You should be employed full-time to be able to vote in America
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Maybe, but I’m leaning towards no. Not with schools and universities being the liberal indoctrination centers that they are. And especially not if tuition debts is to be forgiven.
One of the things that made me a hard-right conservative was when I saw how much I paid in taxes. That needs to happen before someone votes.
Personally I am willing to give up my ability to vote when I do not have a full time job, in the interest of people voting who will not vote for more social programs.
Interesting thought.
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Yes yes yes!!!
I agree, but in a different way.
No one should vote unless they pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. Anyone who is a net drain on society should be allowed to vote for more free stuff for themselves.
*should not be Agreed.
Absolutely!
I'd also like to require the feds get all their funding from states. Or international tariffs.
That means no federal income taxes, etc.
And while we're at it, no more Social Security, fed welfare, and bailouts for banks, airlines, Pakistan, etc.
Why are you conflating how I believe individuals should be allowed to vote with how the states vote? That’s very disingenuous.
If you have no skin in the game, via income taxes, why should you be allowed to vote? Why should people be allowed to vote for free stuff for themselves?
I would think there would be obvious exceptions for things like people in the military.
Go fuck yourself. People like you piss me off. Obviously people in the military would be exempted from this. Obviously there would be exceptions to the rule. Why do you have to make a Jack-ass counter argument like this? Clearly you aren’t here for a serious debate. Fucking stupid. Clearly my idea is a good one because assholes like you have no counter-argument other than something fucking stupid like “duhhhhhhhh what about the militaries??!???” Good grief. No wonder this country is fucked. No one wants to think critically.
I already fucking said there would be obvious exceptions to the rule. Any other stupid counter points you want to make?
You are correct if, by tribute, you mean poll taxes intended to dissuade voters. However, universal taxes don't fall into the same category.
I think about it in terms of who has a legitimate interest in how the government operates. Obviously citizens and, by nature of a sovereign nation, only citizens. Since the government is established to protect the nation, we can limit it further to people who own land. And since money is needed, from the population, in order for the government to operate, we can limit it further to people who contribute.
The one counter argument is that all citizens deserve due process, equal representation in courts, etc., regardless of land and taxes, and therefor should not be considered second class citizens.
When they unleash a "pandemic" that forces people that work to join the ranks of the unemployed, this plan may not age so well.
This is an interesting counter point.
What stops unemployed people from declaring themselves full-time self-employed, just that they don't make any income? ("I'm a full-time blogger. I have a patreon. Therefore I'm eligible to vote.")
What stops companies from only offering people part-time work until they prove they'd vote for the party the company supports?
Obviously loopholes need to be worked out. But I still support this
I take it further. No one should vote if they don’t pay anything in taxes.
Except just about everyone does. Sales taxes. The Boston Tea Party was because the British government tried to impose a sales tax (when income tax wasn't a thing) on people who weren't represented in government. You pay sales tax? You should get a vote.
The sales tax is a cost paid by companies that is passed in to you.
I’m talking strictly income taxes.
Income taxes were supposed to be a temporary measure for the war effort. We shouldn't have them at all, and you want them to be leverage for voting?
I concur, but unless we take up arms, income taxes aren’t going away. So we might as well leverage them to our benefit.
uh then a ton of us pedes wouldn't get to vote.
You should also be a property owner, and at least 25 years old too. Your brain isn't finished developing until your 25.
Just think of the stupid shit you were doing at 18.
What would you define as property?
Home owner.
Hard disagree
Why do you support people voting for free stuff for themselves?
Im a proponent of the net positive tax payer being allowed to vote. Some one that contributes positively can vote and someone who is a drain on society (welfare) cant until they are proficient
Agreed!!!
You do realize they put how many people/businesses out of work with Covid?
I appreciate what you're trying to say here, but under this system unemployment would be a lot higher. The last thing I need is my private employer going on a power trip during election years, and deciding that none of his employees get to vote this year because he just scaled everyone's hours back.
Then there's retirees and those who have enough through work, inheritance, etc that they can live off of investment income and do whatever they want. Are you going to deprive them of their right to vote because you work full time?
Kind of a bad idea. Why don't you change my mind?
No. You should pay a net positive in taxes every election cycle to be able to vote. Add your taxes paid and minus your entitlements like food stamps, etc. if you even paid one dollar during the time period you get a voting card, if not, you don’t vote.
It really doesn’t matter who is allowed to vote when the vote counters can choose who the winner will be.
Having a job is not the same as skin in the game. Consider the county worker leaning on a shovel... The teachers who sit around and complain instead of teach, the Health Dept. clerk with all the public health answers, but no medical expertise...
Only veterans should be allowed to vote; change my mind
and you shouldnt not be able to vote to raise someone elses taxes
This is retarded guy. Regardless of Your job status as long as you are not an illegal or felon.
Why do you believe people who are a net drain on society should be allowed to vote for free stuff for themselves?
I tend to agree with this
A net on society? You sound like some glowie trying to start shit.
People are poor. People are rich.
People who are poor want to be rich. Some come from bad homes. It’s not their faults. Sometimes society favors one side.
None of that prevents the other from calling themselves American.
You didn’t answer the question. Why do you believe people should be allowed to vote for free stuff for themselves while they contribute nothing?
I did answer the question. Because just because they are poor doesn’t make them any less American.
Sorry I had to dumb it down for you since you couldn’t understand what I was getting at
I’m dumb, but you call me a glowie? Make that make sense.
It’s called sowing a divide. What lame glowies do. Do literally no reason.
I think you should have to own land.
Exactly what my husband has alway said.
IIRC, 200 years ago, you had to own land to be able to vote.
How about...
Citizen & Property tax receipt &
Pay more taxes than individual benefits received
There is a intentional loophole that allows people, who rent, to share the property tax bill.
Or military service. Guarantees lifetime eligability.
Employed or own land. One or the other. If you have both you get two votes.
I'm perfectly fine with one vote per household.
Why would I leave the fate of our country to worker bees? It's the business owners and inventors and artists and visionaries and tradesmen who move this country forward! Plain simple workers have no business voting!
See? it's pretty stupid to exclude a whole set of people. everyone counts. the stay at home wife, the starving artist, the 9-5er, the entrepreneur, we're all Americans pursuing our own vision of freedom and happiness.
If anything, the full time employee has less time and energy to research and contemplate politics, making him more exploitable as a low information voter...but that doesn't mean we take that sacred right away from him
No. I believe in the housewife who stays at home and raises the children. I believe the elderly have a right to retire. I believe in college students who can devote their time to studies. These people have the right to vote.
Anyone who is not a landowner who takes more from the Treasury than they contribute in taxes should not be allowed to vote.
Agree with caveats... Veterans, you serve 10 years no combat you can vote for life. Serve 90 days in combat, vote for life.
Dumb fuk distraction!
Here in the great blue insanity employers cut you off at 37 hours so that they can avoid certain benefit requirements. They also like to keep people at 20hrs so they get reductions on certain taxes. Our self employed household would not be able to vote, we don't pull 40 either, we don't have to. This plan would help the left where I live.
As someone who has lost a job due to their business unit being sold by the parent company, I don't support this. I get the sentiment but this isn't the proper execution.
I prefer some kind of test that weeds out the low information voter but again, I don't know how that would be administered fairly.
I have to call this BULL SHIT. If you are a legal American Citizen and you register to vote, which every legal America should, has the right to vote. Lets follow the Constitutution. Only democrats pull out what parts of the Constitution they want to follow. Just saying....
So youre right to vote is depenend on youre employer? How is "full time" defined?
If you could vote in America, and have it counted, then you'd be employed full-time. Everyone would!
The problem isn't too many people voting, the problem is the biased censorship of information preventing people from learning about all the shit Biden does, meanwhile they spread lies about Trump without allowing anyone to question it.
Then there's election fraud, dead people voting, people voting multiple times, no id validation and plenty of other issues.
Unless you work for any government.
idea is ok, implementation would suck
this is retarded. why does someone who operates their own business under the radar not have rights to vote but the stoned guy with blue hair handing me my big mac can because he works at McDonalds... Fuck government, Taxation is theft, rules applied equally to everyone or its tyranny.
You are supposed to pay taxes.
I think the best solution to this isn't employment, but taxation. If you pay money to the government, you should be able to vote. That being said, taxation is theft and I'm not represented anyway so fuck it
I’ve said this my whole life! I will say it until the day I die. If you’re a worthless, no good, criminal, living off the government already....you have nothing to lose when you vote. You should have no voice. Just my opinion.
The elites would just fire everyone and move manufacturing overseas, loby to Jack up business taxes to 120% and make opening a business impossible.
Ya know, what they are doing now but less subtle
I don’t technically have skin in the game. I’m a 100% disabled combat vet. The gubmint pays me to exist. Even then, I am fine with losing my right to vote, because I understand that I do NOT pay taxes and shouldn’t have a say in where people’s money goes.
Also, because I will willingly part with my right to vote with the understanding that other, LESS honorable drains on society will not be able to dictate the expenditures of this country. I can get behind that sort of legislation.
2 reasons: 1) I'm retired, not employed full-time any longer, but I think it important that my accrued knowledge of history and politics help determine the direction of this country. 2) By the simple expedient of not hiring people, this would allow employers to determine who can vote -- and I don't want Bezos, Zuckerberg, and their ilk to be the arbiters of voting eligibility.
I was and they took my job...
Quadratic voting, potentially with credits awarded based on taxes paid.
Here is the Quadratic Voting formula: Cost to the voter = (Number of votes)^2
Imagine that a vote generally costs $1 to put toward an issue, and you have $100 of voting credits. You want to cast your vote toward protecting endangered species. Casting one vote will cost you $1. However, casting two votes for the same issue will cost you $4, casting three votes for the same issue will cost you $9 and casting 10 votes for the same issue will cost you your entire $100 of credits.
Counter argument:
Bill Gates
Jeff Bezos
Mark Zuckerberg
Sergey Brin & Larry Page
Tim Cook
Rothchilds
George Soros
That's a list of names, not an argument.
Let's say a vote is a dollar (which is not what I said) and a billionaire wants to drop a hundred million on an election. That would only yield 10k votes (10,000 * 10,000 = 100,000,000).
This is already not bad. Ten votes is only $100. The billionaire will have very little sway in a contest against thousands of working and middle class people. And those with no skin in the game (no earnings) are effectively excluded.
Credits improve on this even more: So let's say every $1000 of taxes paid gives you 1 credit. A billionaire (who actually pays personal taxes) might end up with 10,000-100,000 credits. This would give him a mere ~100-300 votes. Working and middle class individuals would easily end up with 10+ votes.
Occam's Razor. Keep it simple.
The more rules you make, the more loopholes people will exploit.
Those activists I listed will not pool their trillion dollars to buy 100,000 votes. They'll buy a million voters, give them each a grand (a billion dollars isn't that much), and get 10 votes for each.
Or forget that whole mess, they'll manipulate the tally process to weight the votes for their candidate (where did I just hear about that?) more than the others.
Again, keep it simple, and make it easy to discover fraud.
Occam's Razor: the smallest comment with the fewest letters is correct.
So you want control of the government and other people's money without having any personal stake in it.
Sure, for a long time it was only property owners who were permitted to vote. As soon as everyone was given the right to vote while paying nothing into the government, they immediately voted themselves a portion of the largess.