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Aiur1776 [S] 34 points ago +36 / -2

Sister is an assistant at a doctors office. Took one of the COVID vaccines today, for a disease that probably would have just given her a few bad days. Now she's Hospitalized. Otherwise healthy 23 year old. I warned my entire family not to take it. Nobody listens to me.

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IncredibleMrE1 17 points ago +18 / -1

Sometimes people only learn the hard way. Sorry to hear that.

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DeusVult2020 12 points ago +12 / -0

If she's unable to have children in the future, don't let anyone forget about this vax

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Mythologick 3 points ago +4 / -1

Anyone dumb enough to take the vaccine for a virus that might make you cough for a few days probably isn’t smart enough to connect the dots that the “vaccine” sterilized them.

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novembergirl 4 points ago +4 / -0

I guess now is a good time to red pill them about Biden and the NWO's plans to kill 90% of humanity.

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cheesygorditacrunch4 4 points ago +4 / -0

Be gentle but stern in reinforcing your point.

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Tucso 4 points ago +5 / -1

Hopefully they listen now.

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LilyBee24 30 points ago +31 / -1

Sorry to hear that.... hope she recovers quickly.

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Recluse74 13 points ago +13 / -0

+1 to this...

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BajoPivljanin 23 points ago +23 / -0

I've probably left 50 similar comments, but I'll do it again (molecular biologist, 10 years of experience)

The main problem is that it's mRNA vaccine, something that was never tried before, so we have no clue what could happen

Now, what could go wrong:

  • mRNA is is made in such a way that it can enter cells, so the cells could produce virus proteins, and after that... No problem
  • problem is that mRNA is entering everything it finds, just the matter of chance
  • problem, there are 200 different tissues, if you ask a histologist and at least thousands if we observe them as molecular biologists
  • is it possible that not a single one of them will induce any autoimmune response? Maybe... Maybe not...

Is it worth trying for cancer treatment? Yes, give me two, now!

Is it worth trying for covid? Absolutely not

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theglynn 2 points ago +2 / -0

Your post here is excellent. Is reading material available that explains this for someone like me to pass to family?

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BajoPivljanin 1 point ago +1 / -0

There are solid reviews, but... It must be read between the lines as well

This one is from 2016, and lipid nanoparticles were something new

https://www.future-science.com/doi/pdf/10.4155/tde-2016-0006

Problem is... It will enter every single type of cells, as all of them have the same membrane.

This is why for cancer it's ok, just poke it into it, or from this paper

mRNA can be injected directly in the LNs

This one goes in arm...

Another challenge is that detailed mechanistic knowledge, for example, of how LNPs assist in endocytosis and endosomal escape, is still lacking, thereby making the rational improvement or design of LNPs very difficult

Not really lacking, but I don't know what physics could do that...

Much like the expression of luciferase is a standard for mRNA-based protein replacement therapeutics, the mRNA vaccine community needs to establish its own standards

Again, for cancer, poke me! What can I lose?! For covid - poke your mom

The first DNA vaccine entered clinical trials almost 20 years ago without a single product licensed for use in humans

Promising = doesn't work, give us more money, and it will not work :D

Review from 2018:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243.pdf?origin=ppub

HIV, melanoma, solid tumors... Ok... But...

Why being the first to try?

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theglynn 2 points ago +2 / -0

So if you get Covid itself it only impacts certain cells?

I also do not understand how they can call it a vaccine? If you are lucky enough to not have side effects via autoimmune system response then what good does it do?

Thanks for sharing the links. Thus helps me explain the situation to my daughters.

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BajoPivljanin 1 point ago +1 / -0

So if you get Covid itself it only impacts certain cells?

Of course, and this is why they needed to put the swab deep, deep into the nose, to touch the tissue. Or, why it's ok to work with someone with HIV. There is no HIV in dandruffs for example.

This is also the reason why droplets created by talking are absolute nonsense. Covid, and every respiratory virus lives deeper, towards the lungs. Otherwise, our mouth and tong would hurt. Of course, the whole point of saliva and its enzymes is to create the first defense against - everything coming from the air.

In order to "cough" the virus out, we need symptoms. So... Shouting 100 db, or coughing spreads the virus. Talking, doing nothing - doesn't, it would not be favorable from evolutionary point.

There are 2 options, be without the symptoms, and spread without the symptoms, be attractive to people.

Or... Live in such a place that symptoms are needed to spread the infection.

In other words, having covid, spreading asymptomatically is the same as expecting to see Corvette on rock crawling trail. Yes... It's... Possible...

I also do not understand how they can call it a vaccine?

Good point, as this is something completely new

If you are lucky enough to not have side effects via autoimmune system response then what good does it do?

Well, our cells will produce virus' proteins instead of injecting crippled viruses with those same proteins, as we used to do. After that it will be fine. In theory, mRNA will be soon degraded and that's how it ends.

Unless... For some reason... Protein stays, interacts with some other proteins... Becomes stuck somewhere...

I know, I know, low probability, and this is why I would try it for serious disease and not for covid.

For manufacturers, it's easier. Get the suitable protein sequence, make RNA that will code it, help it enter the cells - done!

Is it safe - probably Would I try it among the first - no :D

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Arden 1 point ago +3 / -2

Wasn't the measles vaccine mrna?

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BajoPivljanin 6 points ago +6 / -0

No? The first concepts were developed in early 90's on cell cultures and in late 90's on some lab animals

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Aiur1776 [S] 19 points ago +19 / -0

Here is a summary of what happened after talking with her:

They are required to stay with a nurse for 15 minutes.

About 5 minutes after taking the Vaccine her heart rate spiked to 198, and then stayed at an elevated level for several minutes. Shortly after that she began to lose feeling in her extremities. A Nurse noticed her left pupil was heavily dilated.

She was given Benadryl and is on an IV. They assumed it was an allergic reaction to something. Will probably be leaving shortly (Has been there several hours at this point).

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RONIN808 5 points ago +5 / -0

I hope she manages to make a full recovery - and I hope some of her friends and family learn a valuable lesson.

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BidensBrainWorm 1 point ago +1 / -0

I just keep wondering if covid vaccine will reveal that vaccinations in general are responsible for causing major life threatening allergies....

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Hangemh1gh 7 points ago +7 / -0

Friendly advice to take or leave as you please, help out your mom & sister. If she's sick from the vaccine then they should already know you're right. If this doesn't red pill them then nothing will anyways. So do the right thing.

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FarmingLeftBollocks 6 points ago +7 / -1

A rushed vaccine is a dangerous vaccine. It's so foolish.

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BeFreeToNotBeDumb 4 points ago +4 / -0

Damn; I'm real sorry to hear that. My brother and sister in law want it when they can. Tried to ask them questions to get them to understand the areas of risk. Not saying it worked, but it made them think.

Question 1) Why do we have to socially distance and wear masks? Question 2) Is the vaccine intended to prevent the spread? Question 3) Does the vaccine prevent the spread? Question 4) If you take the vaccine, are you able to resume life normally?

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AnotherPedeInTheWall 3 points ago +3 / -0

Some people only learn via the school of hard knocks

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Wishdonwasdad 2 points ago +3 / -1

Prayers for you and your sister... I hope she is ok.

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Tartarian-Kingz 2 points ago +3 / -1

Why is anyone taking this vaccine?

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800080 3 points ago +3 / -0

Fear.

They fear the Wuflu more than the Vaccine.

Fear was framed as a guilt trip: "killing grandma" or other family members who are older. People can relieve it by their behavior (masks, bubbles, getting a shot) being a noble gesture to help others.

Fear of losing the job they were fortunately enough to be able to hang on to works too.

FDR was right. Unfortunately I don't think anyone listened to him. They listened to the MSM and Dr. Fraudchi.

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Aiur1776 [S] 3 points ago +7 / -4

The text is from my mother. I'm the older brother, I replied sigh. This is from my phone.

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Tseliteiv 7 points ago +9 / -2

These women need to have respect for the men in the family. The men are meant to protect the women. He's the older brother. He said not to get the vaccine and they didn't listen to him. They have 0 respect for him as a male in the family.

He should do the right thing but these women need to learn respect.

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theglynn 1 point ago +1 / -0

Respect him as a member of the family who cares too. This is what family members should do.

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ToxicTruthfulinity 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think you meant all of human history and successful cultures up to and including 1950's American culture. When this cultural norm gets disregarded then that culture begins to fail, as described in multiple ancient texts including The Holy Bible. Ignore historical facts and believe what you want.

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Tseliteiv 0 points ago +1 / -1

If they loved him they would have respected his perspective more. Also, equality is a myth. Society is a natural patriarchy. Women should not be forced equal to men using the State as a mechanism to accomplish this by oppressing men. The false idea of oppressive patriarchy is a cultural Marxist lie meant to destabilize society and push their superficial materialism on everyone.

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RONIN808 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think you are both correct to some degree.

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theglynn 1 point ago +1 / -0

All people are equal because they are made in the image and likeness of God. Men and women are complementary and completely equal by God's design.

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Tseliteiv 1 point ago +1 / -0

Which is not how any Christian interpreted things for thousands of years. Egalitarianism is a modern marxist ideology.

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Jonny 0 points ago +1 / -1

There's a difference betweeen loving someone and doing everything they tell you to do

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Tseliteiv 1 point ago +1 / -0

She listened to the government over her brother. If she truly understood the facts, she wouldn't have got the vaccine, that means someone influenced her. The State vs. her brother. Most women have chosen the State over the other men in their lives. That's a problem.

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AnotherPedeInTheWall 6 points ago +8 / -2

Nah if they don’t learn from this they are hopeless and deserve all they are going to reap from their gullibility. Sorry not sorry.

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novembergirl 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree. They're old enough to make their own decisions. Even if it's a wrong uninformed decision, it was their choice. Now they gottta suffer the consequences. You did try to warn them, they chose to ignore you. Now maybe they'll finally understand that you aren't so crazy.

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dookiebot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Show her the CNN article saying that we shouldn't worry when people die from the COVID vaccine. Then tell her CNN and the media is dead wrong, she is worth more to you than being a statistic and you would never be okay with her dieing from a vaccine.

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FucKamala 1 point ago +1 / -0

I can make that in paint too? Who talks like that? Sounds like an npc conversation in cp2077

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He_Who_Speakith 1 point ago +1 / -0

You mean... WAS healthy. Fuck these cancerous traitors and commie loving scum. Send them all to China and leave the rest of us the hell alone. it's hard for people to just stand up and quit, but I guess that's the strategy right? Easier to take this thing than to quit and find another job...

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DeusVult2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Need more info

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MudD 0 points ago +1 / -1

This sure reads as fake

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WalkFastGoHome -11 points ago +5 / -16

Pretty shitty if you to jump right into "I told you so" mode.

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Tomboy_Patriot 10 points ago +12 / -2

If people are TRYING to warn family, they deserve the I told you so!

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WalkFastGoHome -9 points ago +3 / -12

No, that's just being an asshole if it's literally the first thing out of their mouth.

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Aiur1776 [S] 10 points ago +11 / -1

You can judge me all you want but if you understood my relationship with my family you would also understand why "I told you so" was the only appropriate answer.

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WalkFastGoHome -4 points ago +4 / -8

Maybe these reactions are what fosters that type of relationship?

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AnotherPedeInTheWall 7 points ago +9 / -2

Maybe it’s his family being cunts? Fuck off concern troll.

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WalkFastGoHome 1 point ago +2 / -1

And there's a way to do that with class at the appropriate time.

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painter1 2 points ago +2 / -0

i agree though it was not said directly to the daughter

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sosickofit 9 points ago +11 / -2

Yeah, because it isn't like we didn't all see a nurse pass out on live television, lol.

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Aiur1776 [S] 9 points ago +11 / -2

Not fake.

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Sotong 2 points ago +2 / -0

Is she better now?

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Aiur1776 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes. Recovered. Discharged after a few hours. Not taking the second dose.

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Sotong 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ah, good, thanks for telling. Nobody listens to me either, common sense is now considered wearing a tinfoil hat.

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AnotherPedeInTheWall 3 points ago +5 / -2

Said the 8 day old shill account. Deport