They at least did not reguralry shoot/kill/torture children. I will not defend Soviets, I hate them. My country was occupied first by Germans then by Soviets. I remember Soviets personally and I have talked to many people who remembered Nazis personally. The Nazi madness was however even more crazy and intense. Whole villages burned. Children used as experimental animals. Murders on industrial scale. That said, there would have been enough material for Moscow Trials, if the US Army had not stopped in Pilsen.
Dude, they absolutely did. They lit people on fire. They raped millions of women. The NAZIs were no doubt evil, but what happened to ethnic Germans in the aftermath of both WW1 and WW2 was nothing short of a crime against humanity. People should have been punished, but because the Holocaust was so bad, people readily accept that it was deserved. And it wasn’t just on the eastern front, it happened on the western side as well. Maybe this is just the nature of losing a war, but we still have college professors in America who challenge that the Ukrainian Holocaust even happened.
I have no sympathy for NAZIs. My family has NAZI memorabilia my grandfather took from the NAZIs he killed. However, to displace, torture, rape and kill entire populations because of their ethnicity and the crimes their government committed was a disgusting crime. Knowing the things our government has done, I’m very hesitant to blame a population for the crimes of their government.
Sadly, there was a strong support for Hitler and Nazis from German people. In Czechoslovakia, there was a strong support for Hitler from ethic Germans, citizens of Czechoslovakia. They betrayed their own country. Not all of them, of course. Anyway, both Germans and Soviets committed horrible crimes, we can agree on that. Soviets won the war, so they did not face any trials. But after WWI there was no need for Nuremberg Trials, because while the war was cruel and bloody, there was not that evil inhuman insanity that happened in WWII. What happened in WWII was just beyond human comprehension.
Good to know Americans did nothing of the kind, right? The only country to ever use nuclear weapons in a war is ACSHUALLY the "good guys" after all. lol
Every objective analytical analysis has shown that the 2 atomic bombs saved far more lives than they took, due to the tens of millions of Japanese people (civilian and military, but mostly civilian) on the mainland that were fanatically devoted to their god emperor, and all ready to fight to the death.
It saved Japanese lives in the final tally, and it sure as hell saved Allied lives.
Either you know nothing of the material details of history and are just regurgitating some narrative you were handed at some ridiculous degree printing shop, or you have an agenda.
Many years ago a friend had a co-worker who was an old Japanese woman. She claimed that when she was a kid she was taught how to drown people as they believed there was going to be a major assault from the sea. Being an island I suppose that's obvious. Different people were taught to do different things to defend Japan. If the lady was telling the truth they were prepared to sacrifice their kids to do it. My friend trusted her word for whatever worth that is.
Based on the voluminous statements by so many Japanese in the post-WWII decades that soon followed, there is no reason to doubt the veracity of what she said.
History is written by the winners, so it's no wonder the US tries to justify it by any means. The exact same reasoning can be used as an excuse for launching nuclear weapons in any major war.
"German men were actively dying during the war, so we had to rape German women to save their population" - Russians, probably. Sounds about as reasonable as your excuse. If the Germans had won, they too would try their best to make excuses about the way they treated Jews
Your retort is shallow, and bears the same observation I made previously about your comprehension of history. However, now what needs to be added is that you do not understand how decisions like that are made in armed conflict.
De facto, if your statement was true, nuclear weapons would have been utilized in every major conflict since then, by a nuclear-armed power, and that has happened ZERO times, although, unfortunately, there have been plenty of major conflicts in which it may have been utilized as an option.
I support the use of those nukes. The alternative, an invasion of Japan, would have been many more dead. The Japanese were arming their civilians for an attack and telling them that they would be tortured and raped by Americans, and they would have fought to the death, women and children included. A million casualties, most of whom would have been civilians. In many ways, what the Japanese did was as bad or worse than the NAZIs. For whatever reason, their crimes were not focused on as much.
That being said, there is no shortage of crimes committed by Americans in war. That’s the nature of war. What happened to the German people after both great wars was an atrocity that went overlooked, and it has continued to this day as they are now forced to take refugees who never suffered because of the NAZI regime and in many cases did and still support the eradication of Jews.
War is terrible and all sides do/did bad shit, i think we can agree. But i say we focus on our own war & how high is appropriate to drop commies and cucks from choppers...in minecraft
The USSR raped every woman they could find during their march to Germany.
No prosecutions.
They at least did not reguralry shoot/kill/torture children. I will not defend Soviets, I hate them. My country was occupied first by Germans then by Soviets. I remember Soviets personally and I have talked to many people who remembered Nazis personally. The Nazi madness was however even more crazy and intense. Whole villages burned. Children used as experimental animals. Murders on industrial scale. That said, there would have been enough material for Moscow Trials, if the US Army had not stopped in Pilsen.
Dude, they absolutely did. They lit people on fire. They raped millions of women. The NAZIs were no doubt evil, but what happened to ethnic Germans in the aftermath of both WW1 and WW2 was nothing short of a crime against humanity. People should have been punished, but because the Holocaust was so bad, people readily accept that it was deserved. And it wasn’t just on the eastern front, it happened on the western side as well. Maybe this is just the nature of losing a war, but we still have college professors in America who challenge that the Ukrainian Holocaust even happened.
I have no sympathy for NAZIs. My family has NAZI memorabilia my grandfather took from the NAZIs he killed. However, to displace, torture, rape and kill entire populations because of their ethnicity and the crimes their government committed was a disgusting crime. Knowing the things our government has done, I’m very hesitant to blame a population for the crimes of their government.
Sadly, there was a strong support for Hitler and Nazis from German people. In Czechoslovakia, there was a strong support for Hitler from ethic Germans, citizens of Czechoslovakia. They betrayed their own country. Not all of them, of course. Anyway, both Germans and Soviets committed horrible crimes, we can agree on that. Soviets won the war, so they did not face any trials. But after WWI there was no need for Nuremberg Trials, because while the war was cruel and bloody, there was not that evil inhuman insanity that happened in WWII. What happened in WWII was just beyond human comprehension.
It was him or the Communists. People conveniently forget about the Reds rampaging across Europe in the 20s-30s
Good to know Americans did nothing of the kind, right? The only country to ever use nuclear weapons in a war is ACSHUALLY the "good guys" after all. lol
Every objective analytical analysis has shown that the 2 atomic bombs saved far more lives than they took, due to the tens of millions of Japanese people (civilian and military, but mostly civilian) on the mainland that were fanatically devoted to their god emperor, and all ready to fight to the death.
It saved Japanese lives in the final tally, and it sure as hell saved Allied lives.
Either you know nothing of the material details of history and are just regurgitating some narrative you were handed at some ridiculous degree printing shop, or you have an agenda.
Many years ago a friend had a co-worker who was an old Japanese woman. She claimed that when she was a kid she was taught how to drown people as they believed there was going to be a major assault from the sea. Being an island I suppose that's obvious. Different people were taught to do different things to defend Japan. If the lady was telling the truth they were prepared to sacrifice their kids to do it. My friend trusted her word for whatever worth that is.
Based on the voluminous statements by so many Japanese in the post-WWII decades that soon followed, there is no reason to doubt the veracity of what she said.
History is written by the winners, so it's no wonder the US tries to justify it by any means. The exact same reasoning can be used as an excuse for launching nuclear weapons in any major war.
"German men were actively dying during the war, so we had to rape German women to save their population" - Russians, probably. Sounds about as reasonable as your excuse. If the Germans had won, they too would try their best to make excuses about the way they treated Jews
Your retort is shallow, and bears the same observation I made previously about your comprehension of history. However, now what needs to be added is that you do not understand how decisions like that are made in armed conflict.
De facto, if your statement was true, nuclear weapons would have been utilized in every major conflict since then, by a nuclear-armed power, and that has happened ZERO times, although, unfortunately, there have been plenty of major conflicts in which it may have been utilized as an option.
I support the use of those nukes. The alternative, an invasion of Japan, would have been many more dead. The Japanese were arming their civilians for an attack and telling them that they would be tortured and raped by Americans, and they would have fought to the death, women and children included. A million casualties, most of whom would have been civilians. In many ways, what the Japanese did was as bad or worse than the NAZIs. For whatever reason, their crimes were not focused on as much.
That being said, there is no shortage of crimes committed by Americans in war. That’s the nature of war. What happened to the German people after both great wars was an atrocity that went overlooked, and it has continued to this day as they are now forced to take refugees who never suffered because of the NAZI regime and in many cases did and still support the eradication of Jews.
War is terrible and all sides do/did bad shit, i think we can agree. But i say we focus on our own war & how high is appropriate to drop commies and cucks from choppers...in minecraft