'd be starting from scratch with everything.
The costs would be astronomical. And then you'd be fighting environmental cases, NIMBYs, and God knows what else to get those plants up and running.
If you want to cut off trade from China then you have to prepare for it by changing laws to favor made in the USA products and allow companies to transition back to making enough things here that when you cut it off it won't totally disrupt the supply chain.
It's not propaganda to point out how reliant our economy currently is on products made in China. Clothes, electronics, furniture, toys, even some medicines and other things that never should have been sent there to be made in the first place.
I know because I run a small business and one of my manufacturers was openly frank about why his production went to China. He literally cannot get some of the work done in the US due to environmental insanity, and if he farms out only that portion he loses too much product to damage because of absurd US consumer protection laws.
I have no issue with getting production the hell out of China. There was some motion that way simply because costs have increased there too.
I'm just telling you it won't come back here because we have a lot of bullshit laws that make it impossible to work here, or would cause the product's price to be so high no one would buy it. I don't mean 10% higher, more like 100% higher.
And cutting it off cold turkey would cause a huge domino effect of problems here because you can't just flip a switch and start making things someplace else overnight.
Treat them like Cuba. And tell any country that does business with china, it's us or them. If they want our exports and want to sell their exports here, you cut off China entirely.
Screw all the American companies who set up shop in China.
100% with you on that! Almost all big businesses have lobbyists bribing... I-I-I mean "persuading" Congress on China First trade deals.
exactly -- kick them out of the World Trade Organization -- they proved they weren't ready to be admitted to begin with
We need to ban the World Economic Forum, CFR and UN too.
I agree -- reality is we have this crazy thing called the internet now. It seems some people are unfamiliar with this new fangled contraption. We can contact any other country whenever we need to and do our diplomacy without an actual UN body, especially when they're entire existence revolves around them trying to put US in place -- according to where THEY think our place should be. F**K THAT
So true, these globalist organizations are out of date and the real diplomacy originates from the people communicating by the internet. The UN et al. is a legacy item which has become a tyrannical cancer.
agreed -- all that needs to happen is for all the other countries to do their diplomacy, spending countless hours of back and forth and then drop us an email to see if we approve it!
A fucking men dude!!! Without the US consumer, they're so fucked. We need to create an anti-China coalition with Japan, Korea, India, and Australia to fuck the CCP and ban their products from our market.
They will be starving in a year.
I can live without buying some stuff for a year ... lets see how they can live without money to import food.
Bring manufacturing back to America! I'll take an economic boost over China taking over the world.
But are you willing to pay more for consumer goods not made by slave labor?
Yeah, me too.
And Europe should do the same too. It means killing off Amazon too.
Trade? Nah fam, we send them humanitarian aid IN ADDITION TO PAYING OFF LUR DEBTS TO THEM WITH INTEREST. I wish it was just trade.
We need several decades of isolationism to get rid of the deep rooted corruption and fix our shit
Either we, the United States of America, come first in our nation, or some "power player" or parasite in the world will try to rob us of our nation and economic powerhouse built by us.
Don't shoot me, it will take some time to source everything domestically. Some medicines or drugs are made with materials only available in China. Those will have to be sorted out first.
Yes it's truly stunning and scary the amount of pharmaceutical we rely on China for.
Easier said than done.
Remember when GEOTUS cut off steel & aluminum imports from Canada, EU, and Mexico and the world went berserk
Because China sneaks in steel & aluminum to those countries and then those countries either relabel it or use the Chinese steel locally and export their local production
The world went berserk and did what, though? Wrote some mean editorials in their defunct newspapers?
About twenty five years too late for that I'm afraid. The Chinese were once little better than North Korea in terms of their economy. They were behind the French of all things, right up until Bill Clinton decided to normalize economic relations with them.
The Democrats spent decades betraying America to the Soviets, so they were really put out when Reagan beat them down(and for his many flaws, Reagan did see to the death of the USSR more than any other single person). So within a scant few years of the USSR dissolving, the Democrats decided to create a new communist super power to destroy Western Civilization. We are now living through the consequences of that choice, and all because we allow leftists to have a say in this nation. All because of so called "democracy."
Embargo on China goods immediately
This does have to happen, however it will lead very quickly to a hot war. China is reliant on American soy beans and other goods. Look what happened in WW2 with the Japanese: The U.S. initiated an oil embargo against a country that was reliant on importing American oil for their industries. Roosevelt needed an excuse to get American into WW2 and so he provoked the Japanese into attacking. Also go and dig into the advance warning that we had of the Pearl Harbor attack and how Roosevelt knowingly allowed it to take place.
We really do have to extricate ourselves from Chinese imports. A total embargo would be great, but would be prelude to all-out world war. Ideally, the Chinese should crumble from within a la USSR, but I don't know what kind of internal conditions there would have to be in order for that to happen. CCP may indeed be too powerful for that to occur.
I legit tried to avoid buying anything from China. It's just not possible without completely altering your way of life. We would need a transition period to claw back tons of manufacturing in order to pull it off.
This sounds great until you look at the reality of the situation.
It would kill our economy and wipe out all kinds of businesses because they would have no product to sell in about a month. China wouldn't just hand back our tooling and designs and so forth, so not only would you have to set up new factories here, you'd be starting from scratch with everything.
The costs would be astronomical. And then you'd be fighting environmental cases, NIMBYs, and God knows what else to get those plants up and running.
If you want to cut off trade from China then you have to prepare for it by changing laws to favor made in the USA products and allow companies to transition back to making enough things here that when you cut it off it won't totally disrupt the supply chain.
It's not propaganda to point out how reliant our economy currently is on products made in China. Clothes, electronics, furniture, toys, even some medicines and other things that never should have been sent there to be made in the first place.
I know because I run a small business and one of my manufacturers was openly frank about why his production went to China. He literally cannot get some of the work done in the US due to environmental insanity, and if he farms out only that portion he loses too much product to damage because of absurd US consumer protection laws.
I have no issue with getting production the hell out of China. There was some motion that way simply because costs have increased there too.
I'm just telling you it won't come back here because we have a lot of bullshit laws that make it impossible to work here, or would cause the product's price to be so high no one would buy it. I don't mean 10% higher, more like 100% higher.
And cutting it off cold turkey would cause a huge domino effect of problems here because you can't just flip a switch and start making things someplace else overnight.