For whatever reason many of you are being misled to believe that Mike Pence can save the day.
He cannot, and does not deserve to be the object of your scorn and despair.
Donald will need your help as much as he will need allies in Congress on the 6th.
Barring that, he'll have to take action from the Executive seat against the the criminals.
But Mike Pence does not have the power to unilaterally save the day.
Nowhere in the constitution, with the statutes and amendments in place since the 1800s events is he granted such power.
Try to find the text that grants him special powers on the 6th, but it's not there.
I actually set out to prove you wrong and came away educated after finding this.
https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/electors-in-7-states-cast-dueling-votes-for-trump_3620059.html
Thank you for taking the time.
My hope was someone would try to prove me wrong and discover what's possible and what's not in these coming days.
I learned from arguing with lefty’s. They always put you in “gotcha” situations (not saying you are, you clearly want to spread truth). I learned that even if I feel intuitively correct about something, it’s beneficial to do a little extra research before arguing. Because of their shit I’ve learned more about what’s really going on. No one can be always correct, so it’s a fallacy to thing one is completely irrefutable.
It’s awesome to arrive at that type of thinking because even though it’s painful to be wrong sometimes, in the process you strengthen your own positions by either affirming your correctness or addressing your misunderstandings.
Still can’t stand stand smug leftist shitheads though.
That was my biggest thing here. I invited people to prove me wrong because perhaps one of the 12 or so responders would have found information to do so.
But I don't think they have. Hopefully after a night of sleep they realize the HeroPence path is not a real one.
Though real paths do exist, and the criminals need to be vanquished.
The VP certifies presidential election results. IF there is any doubt in any state, Pence could simply refuse to certify the outcome. The House of Representatives decides, with each state delegation getting ONE vote. Republicans control 27 states Democrats 23
He doesn't do this though.
I'd invite you to find the legal text that details this 'certification' role you're claiming.
I find that it does not exist. I'd like to see it if it does, however.
Right, and there have been a long series of laws and amendments passed since then that restrict this wily approach.
Copy and pasting an article here doesn't change the fact that Mike Pence doesn't hold the power you want to believe he does.
It says he will open the votes and they shall all be counted.
It doesn't give him discretionary power at all.
He simply doesn't have it.
Except there are laws and remedies that came about to solve that very precedent.
All of which as per Gohmerts suit are unconstitutional.
The 12th Amendment clearly gives rights to the VP. Attempts to alter that authority since have not passed any Constitutional test.
The 12th amendment doesn't give that power to him.
If it does, please paste the line of text where the VP is granted more than a procedural role.
The argument of the lawsuit being that line gives him the authority to count the votes he wants to count.
Whether any court would agree with that interpretation or whether Pence himself sees it that way is another thing. That's the line everyone is talking about. You pretending this line doesn't exist makes you a moron.
So you can see however that the text is clear.
They all get opened and they all get counted, with tellers and in the presence of congress.
He has no power to decide to hide or keep votes from being counted.
He simply doesn't, and people telling you he does aren't correct. Whether they're lying who knows.
They all get opened. That's the only definitive statement. Hence the lawsuit.
What does 'shall' mean in the law?
Laugh as you like, but on the 6th you'll discover that Mike does not have the power you believe today that he does.
And those old tales lead to new laws to prevent repeat confusions.
That is one thing I'm looking forward to.
The peace we have today is no peace at all.
A cleansing and totally destructive war is the only way forward.
They will all be opened and all be counted.
In the case of two sets, congress can object and go into deliberation, but both chambers have to agree in order to override and then choose the set of electors they want.
So the competing slates get opened and counted, but they may not survive deliberation. And if no agreement between the chambers is reached, the 'official' slate gets advanced and ultimately counted.
Official means text of some law.
There's just nothing granting this power to Mike, that's it.
It's wishful thinking to believe that he can save the day even if he wanted to.
You'll see that we're on a totally different path than what is believed is all.
Mike Pence isn't and can't be the hero.
Being bold and lawless would be interesting, and I would be all for it given the stakes.
The Republic is destoryed as it is, long ago even. I'd rather have the right emperor than the wrong.
It’s a grey area. The democrats are all about grey areas. If the judge throws out Louie’s lawsuit, then it establishes a broad grey area. If pence chooses not to certify, then what? It’s not a 2/3rds override pence at that point.
There's no real grey area.
There's no text to any law granting the VP any discretion.
The democrats would do it. It’s a grey area. Pence shouldn’t certify
No one needs him to certify though.
His roles are all procedural unless he has to break a tie as president of the Senate.
Not according to the old ways of the constitution. That’s covered in Louie’s lawsuit. You should read it.
Louie's lawsuit unfortunately will never get off the ground.
The old ways were remedied by laws and amendments since then, and the power simply doesn't lie in Mike's hands alone.
You can certainly see that VP is not granted any powers of discretion in this process, and Louie's lawsuit can't establish text that doesn't exist.
Sorry to deliver the truth to you.
What will happen is congressional objections, or decisive action by Donald himself against the criminals.
Pence won't be the hero. He can't be.
Yeah he can make a stand but the senate and house both have to agree. The dems own the house rn. If Trump feels he will win it is because of something else.
There's no text anywhere that grants him the power to make a stand.
Pence that is.
Sure he can. He can dispute the ballot. But both sides of congress have to agree for them to be set aside.
Except you can't find a line of text in any law that says he can.
I would like to see it though if you can find it.
12th Amendment and Electoral Count Act detail what is happening.
And they don't grant the VP any special power.
It's all Congress in both of those laws.
Asks for the law. Doesn't read it. I am not disagreeing with you that Pence cannot singlehandedly overturn anything. I am disagreeing with you saying there isn't any law.
I'm telling you, you can't copy the section of the law and paste it here that grants him this power.
What you have shared doesn't grant him any special discretionary role.
So what are you saying?
So go read up. And remember what my initial reply was.
Whatever you're trying to dispute, the simple fact is Mike Pence doesn't have the power to decide the election, or kick off a contingent election.
There's no where that details this claim though.
You've written here, but it's not in the laws.
Mike doesn't have discretionary power over the count.
You asked for words. I gave them to you. Remember my initial comment to your post. Don't be mad at me🤣
You just happen to be totally wrong about that.
He doesn't possess the ability to do what you claim.
Yes, this idea has taken off and has no basis in reality. Pence cannot reject electors and it’s very clear he won’t try to.
It's incredible just how many people want to believe it though.
Even when Trump wins they'll have to understand they were deceived by someone for some reason, hopefully anyway.
Now that I think about it, this narrative has twisted out of proportion since I remember it first being discussed. Either propaganda or unintentional game of telephone. I still think trumps got this though.
Trump will most definitely win.
But there is massive misunderstanding among MAGAs at the moment.
If he does dispute votes it will be symbolic as both the senate and house have to agree with him.
He doesn't have the ability to initiate any such process of agreement.
It's up to congress to raise objections.
Still have read anything I see.
No but DNI does...
Fix your focus.
Dipshit, I'm pointing out that at least half this board has their focus in the wrong place.
Look at your source dumbass.
You can't find any reference to Mike Pence having the power you claim, that's all.
It's apparent you're frustrated now, for some reason.