You are aware that Caesar's policies are closer to AOC's than Trump's, aren't you? He pushed for free bread and created Rome's dependent class, who rioted, committed violence and killed Senators when their entitlements were threatened.
Yes, indeed, Julius was the antithesis of President Trump.
But the Senate forced Julius' hand by wanting to war against him, litigate him and his family, and take everything from him that meant anything. That was their mistake.
Putting Julius in the position where crossing the Rubicon was the only viable way forward, was the Roman Senate's biggest mistake.
That same situation is where we are right now. Trump's enemies have placed him where the only way forward, is to cross the Rubicon.
It's the situation and the populist statesmanship that's similar, not the economics/politics.
I would disagree that Trump and Julius are antithetical. The Roman times were very different than today in certain ways. The Senate had long been hoarding power and wealth to establish their place as the elite class. This is part of how they did not take care of their military Veterans. Romans were offered as part of their pay for military service citizenship status and/or a parcel of land. Land-owners were basically "independently wealthy" and the represented class in Roman society. However, the Senate constantly reneged on their obligations to the veterans and kept the land for themselves. This was one of Julius Caesars primary grievances, and why his troops were so loyal. He kept his promises to them in terms of land. Also, there is a big difference between socialism versus giving sorely needed $2000 ...err, I mean bread, to those that the elites have truthfully oppressed.
Julius was antithetical to Trump on several points; both are quite similar on several others.
While his willingness to keep the promises made to the military gave him very popular support among them, Julius was also willing to extend that to ANYONE with a grievance toward the Senate, and really wasn't willing to negotiate much of anything. He knew allegiance and loyalty could be bought with lesser men.
Trump keeps his promises, and goes out of his way to negotiate where he wants things done. He seems to leave brute force out unless it is the very, very last option. Julius wasn't opposed to cracking a few skulls to get the point across.
The Roman military was extremely harsh in its discipline, especially by today's standards. Julius was unrelenting on that.
Again, we are talking of cultures separated by several thousand miles and over 2000 years in space and time.
I can concede your point here: Julius and Trump both kept their promises, when the self-styled elites reneged. Both men were/are powerfully popular because of this very fact.
Both men expected their people to perform, or they were gone. Loyalty was rewarded.
Both men face very powerful opposition in their respective Capitols.
An in both cases, the self-professed "elite" made/are making the same mistake: that their "elitism" will enable them to survive the civil turmoil they themselves push to create.
From the standpoint of history, the Roman practice of "bread and circuses" started up when the Senate elite wanted to pacify and distract the unrest they were creating by paying off the people.
I must agree - the Roman "bread and circuses" was not socialism as Marx formed it to be. What we have here in America today is a distorted amalgamation of socialism (as Marx intended it to be) and the Roman "bread and circuses" used to pacify and distraction the people from the rampant corruption seen in the later Roman Empire.
One problem is that Caesar had experience ordering people to their death. Trump doesn't, at least not on this scale. So he might balk. Hopefully that won't happen.
If we're going to compare Trump to anyone for what he's about to do, it should be Cicero from when he was consul. He executed Roman citizens quickly and w/o trial for trying to overthrow the republic.
He didn't create that underclass. It was a major cause of the century's civil war before he seized power.
The better analogy, is Tiberius Gracchus.
He tried to stop the flagrant corruption that was actively dispossessing the yeoman-farmer class and creating that underclass.
He was murdered upon the Senate floor for rallying the plebes against the patriarchs.
Yeah but you're talking about a different period in time... He gave them bread, not cell phones.... While I understand what you're saying and agree to an extent you have to understand the times
Agreed, he gave people bread, we give people food stamps, welfare and social security. let's not get carried away. Caesar was nothing like that nitwit AOC.
He knew what it took to make Rome powerful... And at that time it was empowering the people! .. look at all the success he had doing it! As soon as he was killed the standard of living went down 60% for a whole generation!! ... Caesar knew how to control the power of his time! .. today that power, that he basically have his people, is called freedom
They didn’t think the public wanted it.
They perfectly knew Caesar was well seen.
That’s exactly why they killed him.
KEK
This, Plus I don't see mitch running again he won't have to with all the china money giving to his family by his father inlaw with ties to the ccp!
You are aware that Caesar's policies are closer to AOC's than Trump's, aren't you? He pushed for free bread and created Rome's dependent class, who rioted, committed violence and killed Senators when their entitlements were threatened.
Yes, indeed, Julius was the antithesis of President Trump.
But the Senate forced Julius' hand by wanting to war against him, litigate him and his family, and take everything from him that meant anything. That was their mistake.
Putting Julius in the position where crossing the Rubicon was the only viable way forward, was the Roman Senate's biggest mistake.
That same situation is where we are right now. Trump's enemies have placed him where the only way forward, is to cross the Rubicon.
It's the situation and the populist statesmanship that's similar, not the economics/politics.
I would disagree that Trump and Julius are antithetical. The Roman times were very different than today in certain ways. The Senate had long been hoarding power and wealth to establish their place as the elite class. This is part of how they did not take care of their military Veterans. Romans were offered as part of their pay for military service citizenship status and/or a parcel of land. Land-owners were basically "independently wealthy" and the represented class in Roman society. However, the Senate constantly reneged on their obligations to the veterans and kept the land for themselves. This was one of Julius Caesars primary grievances, and why his troops were so loyal. He kept his promises to them in terms of land. Also, there is a big difference between socialism versus giving sorely needed $2000 ...err, I mean bread, to those that the elites have truthfully oppressed.
Julius was antithetical to Trump on several points; both are quite similar on several others.
While his willingness to keep the promises made to the military gave him very popular support among them, Julius was also willing to extend that to ANYONE with a grievance toward the Senate, and really wasn't willing to negotiate much of anything. He knew allegiance and loyalty could be bought with lesser men.
Trump keeps his promises, and goes out of his way to negotiate where he wants things done. He seems to leave brute force out unless it is the very, very last option. Julius wasn't opposed to cracking a few skulls to get the point across.
The Roman military was extremely harsh in its discipline, especially by today's standards. Julius was unrelenting on that.
Again, we are talking of cultures separated by several thousand miles and over 2000 years in space and time.
I can concede your point here: Julius and Trump both kept their promises, when the self-styled elites reneged. Both men were/are powerfully popular because of this very fact.
Both men expected their people to perform, or they were gone. Loyalty was rewarded.
Both men face very powerful opposition in their respective Capitols.
An in both cases, the self-professed "elite" made/are making the same mistake: that their "elitism" will enable them to survive the civil turmoil they themselves push to create.
From the standpoint of history, the Roman practice of "bread and circuses" started up when the Senate elite wanted to pacify and distract the unrest they were creating by paying off the people.
I must agree - the Roman "bread and circuses" was not socialism as Marx formed it to be. What we have here in America today is a distorted amalgamation of socialism (as Marx intended it to be) and the Roman "bread and circuses" used to pacify and distraction the people from the rampant corruption seen in the later Roman Empire.
One problem is that Caesar had experience ordering people to their death. Trump doesn't, at least not on this scale. So he might balk. Hopefully that won't happen.
Trump executed isis and iranian terrorists. Reinstituted death by firing squad of all things.
Traitors, kiddie diddlers, murderers, all in one. If he doesn't execute them, there's surely a good reason. Trust Trump.
If we're going to compare Trump to anyone for what he's about to do, it should be Cicero from when he was consul. He executed Roman citizens quickly and w/o trial for trying to overthrow the republic.
You show a very poor understanding of history and current events.
Yeah. And if the assassins had followed his advice, there would have been no civil war.
He didn't create that underclass. It was a major cause of the century's civil war before he seized power.
The better analogy, is Tiberius Gracchus. He tried to stop the flagrant corruption that was actively dispossessing the yeoman-farmer class and creating that underclass. He was murdered upon the Senate floor for rallying the plebes against the patriarchs.
Because he left his Glock at home that day. /s
His Glock of the day. The Gladius... Glockius?
All stuff we have had in America from our founding
Political violence? Yes, true.
Most people don't look into his policies. He was a great tactician and an even greater communist.
Yeah but you're talking about a different period in time... He gave them bread, not cell phones.... While I understand what you're saying and agree to an extent you have to understand the times
Agreed, he gave people bread, we give people food stamps, welfare and social security. let's not get carried away. Caesar was nothing like that nitwit AOC.
He knew what it took to make Rome powerful... And at that time it was empowering the people! .. look at all the success he had doing it! As soon as he was killed the standard of living went down 60% for a whole generation!! ... Caesar knew how to control the power of his time! .. today that power, that he basically have his people, is called freedom
Sounds like John Wilkes Booth - he was astounded that the public REALLY didn't like his actions.