I haven’t seen anybody else say this. With all of the reports of how horrible this vaccine is and the speculation about it becoming mandatory, why has this not been addressed? I wouldn’t go anywhere near this vaccine. I think it would be great for President Trump to make it known that this will simply be available for Americans who WANT to get it, but never MANDATORY for any of us.
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Its never going to be mandatory. You just won't be able to travel, work, attend class, eat at a restaurant etc. That's the loophole.
Once our cashless society arrives, you won't be able to buy anything either, because your health profile will be red flagged.
Cashless could be here sooner than we imagine, legislation is sat in the Senate
https://countercurrents.org/2020/10/imf-world-bank-g20-countries-to-create-central-bank-digital-currency-rules/
The Group of Twenty (G20) said in a report today that it is working with the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) to formalize the use of central bank digital currencies (CBDC) in banking systems.
According to the report, by the end of 2022, the G20 members, the IMF, the World Bank and the BIS will have completed regulatory stablecoin frameworks and research and selection of CBDC designs, technologies and experiments.
China launched theirs a couple of weeks ago
In the US it is called the Digital Dollar
The Banking For All Act is currently passing through the US legislature. It mandates banks will handle Digital Dollar accounts on behalf of the Fed, your account would actually be at the Fed. Thus the role of independent banks will be eroded and eventually dissolved.
The Govt. will have access to every transaction you make through the App (where, when, what) and transactions only with approved partners.
Part of the scheme involves expiration. The govt. will give you UBI and you have 30 days to spend it, or its gone.
It is part of the WEF's Great Reset plan, although it has been rumbling for a long time. The Central Planners believe that the problem of price discovery would be solved if only the govt. could see every transaction and the saving of every citizen.
UBI are the chains packaged as the keys to freedom.
The only credit score will be social.
That might address Hayek's criticisms (doubtful), but it still doesn't address Mises' calculation problem, since the great reset is about abolishing private ownership of the means of production, there will be no buying and selling and therefore no market prices in the factors of production. According to Mises (and the history of socialism) this will lead to misallocation of resources and eventual economic collapse.
But in the meantime it will allow for surveillance, tyranny, and total control, so the elites may not care.
Perhaps I should use demand discovery instead of price. Klaus Schwab's Industrial 4.0 vision laid out in his Fourth Industrial Revolution is full big data tracking of Farm to Fork and back again for all production with all demand being Pull rather than Push.
Communism was all Push, modern production has been moving towards Pull with Lean and Leagile supply chains. This is good for producers as it reduces waste. The WEF wants to turn that into Central Planning on a World Scale.
Well yeah that's the rub. How can the planners know what demand is prior to the transaction?
At the moment when you buy a tin of Goya beans at Walmart, the local Walmart distribution centre will also be notified, and eventually Goya. Goya can plan their deliveries to the Walmart distribution centres. Walmart competes by having the best physical and informational distribution process.
Under the IR4 model, there would be no Goya & no Walmart, all transactions would be via the internet and delivered to your house.
The Govt. / NWO would know which house eats beans and the whole of the distribution chain can be optimized to get the beans to the place they are wanted.
With the Govt. / NWO knowing the history of every transaction they the envision perfect production model.
They would also monitor the waste you produce.
Throwing away food instead of eating it. Expect a visit.
Drinking too much alcohol for their liking? No more for you.
etc. etc.
Jesus. I don't doubt this is where we are headed potentially, but I doubt the system will be as airtight as they believe.
But the surveillance and tyranny will be there either way.
It's going to be a mix. I don't see a company like TSLA ever doing that. But I can see Twitter, etc.
Sadly
That would be amazing and I think would go along way in quelling some people's fears.. How do we make it happen? Maybe start a petition?
Deeper thoughts: our constitution should cover us from ever having anything mandatory thrown at us..but more and more the constitution is just an antique in a museum.
Petition would be great. Getting word out on this site is apparently gaining traction. Or getting the idea out there enough for someone influential enough to tweet it where POTUS would see.
Repealing legal immunity for the manufacturers is more important if you ask me.
It's one thing to make them completely not liable. Its another to force me to participate as well.
I will hunt, gather and rob drug dealers if I lose work because I must get this bullshit.
I'm not taking it. Period.
You mean the real drug dealers right? The ones with fancy credentials. Not the street hoodlums.
That— absolutely
"Mandatory" or not, I'm not getting it, period. But yes, please Mr. GEOTUS, sign an EO and make it official!
You're freedom or your job pede. It's your choice. Easy choice for me. Anyone who wouldn't hire you is probably crazy anyway if you ask me.
In my personal opinion, every time I quit a job I feel more and more free. You can always find another job.
The problem is a bunch of them want you to put the mask on. So if I was you might even try starting your own job.
I agree. My late mother used to say "ask yourself is this a hill worth dying on?" Well, yes it is. We are very quickly approaching the hill worth dying on, and you called it. It's freedom, simple as that. I'm in software. I'm looking at everything from starting my own company, 100% remote in the same business, to getting a CDL. Besides, why do they want us to get it so badly? At best it doesn't pass the smell test. At worst, it's part of a much larger sinister plan.
They probably will. I worry about it. In fact, I'm exploring several different options as a result.
Right there with you, but we shouldn’t have to fight to avoid it.
It's definitely not constitutional. We need to rewind the past 50 years and get rid of every single law that conflicts with the constitution.
100+ But yeah
The EO should make it unlawful to discriminate on the the basis of vaccination status. Just make it another of the protected groups in the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Absolutely. Love the idea.
why thank you. I fixed my typo, too!
Not all vaccines are bad though (polio, measles, etc) and tons of illegal immigrants and insane people who don’t vaccinate their child against these seriously devastating diseases will take advantage of this. Children have to reach a certain age to get those vaccinations and the children who don’t get them spread it around.
To be clear, my biggest concern is this vaccine being added into the regular immunity vaccines for kids and I’m not advocating that at all. I’m just saying we should identify the consequences of this as well
It becomes a slippery slope when you include and exclude. People should have the choice on what goes into their body.
I don’t disagree but my child shouldn’t die of a disease that was cured 75 years ago because Somalians don’t vaccinate for it.
Dont let in somilians.
go back
You go back and read what I originally said. Infants can’t get those vaccinations, kids have to reach a certain age first. Until then they are totally exposed and unlike Covid, they can get these other diseases and they die from them. That’s all I’m saying, it happened in my own family.
Edit- My main point is the media would love to paint us all as an anti-vax community, meaning ALL vaccines and that’s obviously not the case
If your child is immunized they should be protected.
You don’t inoculate an infant for measles before they reach 12 months at minimum. That’s what I’m talking about, our society works and protects vulnerable when people do the right thing.
Seriously I’m not even getting this vaccine and this Covid isn’t a disease that I think the majority of people should even need one for. I’m just saying I can see it happening already, we’re going to be lumped in with anti-vax nut jobs
That has nothing to do with what I was saying.
I completely agree!
My body, my choice.
Instead the army, typically known for forcing a given issue, are being called out to distribute it.
I'm trusting the plan, but you're not wrong to feel concerned I don't think.
Isn't the army making it available but optional for troops?
Isn’t that something a hospital could do?
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What happened to the Nuremburg Code? Isn't that still in force internationally? I know we are sovereign but honestly why should I have to spend my money suing over this?
EO is only good until the next President. Still a good step. But Constitutional Amendment would be more locked in.
Unless it’s an EO from Obama, in which case the courts won’t allow it to be rescinded by the incoming administration.
So true.
Mandatory in what sense? That the government can't vaxx you? Can an employer stipulate that you be vaccinated as terms of employment? Is that considered mandatory?
Yes. That’s exactly what I’m talking about.
They would have to inject my cold body because even w a mandate I'm not taking it! Haven't had flu shot in 25 years!
He might as well say. Militia, you're all that's left to save yourselves. I've gone over to the darkside now.
My wife (non commie teacher) and I have already discussed starting a anti covid vaccine school. Its pretty much my best "million dollar idea" I have ever had.
I completly agree. I have no idea what Trump pushes the poison vaccine so much.
flu vaccine is 20-25% effective my doc offers it but said won't take it, of course he's a Christian, though probably right wing LOL
They won't show up at your door.
It's when you show up at doors to the grocery store, auto parts store, the doctor, or your job and you have to show proof of vaccine in order to participate.
you well see a lot of postal people then. I'm going to start my own town and call it FREEDOM, with 3 laws murder rape theft, that pretty much cover it
No we won't.
Because it will be implemented slowly.
just like gun control, take a little here don't give nothing there
We're gonna give every sheep at least ten vaccine doses....rectally.
Seriously.. make sure vaccines are available for anybody who wants them.
Sign legislation making it illegal to discriminate based on vaccinations, but also protecting people and businesses from lawsuits regarding covid spread.
Bam done. Now if I don't want to vaccinate and I get it, it's my problem not yours.
don't need to, you already nailed it, illegal to discriminate based on anything. dems already said there are multiple genders and I'm the natural gender no vaccines aloud
Every pol, Soros, xi and gates needs to take it before I do. And their families
They’ll take a saline shot for show. Wouldn’t trust it if I saw a video of them getting it.
I agree shoot anyone that tries to force you to take any vaccine or medical procedure
Dont worry about it. If a vaccine EVER becomes mandatory, there are enough people that can take out the tyranny. Shooting is our national anthem- fuck off baseball. You lost that title when you allowed kneeling for the national anthem.
Just like masks being mandatory literally every where, at least in MN
Almost, and as much as i am vehemently against the masks, there is a distinct difference. One follows “no shoes, no shirt, no service”, albeit it loosely- as these are handed down-unconstitutionally from govenors- not state legislatures (the branch responsible for writing law, EO’s ought to have time bound limits), and is an external fixture, A vaccine violates the autonomy of the individual and what they put inside their own body. The smallest minority being the individual. Simply put, a mask can be ignored, or taken off after transaction. A vaccine cannot be taken out of the body after buying chapstick at the corner store.
Then fluoride should be illegal too
Fundamentally, I cannot disagree with you. I will confess my own ignorance on the larger aspects of putting it into the water supply at large. That being said, if one wants to distill it from tap, or use bottled, the option is still there. I pray it is not like the PAX used on Miranda.
This needs more bricks.
I thought he did something like this already
Yes, FUCKING YES!!
He has said the vaccine would not be mandatory, not ordered by him, at least. What states do is another story...
If vaccines are mandated by employers or random gatekeeping companies I don't know what I will do. I will see it as a threat against my life. This won't be pretty.
They won’t make it mandatory, but corporations and private companies will require it for entry
The trick is to make it illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of vaccination status.
https://lifepetitions.com/petition/no-mandatory-vaccine-for-covid-19
A quick Duck Duck Go search turned up these guys. Their other petitions seem pretty based, so they are probably on the Southern Poverty Law list of right wing nazis.
I'm adding my name to their petition. Nothing to say we have to constantly reinvent the wheel, but I will be happy to sign on a separate one as well.
“They”
IF he made it in office he could undo an EO, but the optics would be even worse if he had to undo an EO that protected us.
Agreed— but it would look worse to people who don’t know the truth about all of that. Potentially.
Excellent point...
That would be great. But he'd have to define what non-mandatory is, otherwise grocery stores and businesses would require it for entry and we'd all be screwed just the same.
Fucking right!
In past, medical treatments under EUAs could not be mandatory as they were and are experimental.
Local health boards may be the people you need to address even if Trump signs a Federal EO.
If there is a lawyer pede here, maybe we need a contract for the person giving the shot, to sign, taking personal and financial liability for any of your side effects.
Attached to it would another sheet they can sign which reads "I Dr _____________ can not give this shot to _____________ (your name there). Reasons are not disclosed here due to HIPPA regulations." Not the same as a passport, but it's a note from a medical doctor indicating they can't give the shot and can't say why. Might be worth something. Maybe with your employer - "Boss, I can't get the shot. Sorry. Should we ask legal?"
They can't even take care of the essential personal and those next in line, so this is speculation, but with enough lead time to fight it off.
Agree. Any corporation attempting to require customers or employees be vaccinated should face steep fines. Airlines don't have adequate cybersecurity to manage medical data and last i checked they don't ask whether i have a SARS 1 vaccine.
I will be fighting to the death before being forced to take this rushed, experimental vax.