Especially since they may be MAKING them addicts..
I will quibble with this only because I firmly believe in personal responsibility. I also think that all drugs should be legal. This poor soul chose unwisely...
Yeah, SOME doctors underprescribe them NOW. the guy I used to buy weed from back in the day (like 10 years ago) would make a run down to Florida a couple times a year and come back with a MOUNTAIN of pills. Because of shit like that when I had surgery a couple years ago, I left the hospital with 8 stitches and 20 staples running down my ass crack, they have me a handful of fucking Tylenol....
I agree with regard to opiate painkillers which though super addictive are very safe when taken in moderation (i.e. not to overdose levels). Benzos are still handed out like candy and, unlike opiates, withdrawing from those can be fatal even from using them as-prescribed.
It's a short term addiction, not a long term like meth, pills, and heroin. But I guess anyone can get truly addicted to any substance at the same time.
I understand, I have fucked up with pills before. What I was saying is the high doesn't seem to be enjoyable, but I get what you are saying, it's not about the high but some other weakness in the person that seeks hard drugs. Sad.
spez: And I guess I will challenge your point because I did "come back". I know that I am one of the luckily ones though.. Or just at least a hard headed idiot, kek
Friends brother is all but destroyed by meth... he had a hard life, dyslexic etc and worked for cash his whole life... used drugs to get "up" for a few days, then would crash hard... sometimes not hear from him for 1-2 weeks... then "everything fine" for a time... and all the while, he loses weight, facial scars and scabs and over 5 years all his teeth fall out... he has tried to quit, and tried to stay clean- and amazingly has few health problems as yet. But it's just sad and nothing they have tried to do has helped. It's a tough road, and I would pray that anyone who falls down gets help...
Even alcohol and tobacco can slowly kill if abused long term. Totally with you on meth. That one is alluring. You feel like you can do ANYTHING and you never think you can get hooked until you're too deep into it. Portland is a major distribution point of Mexican cartel meth so I'm not surprised it's what fuels Rose City Antifa.
We can agree to disagree, that's fine. But to answer your question, yes I think PCP should be legal, it is nobodies call to tell me what I can and cannot put in my body but my own. Now, if I commit some crime like drive while intoxicated or even public weridness where I am being a problem, then arrest me on those charges. But that's a big no from me dawg, legalize all drugs and put the cartels the fuck out of business.
Maybe in your own house where all the property is yours, and only if you have no children.
My other beef with this line of thinking is that libertarianism actually ends up helping leftism because it's easy for politicians to liberalise drugs but hard to cut welfare.
Good point, that shit is death. I guess we would have to have a serious discussion and re-classify almost every drug. My original comment was much too broad but it's hard to get your full feelings, on a subject that I have done a ton of thinking on, into one shit post. kek, you got me though...
Crime is part of the bill. We'll never arrive at a perfect solution, but we should be able to agree that the most damaging and addictive substances be at least restricted. Meth and fentanyl are biggies. Coke and heroin deserve consideration.
Yes and no. Chances are she didn't have full information when she started down the path, but she did choose to start down the path, unless they restrained her and forced the drugs in I suppose.
Never met a druggie that didn't regret their choices to get where they are, but at the same time many of them would make the same decisions again.
I agree. In addition, so many times this happens to those who come from homes where parents don't provide quality guidance. Results in an underdeveloped sense of self.
I will quibble with this only because I firmly believe in personal responsibility. I also think that all drugs should be legal. This poor soul chose unwisely...
You've never seen what meth does to a person. It takes a moment of weakness to ruin a life.
Weed? Alcohol? Coffee? Tobacco? You can "try" those and come back. You can live on them daily, and then decide you are done.
The things we call hard drugs are NOT the same.
This, this this. Two major surgeries in one month. Sent home with 12 pills. 12 lousy pills and six months recovery.
Yeah, SOME doctors underprescribe them NOW. the guy I used to buy weed from back in the day (like 10 years ago) would make a run down to Florida a couple times a year and come back with a MOUNTAIN of pills. Because of shit like that when I had surgery a couple years ago, I left the hospital with 8 stitches and 20 staples running down my ass crack, they have me a handful of fucking Tylenol....
I agree with regard to opiate painkillers which though super addictive are very safe when taken in moderation (i.e. not to overdose levels). Benzos are still handed out like candy and, unlike opiates, withdrawing from those can be fatal even from using them as-prescribed.
Or something worse
We're human. In any profession, there are bad people. And in liberal environments, they try to pressure us to be like this.
Those are things mostly prescribed by psychiatrists, not normal doctors. Psychiatrists over prescribe them and doctors under prescribe them
Cocaine? That’s like the quintessential severe addiction drug
It's a short term addiction, not a long term like meth, pills, and heroin. But I guess anyone can get truly addicted to any substance at the same time.
I understand, I have fucked up with pills before. What I was saying is the high doesn't seem to be enjoyable, but I get what you are saying, it's not about the high but some other weakness in the person that seeks hard drugs. Sad.
spez: And I guess I will challenge your point because I did "come back". I know that I am one of the luckily ones though.. Or just at least a hard headed idiot, kek
Friends brother is all but destroyed by meth... he had a hard life, dyslexic etc and worked for cash his whole life... used drugs to get "up" for a few days, then would crash hard... sometimes not hear from him for 1-2 weeks... then "everything fine" for a time... and all the while, he loses weight, facial scars and scabs and over 5 years all his teeth fall out... he has tried to quit, and tried to stay clean- and amazingly has few health problems as yet. But it's just sad and nothing they have tried to do has helped. It's a tough road, and I would pray that anyone who falls down gets help...
Even alcohol and tobacco can slowly kill if abused long term. Totally with you on meth. That one is alluring. You feel like you can do ANYTHING and you never think you can get hooked until you're too deep into it. Portland is a major distribution point of Mexican cartel meth so I'm not surprised it's what fuels Rose City Antifa.
We can agree to disagree, that's fine. But to answer your question, yes I think PCP should be legal, it is nobodies call to tell me what I can and cannot put in my body but my own. Now, if I commit some crime like drive while intoxicated or even public weridness where I am being a problem, then arrest me on those charges. But that's a big no from me dawg, legalize all drugs and put the cartels the fuck out of business.
Maybe in your own house where all the property is yours, and only if you have no children.
My other beef with this line of thinking is that libertarianism actually ends up helping leftism because it's easy for politicians to liberalise drugs but hard to cut welfare.
Good point, that shit is death. I guess we would have to have a serious discussion and re-classify almost every drug. My original comment was much too broad but it's hard to get your full feelings, on a subject that I have done a ton of thinking on, into one shit post. kek, you got me though...
a fully semi automatic gun with a few assault clips can kill people too, not sure you want that legal
not street legal but decriminalized. Get caught? straight to mandatory rehab
My man. If someone wants to destroy their life, I say let em. Just don’t foot me for the bill.
Families always suffer for an addict. Nobody does that bullshit in a void.
Furthermore society pays a massive price for addiction.
That is my theory in a hypothetical world. In the real world it never works that way. Someone else always pays the price.
Agreed.
Crime is part of the bill. We'll never arrive at a perfect solution, but we should be able to agree that the most damaging and addictive substances be at least restricted. Meth and fentanyl are biggies. Coke and heroin deserve consideration.
Pot should be nowhere on this list.
We did it right in the 50s.
Drugs put it in prison and exiled you from society.
Big prison and Military industrial complex loves it!
Yes and no. Chances are she didn't have full information when she started down the path, but she did choose to start down the path, unless they restrained her and forced the drugs in I suppose.
Never met a druggie that didn't regret their choices to get where they are, but at the same time many of them would make the same decisions again.
I will agree with you on the regret part but true liberty will unfortunately allow for bad decisions. It's a small price to pay but one none the less.
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I agree. In addition, so many times this happens to those who come from homes where parents don't provide quality guidance. Results in an underdeveloped sense of self.