Before you bash me understand I hate Democrats and Rinos. This post is discussing our assertions that the 12th Amendment somehow gives Pence the unilateral right to affect the outcome of this election. Don't waste my time with other bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with the issue in this post, or all you will be doing is making a straw man argument. I had half a million positive upvotes on Reddit before I left and a quarter million here. So don't you dare fucking call me a Doomer.
I'm trying to get you people back to reality and stop talking about irrelevant routes to recovering the stolen election. There are other routes... but the 12th Amendment isn't one of them
When it comes to replacing the President and Vice President elect the 12th Amendment specifically says , after requiring the current president of the Senate to count every certified vote delivered to him, to follow certain rules if neither of the candidates have a majority of the electoral votes.
However, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment provides for choosing a president and vice president to supersede the President and Vice President elect only in two cases.
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In the event of death.
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In the event Congress passes a LAW declaring either candidate unqualified. If this happens it goes back to the rules in the 12th Amendment for choosing a new president and or vice president using one vote per state
With Democrats still controlling the house there is no chance in hell this will happen. So stop talking about it because it makes us look stupid
You're incorrect. Study more.
Show me how I'm incorrect. You can't. Show me don't just say it. Show me how the 12th amendment gives Pence this Authority. You can't and you're full of s***.
Only a moron would make a one sentence rebuttal without facts.
Edited to add that if you show me how the 12th Amendment gives us a specific route I will remove this post and apologize... but you have to show me. It's not there and unless you can show me how the 12th Amendment which is what the purpose of this post is intended to discuss, provide some sort of Authority for vice president Pence to unilaterally affect the outcome of the election, then you really are full of s***
Not the twelfth, the second. 12 - 10 = 2 ;)
Oh wouldn't that be sweet. Sort of like that scene in Mars Attacks?
Pence pulls out a 'fully semi-automatic red pill dispenser' and gets to work right there in the halls of congress.
Ala the movie "Mars Attacks" ?
That or like when President Camacho addressed the 'House of Representing' in Idiocracy.
Haaahaaaa
You made me do it https://thedonald.win/p/11RO2jtO65/when-they-try-to-count-electoral/c/
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Wrong! The Key Words Are “Plenary Authority”
Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution gives state legislatures "plenary authority" as enunciated in Bush v. Gore. This is key, since the counting of votes is discussed in Article II, the 12th Amendment, and 3 USC 15.
VP Pence Has Plenary Authority” Look It Up!
Knucklehead that's only in the acase of either candidate not getting a majority of the electoral votes. Please re-read the circumstances under which what you are talking about would be allowed to occur.
I think the assertion of VP having "plenary power" to select the president is misleading.
But the President of the Senate is not just called upon to tally up "certified" votes. The VP does have plenary power to decide what are "certificates" in so doing his duty to count the votes. Since there are dueling slates of electoral votes, VP can decide that the state has not concluded their general election sufficiently. And then things get very interesting.
Agree completely.... and I'm glad that point was brought up even though it wasn't what I was looking for which was for somebody to show me where the 12th Amendment specifically gives Pence unilateral Authority.
I don't have a citation, I apologize. But I believe the authority given to the President of the Senate in this situation is not derived directly from the 12th amendment. He brings that authority to the table because of the 12th A, but is given that authority elsewhere.
It's like the VP has the authority to make the deciding vote on a 50/50 split Senate. The VP has executive authority in certain situation.
Look into how Thomas Jefferson became president. He just went ahead and counted Georgia's dubious votes for himself and ta-da! Not one damn thing anyone could do about it. Further, JFK became President because Nixon (I think) counted the NON-CERTIFIED votes of Hawaii to keep the peace, for all the good that did him, instead of counting the votes for himself that Hawaii had certified.
Fair enough but we're talking about the 12th Amendment here as the route. That's the whole point of my post.
Show me the rules for challenging please... AFTER you show me where the 12th Amendment gives Pence unilateral Authority. The purpose of this post is to discuss our assertion that the twelfth amendment is our savior. Show me where I'm wrong here. Don't just say it show me
I've got nothing to calm down about because I wasn't upset with you. The entire point of my post was to be critical of people leaning on the 12th Amendment. If you're talkin about invalidating electors via an objection process, it may very well be a valid route but it has nothing to do with my post.
That said, I would appreciate you showing me where the process whereby objecting to the validity of an electoral vote count in a particular state renders those votes invalid. Please point me to the Senate rule or law so that I may educate myself. If you cannot, then please stop making that argument. My post is backed up by the verbage in the 12th Amendment and in Section 3 of the 20th Amendment. Where is your information backed up? Thank you very much
Moron, what does this have to do with the 12th Amendment.? You're a moron
Yes. It is clear. They vote as a body on which set of electors to choose. This requires majority rule. It's not just based off the one senator that objects. They would never get anything done. So yeah, they'll go debate for 2 hours, and in about 5 minutes of that 2-hour debate all the rhinos will side with the Democrats, in the Senate will rule to select the Biden electors. Then the objection is satisfied. It's very clear ;)
I've posted this several times. The reactions were about what you'd expect by the LARPing, Qanon, bitchute-watching, loons here. They're going to be calling Pence a traitor because he didn't do something he just can't do. As I've stated in a couple other threads; it just doesn't make sense. The guy who is defending his power gets to just select whichever votes he wants to count? Come on. Allllll the talk on here of our founders being so brilliant- which I agree with, don't misunderstand- and you think they allowed for this? No one should have to pull out the constitution or the electoral act of 1887 to realize this is stupid.
The key circumstance is the dueling EC votes. The 12 A requires VP to count "certificates". And he does have the plenary power to dismiss either or both slates.
Its not stupid to see how that can result in a Trump win. There is a purpose for this counting duty of the VP and the authority placed upon him; it's not just a ceremonial act.
But this requires that the house and Senate disagree on which slate of electors to select. They disagree in a majority, ie a majority of the house and a majority of the Senate would disagree on which slate of electors to select. The dems stick together and they're going to select the biden electors in the house of course.
That means our only chance is the Senate. We have Ben sasse, mitt Romney, markowski, Collins, and how many other rhinos who will stab us all in the back? Dan Crenshaw? There's an untold number. Probably even McConnell himself.
The point is, we won't have a majority in the Senate that select the Trump electors. This would have to happen FIRST for Mike pence to be the tiebreaker. This is The possible scenario that could occur in this universe as reported by the Hill and read by Rush Limbaugh on his program on, I think, 12-14-2020.
The scenario that you're talking about won't even get to that point of the process because of RINO senators. Pence doesn't just get to select which electors to use on his own.
Everybody dismisses this portion of common sense as stupidity, but I have to repeat it; how dumb would it be that the guy sitting in power gets to just throw out or select votes that affect whether he will continue to have power or not? It's absolutely stupid to think that the founders- geniuses guide by God- made some provision for this to happen.
No! This provision isn't there (it doesn't exist) for a corrupt election like we're seeing now! The provisions for that were given to the state legislatures and the judges. The balance and separation of powers are the provision to stop a corrupt election through evidentiary hearings to convict the fraudsters in the case of the legislature, and the legislatures' power to select electors as written in the constitution article 2 clause 1, section 2 or whatever it is .
The provisions to stop a stolen election have ALL already been tried and failed. The bodies capable of stopping it have all been complicit in the steal. At some point, no matter what provisions are made the contract of government falls in the hearts and minds of humans. These hearts and minds have all gone one way (CCP) and fallen into corruption and fear, so the republic has seemingly been lost.
Your argument basically hinges on what does "certified" mean!? Ah ha!!! The "certified" vote is fraudulent! We have them! Pence can do this because the vote isn't really certified! The courts will never agree with this. First off, as we've seen, they're corrupt or afraid, second they will say that "certified" means by the states. And these fraudulent electors are certified by the states.
This is a stupid argument and path as the OP has stated, and I can't believe it's gained so much traction and hope. It wastes time and efforts. I first heard of this from a guy who posts on here everyday about some situation update. He posts on bitchute.
StyxhexenHammer666 turn me on to bed shoot as a growing alternative to YouTube. However, since seeing the stuff that's coming out of there slightly before and since the election, I have to rub it in the mud as much as I can. It's a harbor for complete insanity that discredits this site and our movement. Of course there is the added down side of giving people a false hope.
This crap about pence throwing electors out originated on bitchute As far as I can tell from some lunatic posting crappy videos in his basement as he LARPs about in kookery all day. Bitchute is a terrible site for lunatics, and since the theories and info coming off it are so insane but yet hopeful, they're probably being propogated by undercover leftist trolls.
We will continue to see 10 posts about this each day with text, "stop worrying. It's over 1-6-2020 with the pence card."
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No, you're right - if the VP could always arbitrarily select other slates of votes, why wouldn't he just opt to stay in power? But as you noted, those challenging slates set in motion the process by which VP's authority comes in to play. And there are many other checks on his power too so I don't think anyone (thinking rationally) believes the founders made the VP have dictator-like power over the election.
FINALLY some common sense. People are jumping all over me and they're not even reading the post or the 12th Amendment. They're not showing me the rules where Pence has this supposed magical authority. They are bringing up some issues regarding Senators objecting to certain electoral counts by state but they haven't shown me the rules or the law that would then lead to Pence not having to count those votes.
Even if that were the case it still doesn't address the point in my post which is that everybody is getting riled up about something that is not a valid route to solving this mess.
DEPORTED you new shill account fuckface. Bye bye