Proclamation on 850th Anniversary of the Martyrdom of Saint Thomas Becket
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Yes, the state shouldn't have supremacy over people's beliefs, but no, the church shouldn't have supremacy over the state either.
The church during that time wasn't looking for state freedom, but state supremacy. Limiting the power of the church is as noble as limiting the power of kings - both can lead to tyranny.
Freedom of thought is freedom not just of religion, but from religion.
As Americans, we were first united by our belief that “rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God” and that defending liberty is more important than life itself. If we are to continue to be the land of the free, no government official, no governor, no bureaucrat, no judge, and no legislator must be allowed to decree what is orthodox in matters of religion or to require religious believers to violate their consciences. No right is more fundamental to a peaceful, prosperous, and virtuous society than the right to follow one’s religious convictions. As I declared in Krasiński Square in Warsaw, Poland on July 6, 2017, the people of America and the people of the world still cry out: “We want God.”
You missed the point. He is saying the government needs to stop fucking with people in general, yes religion wise but in all other ways too. Preparing people for what’s coming and reminding us why we have to fight for freedom.
So tell me what was "conscientious" about Papal authority in a foreign country and the church having a mechanism by which to shield murderers.
That doesn't sound like a matter of religion at all. It sounds like politics.
The "government" of Rome, the Vatican...was kinda fucking with British people. Making it so that only the church could punish the clergy. How is this about religious freedom?
Yes, but don't you wish we had a church power that could check the government at this point? Americans spent the last 20 years demonizing the church to where they hold no clout, so now the government can just do whatever it wants. It sure would be easy to organize resistance to some of these bullshit coronavirus edicts if we all met every other sunday.
No I don't really want my church to have the power to hold in-house trials for it's members, to shield them from prosecution on behalf of a political entity in Rome.
God has plenty of power for his church. Aside from staying out of our service etc, I don't think we should be able to usurp laws against murder by "defrocking" the guilty.
It was all political back then. It was barely even about faith. These guys were just fighting for control over Britain.
Freedom of religion covers all the good bits of freedom from religion.
Freedom from religion is just a leftist rewording which gives them cover for using state power to abolish the free exercise of religion in public places.
Never use freedom 'from' religion, it is not a thing, let alone a constitutional thing.
PS The church did aim for supremacy at times; Becket's murder was not one of them.
^^^^^^^^^
This was a great podcast episode on what happened with Becket. And I agree with what you said. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09hp2rm
Freedom of thought does not require freedom from religion.