Am I missing something? The article claims he died from a blood clot that was CAUSED by the china virus. So, you could say covid killed him and it wouldn't be a stretch for once. Right?
Edit: It's my understanding the virus can cause blood clots in some people. This has been known for a very long time.
Who is "they"? There is plenty of bunk pseudoscience and fake data, but there is also real data and science that studies this virus. If you disbelieve every topic that someone has ever lied about, how do you even know you're posting here?
Everything I've seen is not presented data, it's emotional manipulation. They tell us they're counting everything as covid, so even the numbers are skewed.
They refers to government health officials, from small to federal.
Fair enough. I've got a close friend who's a physician at a local hospital. He claims that the blood clot situation seems legit. That's my rational for maybe believing it. All I can say for certain though is....FUCK CHINA.
But if this virus were half as bad as H1N1 was, I'd actually know people who were sick. Few of us do and more people are realizing the bullshit.
I KNEW people with h1n1 and got it myself. That shit was bad and killed young people. People knew people who got sick and it was a frequent conversation topic.
It is not the same with covid despite my social and professional circles being far more expanded than they were in 2009.
Yep. We've all seen the same things you have. That still doesn't discount that it could be causing blood clots in some people. Maybe very very few, but some.
We can't know because they won't be honest about the virus.
They've given me exactly ZERO reason to trust ANYTHING they say. Everything they say gets repeated so much on social media that people believe it's true despite CDC website and local jurisdiction trackers showing us exactly what's going on.
They've told us FREQUENTLY and CLEARLY they'll attribute any death they can to covid.
We've seen homicides, suicides, and accidents listed as covid.
They trll us it's dangerous but the average age of death is 79 (that's including the "anything is covid" strategy)
Think about it. Average life expectancy is 79. Average age of death is 79. People aren't living much past 100. So, with your ages essentially between 0 and 100 the AVERAGE age of death is 79.
That's ages 0 through 78 having less death than 79 through 100.
Math is important. Numbers that aren't understood can be used to manipulate. 250k deaths from this virus!!! Oh no!!!
But nobody knows that's only HALF of what we'd expect the deaths from medical mistakes!
That's a QUARTER or less of the deaths we'd expect from being FAT AND SEDENTARY!!!!!
It's only logical those 2 categories would overlap with the actual virus deaths.
Blood clots existed before covid-19. Are blood clots slightly more likely when you have the flu? What are the risks associated with, you know, OPEN HEART SURGERY?
At this point, the Wu flu is a permanent, endemic, and all-encompassing blanket "cause" that can be blamed for anything. It's a virus, it's a sickness, it compromises your immune system like any other flu or cold. If you're suffering from a serious health issue, a flu or cold isn't going to help - but it's not "what killed you".
Right or wrong, the point the article was trying to make is that he developed a clot FROM covid. The surgery he underwent was to remove the clot. I'm not saying it's true, but I also won't be foolish enough to discount everything.
Yes, but what killed him was after the surgery / complications of the surgery. To say it was COVID implies it was the disease itself and has people thinking it’s like a pneumonia or something similar.
Tragic story overall, Letlow by all accounts was a phenomenal dude, but with everything being attributed to COVID initially made people scared, but with data coming out about it being overhyped, now it makes people skeptical.
This should have been reported differently.
But, again, two things:
Tragic story.
Fuck the media for overhyping this virus to sell papers.
At the risk of getting downvotes, let me qualify my post by saying my wife is an ER MD that has been working in hospitals in TN and FL since this whole thing began. The patients she's seen present with literally every kind of symptom - heart attacks, rashes, diarrhea, profuse sweating, pink-eye, etc... But the most common trait, particularly in those that are advanced in their illness, is clotting.
She was moved to the ICU in August, and with the exception of a single patient, ALL of them died. She has (and continues) to experience PTSD-level shit. She cries herself to sleep every night. As an ER doc, she never got to know her patients. In the ICU, she's working with patients (and their families) for 30+ days. It has been brutal.
She'll be the first to say it's been politicized, and the numbers/risks are not what they claim. But, for those that get gravely ill, it is every bit as bad as what has happend to Letlow. COVID causes heart attacks due to clotting. This should not be seen as someone who died of a heart attack, and oh, he also had COVID.
They've given us no reason to trust anything they say. All we get are second hand stories of the terror while SO MANY OF US are seeing people quarantined or given medical leave only to return saying they never had any symptoms.
We have had soooooo many at work test positive and get quarantined. Only 1 actually got sick. He's back to work, said it really wasn't that bad. He a 60 year old obese guy and had little issue with it
It's possible but they have lied NON FUCKING STOP.
You don't trust people that aren't honest. Especially when every time some truth gets out, the data gets harder to find. Used to be able to go to CDC website and find the charts and graphs. Those started gaining traction then suddenly became harder and harder to find.
It may be true but after destroying my life this year and having people constantly parroting false info, I don't see why I should believe it.
There are a few people at work who claim thing people are dying from this. They don't understand numbers.
Average age of death to covid is 79. Average life expectancy is 78.54. Oldest person in US is like 115. There are only about 80k people over 100 years old.
Do you know how math works? Because an average of 79 with your upper limit being 115 and only 7ish% of the population older than 79. 93% of the population make up such a small portion of the deaths that the average age is within 8% of the population, the same 8% that already are the majority of deaths!!!
Why should I trust anything they say when a 3rd grade student can figure out something is fucked here.
But seriously, keep in mind that doctors working with the sickest of COVID patients in the ERs and ICUs are not in control of what the media reports - or what the CDC (or even their hospital administration) says.
My ER doc wife has screamed regularly at the TV or computer about blatantly false information being reported. Even about easily verifiable information such as hospital ICU capacity or number of patients. What can she do?
You see what happens to docs who buck the system. It's easy to say, "speak up, tell the truth, quit in protest, etc" but the reality is the medical community is a very small group. If you cross them, your $200k degree becomes worthless. Of this, I am 100% certain, as it nearly happened to wife when she made waves about fraudulent coding for billing. She hasn't been able to find work in our home state ever since.
All-cause fatality is not rising. The infection fatality rate for covid-19 is lower than the seasonal flu for people under 50.
The very worst you can say, based on these numbers, is that covid-19 is mostly killing some percentage of old people who were going to die of some other cause this year.
Quick, destroy the global economy! The massive knock-on increases in suicide, domestic violence, and starvation are a small price to pay in order to save literally fucking no one.
Whether the overall death rate for the year is lower, higher, or stays the same, it doesn't lessen the first-hand experience of those people trying to help the most gravely ill.
I think what most people here fail to see is that it's not black and white. It's not "you believe in masks, so you believe all the hype". That polarization is unfairly casting doubt on those that are taking huge emotional and physical stresses to care for people dying in horrific numbers.
Again, my evidence is only anecdotal, as it is just my wife's perspective as and ER doctor working in the ICU. But, as she put it, those who reach her level of care are sick for so long, that it wipes them all out. Flu + pneumonia = 1 week in ICU at most and then you're either dead, or back in the step-down unit or discharged. With COVID, it's averaging 30 days in the ICU, and ultimately, ends in death. When every one of the 10 patients you're caring for die despite your best efforts and latest therapeutics, and you've developed a bond with the family members (texting, calling, video conferencing) at all hours - even when home trying to rest before your next 12-hr shift - it is devastating.
My wife does NOT wear a mask when shopping. We haven't curtailed our outings. She is resolutely opposed to getting the vaccine, and warns anyone we talk to, to avoid it like the plague.
So you see, you can believe that COVID is real, experience the VERY REAL tragedy that countless patients and their families have endured, but still recognize that power-hungry politicians are taking advantage of the crisis.
Yes. Yes, they do. At least in the ICU where my wife works (central Florida). In August, she had three patients - a mom, dad, and daughter. Mom and dad were in their 60s. Daughter was 41. Dad was intubated when wife took over his care. Mom and daughter were struggling and not tubed yet. Over the course of a few days, both had worsened to where she told them they had to be on a vent. Both steadfastly refused, but as they struggled with every fiber in their body to breath, the ultimately relented.
To the playing of worship music from the mom's phone, they prayed together, and my wife put her on a vent. By the next day, the daughter said, "I'll do it, but only if you're the one who puts me under". Talk about pressure.
Two weeks later the dad died. A week after that, the mother died. The daughter continued to get worse over the course of those next three weeks, and was ultimately transferred to a larger hospital in Orlando, where she was put on ECMO (heart/lung bypass). There she remained for an additional 3 weeks (on ECMO). Wife lost track of her until about a month after that.
She received a phone call from a weak voice who thanked her profusely for not giving up on her. It was the first (and only) successful outcome. Again, she was 41.
One thing that none of the news reports state is that there is a very strong genetic component to the severity of the illness. If one family member ends up gravely ill or succumbing to it, and any other family members are infected, they generally end up in the same condition.
C'mon, now way Covid killed this guy. Does anyone even know what Covid does? Isn't it a respiratory illness? There's an agenda here and it's going to be more control. I'm thinking vaccine endorsements on our ID's. Government control is getting out of hand.
Lol. Ok guy.
Edit: For the record, I'm aware that they are adding all sorts of death causes to the covid column. Still, that doesn't mean you discount the idea of a virus caused blood clot.
Holy shit. Calm down. You just went off the deep end in seconds. lol I'm a mask shill because I'm not discounting the idea that a virus can cause blood clots? How does that even add up?
A virus compromises your immune system. Are blood clots more common in sick patients? Does the flu cause a rise in blood clots? Dude obviously had major heart issues, and those tend to result in clots, too.
The 41-year-old Republican underwent two procedures to treat a blood clot that he developed while he battled the coronavirus.
The CCP virus can cause blood clots and other cardiovascular issues. Common treatments usually include anticoagulants for this reason.
Also, he did not die during heart surgery:
The second operation appeared to be successful on Tuesday but he died later that day from a heart attack at Ochsner LSU Health in Shreveport, the paper reported.
Am I missing something? The article claims he died from a blood clot that was CAUSED by the china virus. So, you could say covid killed him and it wouldn't be a stretch for once. Right?
Edit: It's my understanding the virus can cause blood clots in some people. This has been known for a very long time.
The issue is that they claim EVERYTHING is covid, thus EVERYTHING can be caused by it.
Is a junkie who overdoses while positive for covid a covid death? This logic says yes.
Until they're honest about the virus, I cannot believe any claims of these crazy side effects
Yep. They're out of their minds. Or, more likely, it's been going on for years.
Who is "they"? There is plenty of bunk pseudoscience and fake data, but there is also real data and science that studies this virus. If you disbelieve every topic that someone has ever lied about, how do you even know you're posting here?
Everything I've seen is not presented data, it's emotional manipulation. They tell us they're counting everything as covid, so even the numbers are skewed.
They refers to government health officials, from small to federal.
Fair enough. I've got a close friend who's a physician at a local hospital. He claims that the blood clot situation seems legit. That's my rational for maybe believing it. All I can say for certain though is....FUCK CHINA.
Fuck China indeed.
But if this virus were half as bad as H1N1 was, I'd actually know people who were sick. Few of us do and more people are realizing the bullshit.
I KNEW people with h1n1 and got it myself. That shit was bad and killed young people. People knew people who got sick and it was a frequent conversation topic.
It is not the same with covid despite my social and professional circles being far more expanded than they were in 2009.
I know 6 people who have been diagnosed with "COVID." Hard to tell if it was just bad tests or not.
The virus can also cause your car to explode after questioning the merits of communism. They can give it all the bullshit symptoms they want.
Yep. We've all seen the same things you have. That still doesn't discount that it could be causing blood clots in some people. Maybe very very few, but some.
Aliens are also not ruled out
We can't know because they won't be honest about the virus.
They've given me exactly ZERO reason to trust ANYTHING they say. Everything they say gets repeated so much on social media that people believe it's true despite CDC website and local jurisdiction trackers showing us exactly what's going on.
They've told us FREQUENTLY and CLEARLY they'll attribute any death they can to covid.
We've seen homicides, suicides, and accidents listed as covid.
They trll us it's dangerous but the average age of death is 79 (that's including the "anything is covid" strategy)
Think about it. Average life expectancy is 79. Average age of death is 79. People aren't living much past 100. So, with your ages essentially between 0 and 100 the AVERAGE age of death is 79.
That's ages 0 through 78 having less death than 79 through 100.
Math is important. Numbers that aren't understood can be used to manipulate. 250k deaths from this virus!!! Oh no!!!
But nobody knows that's only HALF of what we'd expect the deaths from medical mistakes!
That's a QUARTER or less of the deaths we'd expect from being FAT AND SEDENTARY!!!!!
It's only logical those 2 categories would overlap with the actual virus deaths.
Blood clots existed before covid-19. Are blood clots slightly more likely when you have the flu? What are the risks associated with, you know, OPEN HEART SURGERY?
At this point, the Wu flu is a permanent, endemic, and all-encompassing blanket "cause" that can be blamed for anything. It's a virus, it's a sickness, it compromises your immune system like any other flu or cold. If you're suffering from a serious health issue, a flu or cold isn't going to help - but it's not "what killed you".
Right or wrong, the point the article was trying to make is that he developed a clot FROM covid. The surgery he underwent was to remove the clot. I'm not saying it's true, but I also won't be foolish enough to discount everything.
Yea that is true the virus can cause blood clots.
I seent it!
Edit: not sure why the downvotes. This is legit. FYI I’m a nurse work in a hospital. The virus causes blood clots in some people.
Yes, but what killed him was after the surgery / complications of the surgery. To say it was COVID implies it was the disease itself and has people thinking it’s like a pneumonia or something similar.
Tragic story overall, Letlow by all accounts was a phenomenal dude, but with everything being attributed to COVID initially made people scared, but with data coming out about it being overhyped, now it makes people skeptical.
This should have been reported differently.
But, again, two things:
At the risk of getting downvotes, let me qualify my post by saying my wife is an ER MD that has been working in hospitals in TN and FL since this whole thing began. The patients she's seen present with literally every kind of symptom - heart attacks, rashes, diarrhea, profuse sweating, pink-eye, etc... But the most common trait, particularly in those that are advanced in their illness, is clotting.
She was moved to the ICU in August, and with the exception of a single patient, ALL of them died. She has (and continues) to experience PTSD-level shit. She cries herself to sleep every night. As an ER doc, she never got to know her patients. In the ICU, she's working with patients (and their families) for 30+ days. It has been brutal.
She'll be the first to say it's been politicized, and the numbers/risks are not what they claim. But, for those that get gravely ill, it is every bit as bad as what has happend to Letlow. COVID causes heart attacks due to clotting. This should not be seen as someone who died of a heart attack, and oh, he also had COVID.
They've given us no reason to trust anything they say. All we get are second hand stories of the terror while SO MANY OF US are seeing people quarantined or given medical leave only to return saying they never had any symptoms.
We have had soooooo many at work test positive and get quarantined. Only 1 actually got sick. He's back to work, said it really wasn't that bad. He a 60 year old obese guy and had little issue with it
Is it possible that most people experience no complications, but the ones who do, get blood clots?
It's possible but they have lied NON FUCKING STOP.
You don't trust people that aren't honest. Especially when every time some truth gets out, the data gets harder to find. Used to be able to go to CDC website and find the charts and graphs. Those started gaining traction then suddenly became harder and harder to find.
It may be true but after destroying my life this year and having people constantly parroting false info, I don't see why I should believe it.
There are a few people at work who claim thing people are dying from this. They don't understand numbers.
Average age of death to covid is 79. Average life expectancy is 78.54. Oldest person in US is like 115. There are only about 80k people over 100 years old.
Do you know how math works? Because an average of 79 with your upper limit being 115 and only 7ish% of the population older than 79. 93% of the population make up such a small portion of the deaths that the average age is within 8% of the population, the same 8% that already are the majority of deaths!!!
Why should I trust anything they say when a 3rd grade student can figure out something is fucked here.
Ha, unless you're not counting Biden voters.
But seriously, keep in mind that doctors working with the sickest of COVID patients in the ERs and ICUs are not in control of what the media reports - or what the CDC (or even their hospital administration) says.
My ER doc wife has screamed regularly at the TV or computer about blatantly false information being reported. Even about easily verifiable information such as hospital ICU capacity or number of patients. What can she do?
You see what happens to docs who buck the system. It's easy to say, "speak up, tell the truth, quit in protest, etc" but the reality is the medical community is a very small group. If you cross them, your $200k degree becomes worthless. Of this, I am 100% certain, as it nearly happened to wife when she made waves about fraudulent coding for billing. She hasn't been able to find work in our home state ever since.
Correct. The OP is fake news, the article lays out what happened pretty clearly.
All-cause fatality is not rising. The infection fatality rate for covid-19 is lower than the seasonal flu for people under 50.
The very worst you can say, based on these numbers, is that covid-19 is mostly killing some percentage of old people who were going to die of some other cause this year.
Quick, destroy the global economy! The massive knock-on increases in suicide, domestic violence, and starvation are a small price to pay in order to save literally fucking no one.
Whether the overall death rate for the year is lower, higher, or stays the same, it doesn't lessen the first-hand experience of those people trying to help the most gravely ill.
I think what most people here fail to see is that it's not black and white. It's not "you believe in masks, so you believe all the hype". That polarization is unfairly casting doubt on those that are taking huge emotional and physical stresses to care for people dying in horrific numbers.
Again, my evidence is only anecdotal, as it is just my wife's perspective as and ER doctor working in the ICU. But, as she put it, those who reach her level of care are sick for so long, that it wipes them all out. Flu + pneumonia = 1 week in ICU at most and then you're either dead, or back in the step-down unit or discharged. With COVID, it's averaging 30 days in the ICU, and ultimately, ends in death. When every one of the 10 patients you're caring for die despite your best efforts and latest therapeutics, and you've developed a bond with the family members (texting, calling, video conferencing) at all hours - even when home trying to rest before your next 12-hr shift - it is devastating.
My wife does NOT wear a mask when shopping. We haven't curtailed our outings. She is resolutely opposed to getting the vaccine, and warns anyone we talk to, to avoid it like the plague.
So you see, you can believe that COVID is real, experience the VERY REAL tragedy that countless patients and their families have endured, but still recognize that power-hungry politicians are taking advantage of the crisis.
yeah I figured. 41 y/o dont die of COVID.
Yes. Yes, they do. At least in the ICU where my wife works (central Florida). In August, she had three patients - a mom, dad, and daughter. Mom and dad were in their 60s. Daughter was 41. Dad was intubated when wife took over his care. Mom and daughter were struggling and not tubed yet. Over the course of a few days, both had worsened to where she told them they had to be on a vent. Both steadfastly refused, but as they struggled with every fiber in their body to breath, the ultimately relented.
To the playing of worship music from the mom's phone, they prayed together, and my wife put her on a vent. By the next day, the daughter said, "I'll do it, but only if you're the one who puts me under". Talk about pressure.
Two weeks later the dad died. A week after that, the mother died. The daughter continued to get worse over the course of those next three weeks, and was ultimately transferred to a larger hospital in Orlando, where she was put on ECMO (heart/lung bypass). There she remained for an additional 3 weeks (on ECMO). Wife lost track of her until about a month after that.
She received a phone call from a weak voice who thanked her profusely for not giving up on her. It was the first (and only) successful outcome. Again, she was 41.
One thing that none of the news reports state is that there is a very strong genetic component to the severity of the illness. If one family member ends up gravely ill or succumbing to it, and any other family members are infected, they generally end up in the same condition.
COVID causes blood clots, a lot of covid deaths are from blood clots. Take your daily aspirin and immunity vitamins
THIS VIRUS CAUSES BLOOD CLOTS TARDS!
C'mon, now way Covid killed this guy. Does anyone even know what Covid does? Isn't it a respiratory illness? There's an agenda here and it's going to be more control. I'm thinking vaccine endorsements on our ID's. Government control is getting out of hand.
They've claimed that for a LONG time. You been under a rock?
Lol. Ok guy. Edit: For the record, I'm aware that they are adding all sorts of death causes to the covid column. Still, that doesn't mean you discount the idea of a virus caused blood clot.
If they haven't been honest, why would I trust that part of it?
Holy shit. Calm down. You just went off the deep end in seconds. lol I'm a mask shill because I'm not discounting the idea that a virus can cause blood clots? How does that even add up?
A virus compromises your immune system. Are blood clots more common in sick patients? Does the flu cause a rise in blood clots? Dude obviously had major heart issues, and those tend to result in clots, too.
He did have heart issues? Do you have a source for that? I hadn't seen that at all.
I think the OP is misinterpreting the article.
The CCP virus can cause blood clots and other cardiovascular issues. Common treatments usually include anticoagulants for this reason.
Also, he did not die during heart surgery: