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Rucktoe 21 points ago +21 / -0

I think this is a more accurate representation.

The World was watching the Revolution and saw that Freedom and Liberty were virtues every man could obtain.

The World still watches the United States of America and prays that Freedom and Liberty will prevail.

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Oback_Barama 11 points ago +12 / -1

A Civil War is when two factions are fighting to control one country. (this is what we have now).

"The Civil War" was more like a failed revolutionary war for the South. (they just wanted to leave)

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NostalgicFuturist 2 points ago +8 / -6

Lincoln didn't go to war with the South. The South started a war with the United States, and Lincoln defended it.

Trump is at war with the entire Swamp/DS/Democrat/RINO/Big Tech/MSM/Globalist coalition, which is staging a coup not to secede but to take over the entire country. But he has an army, We the People.

Of course hostile foreign powers are also involved, China above all. That's nothing new. Take cotton-hungry Britain during the (previous) Civil War. Private British citizens secretly funded the Confederacy and built their warships. (They did this without official approval from the "neutral" Crown--i.e., the Crown looked the other way.)

Britain is involved in this war, too, and not on our side, I suspect.

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ModernKnight 7 points ago +7 / -0

Eh, the start of the civil war was quite a bit more complicated than that. The North refused to give the South their forts when the South separated, effectively an act of war even if no shots are fired. The South opened hostilities to remove foreign troops from their borders.

But other than that, this is a very good comparison.

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NostalgicFuturist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Oh yes, it was nothing if not complicated. Bear with me while I go into the complexities to back up my assertion, which I can only justify by supplying the missing qualifications.

SECESSION

As far as the Civil War is concerned, Fort Sumpter was the explosion, but it was lit by more than one fuse, each of them going back a long way. It’s not just difficult to say who started the war, it’s even a little tricky to pinpoint WHEN it started.

Union soldiers refused to evacuate because South Carolina had declared a secession Lincoln considered illegal; he saw it as an insurrection justifying military occupation. As far as South Carolina was concerned, once-fellow-American soldiers had now become foreign invaders of a sovereign power. Hence the bombardment. South Carolina believed the North had started a war. For the North it was the other way around: A rebellious state militia had attacked Federal troops. The more radical Republicans believed this wasn’t just rebellion; it was outright treason; the harshest punitive measures were called for, including executions, once the war was won.

This raises an interesting question. IS secession treason, according to the Constitution? This article argues that it isn’t.

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/blog/was-secession-treason/

The Constitution doesn’t mention “secession.” Three states explicitly demanded a right to secede as a condition for ratifying it--including Virginia, but also New York. Wasn’t the War of Independence an act of secession from the British? The Constitution tried to resolve the conflict between states’ rights and the central government—the “States” in “the United States of America” vs. the “United.” Clearly it didn’t exactly succeed. Each new territory polarized Southern and Northern states into Slave and Free. Kansas became a battleground. Pierce fanned the flames through pro-Southern partisanship. Legislative compromises repeatedly failed and matters got out of all legal and political control. The momentum towards war became unstoppable. The powder keg was already stuffed with powder. It was just a question of who would strike the match.

As for the “right” to secession: the Constitution does enjoin the President, as his first duty, to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States; the Uniformed Services oath adds “from its enemies, foreign and domestic”—and Trump is Commander-in-Chief. This duty “Trumps” every other consideration, including that of states’ rights. (The Constitution IS the United States in this sense: It CONSTITUTES it.) The Constitution doesn’t have to mention secession, because by seceding a state makes itself a domestic enemy. The verbal promises of a right to secession, made to three states in the heat of Constitutional Convention negotiations, isn’t actually included in any section, paragraph or clause IN the Constitution. Secession isn’t mentioned, but neither is any RIGHT to secession.

ABOLITION

Lincoln had been arguing against slavery at least as far back as the Cooper Union speech (in a scholarly way, with respect to the legalities of the Slave vs. Free State question). But early in his Presidency he was relatively quiet on the issue (partly to avoid alienating the Free Soil Democrats he had to work both with and against). His emphasis was on preserving the Union. But the South seceded primarily because the Republicans were clamoring for abolition, and they didn't distinguish between the Radicals and the more moderate President. This was an “existential threat’ to the South’s feudal economy and its ruling class. Secession was its pre-emptive threat-response. The point of no return had already been passed; no Free-Soiler compromise was acceptable to either side. Sooner or later Lincoln had to make abolishing slavery not just an explicit cause for fighting the war, but a Cause. After Antietam that’s exactly what he did with the Emancipation Proclamation.

Constitutional authority goes only so far in extreme situations. There is also the MORAL issue, above and beyond even the highest Law of the Land. Slavery in modern terms is a crime against humanity (or human rights violation). John Brown (a kind of AntiFa extremist lunatic, it’s true) believed the South was already waging war against the human race and God just by enslaving blacks. If the South had seceded in order to preserve a Baal cult, would we say they had a state’s-rights justification for doing so, on Constitutional grounds—i.e., the Tenth Amendment? Would having a child-sacrifice cult be among the rights not enumerated in the preceding Amendments and therefore reserved to the states?

When Lincoln proclaimed “a new birth of freedom” he was perhaps implying that the Civil War was a second Revolution. (This was Gore Vidal’s take in "Lincoln".) The Emancipation Proclamation was the Declaration of Independence (All men are created equal) re-written to explicitly include black people.

PRESERVING THE UNION

So did the North or the South start the war? The South thought they were defending themselves against foreign invasion: “Northern aggression.” Lincoln believed it was the South that had started HOSTILITIES. He refused even to recognize that a Secession had happened. He treated it as an uprising by states (or even just the leaders of those states) who were nevertheless still part of the Union, whether they liked it or not. The uprising had to be met with force; in that sense Lincoln’s war was a form of riot control.

It’s my personal opinion that Lincoln was right to consider the Secession an insurrection (so, for the matter, is this Election’s voter fraud); and on the ground there’s not much difference between staging an insurrection and starting a war. He was also right to fear that if the South managed to secede, it would start a balkanizing chain-reaction ending in complete disintegration of the nation the Patriots fought for and our Forefathers founded. A house divided against itself cannot stand.

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Junionthepipeline 1 point ago +1 / -0

I got bad news for you.the north started that one.

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Marius 4 points ago +4 / -0

This battle should be much easier than the Civil War so long as the will to take action is present. It won't be easy to dethrone the Deep State but the fight will be short and sharp.

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ModernKnight 3 points ago +3 / -0

Assuming they don't call in foreign allies. I don't think they will, but then again I never thought they would be this obvious about their cheating, so...

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CommieCucker 13 points ago +15 / -2

Read more about Lincoln and then reevaluate your opinion of him :p Lincoln is the guy who cemented big government and the central bank, the real reasons for the war

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DrCowboyPresident 9 points ago +9 / -0

The real reason: Money

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Jleinf 2 points ago +2 / -0

This- Lincoln history is mostly lies and big government propaganda

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Tom_Platz_of_Abs 2 points ago +2 / -0

He wasn’t president when it started.

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CommieCucker 8 points ago +8 / -0

His platform was the central bank, which was causing the trouble that started before he ran. It wasn't the first time the central banks tried to get their fingers in.

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IndelibleHippocampus 13 points ago +13 / -0

Our moral high ground is much higher than that of Lincoln's, IMO. Lincoln's motives are debatable, ours are crystal clear:

The consent of the governed -- our contract with government has been violated. Government has failed to live up to its end of the bargain (allowing us to have honest elections and to leave our duly elected representatives unmolested) and thus has ripped up that contract.

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publ1us 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is the correct answer.

Source: The Declaration of Independence

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TaggartCiscontinenta 11 points ago +12 / -1

This is worse, in fact. The secessionists wanted to be left to their own devices, took their ball and went home. The left has come to us, taken our ball and appointed themselves not only our opponent but the referee as well.

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Tom_Platz_of_Abs 5 points ago +5 / -0

Civil War didn’t start under Lincoln. The president before him just wallowed around once Calhoun fought back against the taxation of their textiles.

By the way some Indian half black bitch is destroying the Calhoun family all because his great great great granddaughter sent a monkey symbol during a fight.

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linkforyou 4 points ago +5 / -1

This is what we're doing today? Arguing that the war of northern aggression was just?

  • war was primarily about economics and states' rights
  • slavery became a focus once it was clear the south was winning, it was used to recruit forgein aid
  • Brittish empire already laid out a better model of banning slavery

Society allowed the ownership of slaves. Law abiding citizens of that society bought owned slaves legally. You can't be telling me it was just for society to change its opinion and demand citizens be stripped of their wealth or killed.

Let's consider what happens in 100 years when the vegans shift enough sentiment that society decides owning farm animals is immoral. By your arguments here, it will be just then to demand all farmers relinquish their investment in livestock or be killed. Even though those farmers are right now doing something legal that we rely on.

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Badradness 2 points ago +2 / -0

Insurrection Act now!

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AllAmericanAdonis 2 points ago +2 / -0

Cruise missiles to Soro's houses. One step ahead of you!

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Desert_raindrops 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes but it’s not half the country that’s against us. That’s just been their narrative we’re finding out now could be 35 to 40% of the country. We are definitely in the majority there will be no need for civil war.

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MAGASquatch 1 point ago +1 / -0

Our war is not with the our fellow Americans; it is with the DEEP STATE and the CCP.

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Easter_Bunny 1 point ago +1 / -0

And we've all been buying out ammo for 10 months. Hahahahah

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Camel-Toe-Harris 1 point ago +1 / -0

The liberal media is the first ones to be tried for treason.

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GiveMe1776 1 point ago +1 / -0

A lot of people even on TDW still don’t get it....

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Belleoffreedom 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh, they're scared. And dangerous.

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Elariom23 1 point ago +1 / -0

Remind me again, they are scared of what?

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TheKillingWords 7 points ago +7 / -0

I see someone's wanting revenge for the beating the Proud Boys gave you antifags in DC last time.

It's ok, we understand you can't do it yourselves and need others to do the hard work for you. That sums up your entire lives.

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Brundlefly78 5 points ago +5 / -0

Deported faggot

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Rwkp [S] 2 points ago +4 / -2

Ah still siding with the confederates, doesn't surprise me.

I would rather want you come and try fuck around with us, but I understand you'd want someone else to do this for you too!

How are your 80 million+ new friends?

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Brundlefly78 2 points ago +2 / -0

Deported faggot

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AllAmericanAdonis 1 point ago +1 / -0

Deported bad TRANNY. Definably sounds like a bitch with a beard.

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Brundlefly78 4 points ago +4 / -0

I laugh at your futile attempt coming on here. We deport chicom shills for breakfast. Die angry faggot........bye👋

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Atldtw 3 points ago +3 / -0

I don’t doubt you. Just confirms how you have nothing better to do than troll and trigger yourself.

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ContraryCynic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wow, you are, not very good at this, are you? Like, I feel like I'm listening to someone read lines in a play, you know, that third-grade monotone when the speaker doesn't know how to add emotion.

Are you a text-to-speech bot?

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medicpatriot 2 points ago +2 / -0

We know, you like the corrupt government authoritarianism. You take that big government banker cock, boy. I support LGBT rights and I don't judge.

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NinjaPede 2 points ago +2 / -0

bUt mUH ACAB.

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Rwkp [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Your candidate can't articulate a simple sentence and is a compromised Chinese cuck.

Btw when your candidate has already won they why are we still living rent free? 😂

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