I think we need to stop using the argument that it is impossible to believe that joe biden got that many votes and doesn't have anyone watch his live streams, go to his rallies, or isn't the most popular man or whatever. Because that isnt the lefts argument. They all hate him. They saw him as the final option, as a better alternative to trump. They never voted for him because they cared about his policies or because he's well liked. They voted for him because they hate trump. We need to stop focusing on that and focus on the billion other reasons it's obvious joe biden didn't get that many votes because when we lead with that one it makes us look like an idiot.
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You ain't wrong, but let's be honest here, there is no fucking way Biden got 80 million votes.
Really this is the only important point. It should always be led by:
Trump didn't lose a bit of his base compared to 2016 and he picked up over 12 million more votes than 2016.
18 of the 19 bell weather counties
Record breaking turnout for Trump with Black's and Latinos
There is no fucking way Biden and the haters outdid GEOTUS
Your argument is null. Not everyone who voted is a liberal, or a conservative.
I still refuse to believe that he got more of a turnout then Obummer
I think some are missing the nuance of your argument
Which would be?
I believe he is saying that focussing on the specific evidence of fraud is more effective than leading with an argument (that Biden is not popular), which is pretty much understood by most on either side, is a better tack. Your last line is true, but perhaps somewhat tangential. "Anyone but Trump" is understood as motivation. Show them the fraud directly..
I get what you're saying, but an argument can be lead by that if it's backed up by evidence of fraud.
Besides, you show liberals evidence of fraud and they'll just stick their head in the sand.
I guess leading with that implies that we are naive to even think he was a actual candidate with support enough to counter that argument. Ok I want a gin and tonic after all that thinking!
Something implied doesn't make it true. That would just be confirmation bias on part of leftists
Right. Leftists have shown that the truth is irrelevant. Normies might be lead to question
No.
Everyone at my work voted Biden and like half my extended family, he definitely has real voters
I think most here are missing my point. I'm not saying people didn't vote for biden or that absolutely everyone hated biden. I am saying that everyone on the left I've talked to has said they were forced to chose biden because even though they disliked him they thought he was better than Trump. So when we stuff like. "Don't tell me the guy that doesnt have people more than ten people at a rally or 1000 people on a live stream got 81 million votes" it's not a good argument because they all at the very least dislike him if not outright hate him. But they chose to vote for him because they hate trump more. So when we lead off saying stupid shit like that then they use that one statement to invalidate everything we say. Because they are saying we are just making stuff up and in this case they are right. We are making up the fact that they think biden is super popular or likeable and then we are trying to disprove the argument we made up by pointing at his rallies and live streams. And they are using this one made up argument to say we are just making up the rest
DON'T REMEMBER ASKING FOR YOUR OPINION
...yeah but this is a forum where anyone can comment not people that have specifically been chosen to comment. I'm making an observation. Ignore it or don't.
Just keep repeating it, mate.
It keeps being true and it's just one piece of the puzzle.