Libertarianism would be great if everyone were a libertarian. Everyone is not. I'm sooooo sick of libertarians' attitude of shrugging their shoulders over principled stands so they can lose with dignity.
If you're a principled believer in federalism, that's what you end up with. It's somewhat strange that the federal government can tell the states their votes don't count.
I say the ends justify the means in this case, but I can see the federalist argument.
Not really, it doesn't affect the other state's votes. It doesn't even dilute them as the number of votes any state has is fixed. Affecting the outcome is not the same thing as making votes not count.
Keep in mind the states can hold shitty elections with no safeguards if they want, or even no elections at all, that's their prerogative under the Constitution.
It'd be more legit if there was actual controversy about who the state government appointed as electors (e.g. in a decertification scenario where the state legislature claims a different set of electors than the governor), but Congress really has no business adjudicating the manner in which the state appointed its electors when neither the state legislature, executive, or judicial branch disagree on who the state appointed.
I can see a role for the federal judiciary branch to intervene to the extent that the US Constitution was violated, but a Congressional veto over state electoral votes is anti-federalist.
Uhh GF... that’s the biggest misunderstanding of federalism then. otherwise we would be a bunch of independent states with bilateral treaties like Europe.
The federal govt, is there to protect individual rights, states rights, and interface the wider world with a titular head of state, all of which are being violated at the moment
This Congressional veto over state EVs, as it's being applied, implies it's unconditional.
So theoretically if a majority of Congress (or if you believe in #PenceCard, literally just one dude) just doesn't like a certain State they can tell them and their EVs to get fucked for no reason at all. This kind of Congressional control over who gets a say in the federal executive branch seems very much at odds with federalism.
Yeah, but its constitutional, so it doesnt matter. Would you rather have some pie in the sky Federalist ideal, or follow the constitution? The federalism flows from following the constitution. Its not a thing in itself.; if it were then the whole thing would collapse.
It sort of like if your neighbor steals your car, you call the police, but they wont seize and return the car to you, the rightful owner, because they are worried about violating the thief’s property rights. It makes no sense whatsoever
Rand is a typical libertarian, classical liberal brain that Robert Frost described as "A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel."
She is a politician first and foremost. Don't be surprised if she attempts to run as an "outsider" in 2024. She is my rep, and I've been watching how she votes. Don't trust her at all.
Hijacking to mention that she has the lowest conservative rating among the GOP. Im glad she's objecting, but in terms of her voting record, she's practically a democrat. She's like the reverse romney and votes with us on important shit, against us on meh bills that add up to problems over time.
She doesn't want to spoil her 2024 chances. Everything she does is calculated. From the beginning I've been warning about her. They a grooming a new version of Nikki Haley essentially since the other one spoiled.
It’s the good investigation done by multiple people that is being consolidated in simpler clearer points that she probalbly heard on the previous phone call (the Friday call with state legislatures, not the suicidal call with the GA sec of state that is all over the news)
There needs to be a master list of who stands up and who didn't on this site. Not just a sticky but a actual static page that will stay so we all know who to primary and take out in 2022.
Well no. I don’t want blind loyalty. She should have called the President directly to learn why section 230 is such a serious threat to national security. I’m sure she was told by the pro pentagon crowd (that she talks to all the time) that everything in NDAA is fine.
I don't want blind loyalty either. But you've got to know what your voting on and shouldn't vote if you don't, that's absurd. She should read up and do her own research, what's the difference between blind trust and blindly taking the pro pentagon crowd's word?
Considering what's being asked for in the objection, at least as far as ted cruz's objection, any (r)Congress critter who doesn't object is sealing their fate in '22. Who can explain to voters that establishing a commission to look at the allegations is a bad thing? Even normies would scratch their heads and primary those cowardly fuckers.
I admire Elise Stefanik. She's really done an excellent job these last four years. She started with calling out James Comey for not informing the House Intelligence Committee about Crossfire Hurricane and ends the four years by objecting to vote fraud. She's a rock and deserves re-election. She's one we can count on.
Omg. I think I get it. I think Trump intends to have the civil war fought inside congress and in the senate and then when it shows that the left doesn’t want to keep our elections free or fair. He has got em. They lose. We win he won. They cheated. We not only know it. They know it. And if they don’t concede to a real look into the fraud. They are done. We have every right to over throw them. Like legit. The civil war/new American revolution will start on the 6th. We can see how the law is now broken. The judicial branch Doesn’t care or is corrupt. Anyone attempting to not be fair to ease more than half of the registered voters is the enemy. Out right. To the constitution. Wow. The mad lad is taking us to the precipice and letting us jump like mad lads. Fuck this is great.
Maybe Elise can have a chat with the weak-kneed Senator Cotton.
And Rand.
And Zeldin.
Rand? Pretty sure rand is objecting. But rand also hates everything that involves the government.
Nope. He’s already said multiple times Congress shouldn’t overturn electors, even if they are fraudulent.
People need to ride his ass
"Even if they are fraudulent"
UGH. Not good Rand.
That’s in fewer words, pretty much what he said.
Libertarianism would be great if everyone were a libertarian. Everyone is not. I'm sooooo sick of libertarians' attitude of shrugging their shoulders over principled stands so they can lose with dignity.
Time to make a joke about libertarians taking the title of the work "Atlas Shrugged" a bit too literally.
He said that most likely cause he probably knows trumps base will annihilate government. He wins that way lol
No he said it because he is a weak spineless pussy
If you're a principled believer in federalism, that's what you end up with. It's somewhat strange that the federal government can tell the states their votes don't count.
I say the ends justify the means in this case, but I can see the federalist argument.
Not really, it doesn't affect the other state's votes. It doesn't even dilute them as the number of votes any state has is fixed. Affecting the outcome is not the same thing as making votes not count.
Keep in mind the states can hold shitty elections with no safeguards if they want, or even no elections at all, that's their prerogative under the Constitution.
It'd be more legit if there was actual controversy about who the state government appointed as electors (e.g. in a decertification scenario where the state legislature claims a different set of electors than the governor), but Congress really has no business adjudicating the manner in which the state appointed its electors when neither the state legislature, executive, or judicial branch disagree on who the state appointed.
I can see a role for the federal judiciary branch to intervene to the extent that the US Constitution was violated, but a Congressional veto over state electoral votes is anti-federalist.
Uhh GF... that’s the biggest misunderstanding of federalism then. otherwise we would be a bunch of independent states with bilateral treaties like Europe.
The federal govt, is there to protect individual rights, states rights, and interface the wider world with a titular head of state, all of which are being violated at the moment
This Congressional veto over state EVs, as it's being applied, implies it's unconditional.
So theoretically if a majority of Congress (or if you believe in #PenceCard, literally just one dude) just doesn't like a certain State they can tell them and their EVs to get fucked for no reason at all. This kind of Congressional control over who gets a say in the federal executive branch seems very much at odds with federalism.
Yeah, but its constitutional, so it doesnt matter. Would you rather have some pie in the sky Federalist ideal, or follow the constitution? The federalism flows from following the constitution. Its not a thing in itself.; if it were then the whole thing would collapse.
It sort of like if your neighbor steals your car, you call the police, but they wont seize and return the car to you, the rightful owner, because they are worried about violating the thief’s property rights. It makes no sense whatsoever
Where's this statement? I'll drop my support for Rand (which is a lot more than most) if you can cite this.
Rand is a typical libertarian, classical liberal brain that Robert Frost described as "A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel."
He's been going back and forth.
Good because she was on my shit list recently for overriding Trump’s veto. 😉
Elise voted to override GEOTUS' NDAA veto. She's the upstate NY version of Neocon Nikki Haley. Thanks for objecting though, Elise.
She is a politician first and foremost. Don't be surprised if she attempts to run as an "outsider" in 2024. She is my rep, and I've been watching how she votes. Don't trust her at all.
At this point, it would be nice if we could flush all of the career politicians down the toilet and return things to how they were before.
Public service, in Congress, shouldn't be a career choice. It should be an imposition and a service to the country.
Came into this thread to say this. Thank you.
Hijacking to mention that she has the lowest conservative rating among the GOP. Im glad she's objecting, but in terms of her voting record, she's practically a democrat. She's like the reverse romney and votes with us on important shit, against us on meh bills that add up to problems over time.
I'd like to know why she voted to overturn the President's veto on the NDAA. Not complaining, but as a constituent I wanna know. Trust but verify.
She doesn't want to spoil her 2024 chances. Everything she does is calculated. From the beginning I've been warning about her. They a grooming a new version of Nikki Haley essentially since the other one spoiled.
Excellent point. Her support of the SJW statue teardowns was her playing her hand too brazenly.
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Was waiting for this. Her district is super Trump country in upstate. So many signs for her and trump were out for her in the last year up here.
Nice, now we got awoman
Underrated comment.
I just emailed Katko in the neighboring district to ask him what he is going to do and encourage him to object as well. Let's see if he responds.
Haha he’s a cuck, good luck.
I say that with sincerity since upstate is a shithole.
It’s the good investigation done by multiple people that is being consolidated in simpler clearer points that she probalbly heard on the previous phone call (the Friday call with state legislatures, not the suicidal call with the GA sec of state that is all over the news)
SLOW, but better late than never... god our "party" is full of fucksticks
There needs to be a master list of who stands up and who didn't on this site. Not just a sticky but a actual static page that will stay so we all know who to primary and take out in 2022.
Wasnt she called a traitor and a rino from a lot of people here just a week ago? So she is good now?
Prime example is Dan Crenshaw right now he is literally MCcain but months ago he was the savior of the Republic.
What has Crenshaw said recently that makes him McCain? I haven't listened to him since he was on the Joe Rogan show.
She's so fucking based. Recruit her to the lions party.
Voted for the NDAA bill.
Yep but she fought sincerely and powerfully against impeachment. One of the few women rep that asked questions about Ukraine corruption.
Is overriding Trump's veto "pro-Trump" in your eyes?
It’s all about information that she got before the vote. You don’t know what she was told.
She knew Trump vetoed it. That should be enough
Well no. I don’t want blind loyalty. She should have called the President directly to learn why section 230 is such a serious threat to national security. I’m sure she was told by the pro pentagon crowd (that she talks to all the time) that everything in NDAA is fine.
I don't want blind loyalty either. But you've got to know what your voting on and shouldn't vote if you don't, that's absurd. She should read up and do her own research, what's the difference between blind trust and blindly taking the pro pentagon crowd's word?
Overriding President Trump's veto is pro-Trump. TIL.
Politicians always know what's best for us, you guys. We The Proles don't.
They are starting to roll in
Considering what's being asked for in the objection, at least as far as ted cruz's objection, any (r)Congress critter who doesn't object is sealing their fate in '22. Who can explain to voters that establishing a commission to look at the allegations is a bad thing? Even normies would scratch their heads and primary those cowardly fuckers.
Love her. She's really sharp!
https://rumble.com/vc2hab-rand-paul-triggers-liberal-meltdown-speaks-about-science-of-masks.html
Second half of this video.
Too many people are assuming he’s going to reject the fraudulently electors. He’s not. Support him or not, I would contact him.
Don't trust Stefanik. She had to see which way the wind was blowing like a typical politician.
What are the other ones doing they are just stand around and watching
Thank you so much
Keep em coming!!!!!
Well I take back the VERY BAD things I said about you Elise. Lol
I admire Elise Stefanik. She's really done an excellent job these last four years. She started with calling out James Comey for not informing the House Intelligence Committee about Crossfire Hurricane and ends the four years by objecting to vote fraud. She's a rock and deserves re-election. She's one we can count on.
What does objecting mean?
This is getting good
Took her long enough for fucksake. She is too smart and based to take this damn long to come around and admit the election is FUCKED.
Yes! I’ve liked her ever since those farcical impeachment hearings
Her, a handful of other congressmen er I mean Congresspeople and 85 MILLION Patriots! The 85 Million Patriots is what these sonsabitches don't get!
Thank you Elise!
I wonder if more plan to contest but are keeping quiet about it
Omg. I think I get it. I think Trump intends to have the civil war fought inside congress and in the senate and then when it shows that the left doesn’t want to keep our elections free or fair. He has got em. They lose. We win he won. They cheated. We not only know it. They know it. And if they don’t concede to a real look into the fraud. They are done. We have every right to over throw them. Like legit. The civil war/new American revolution will start on the 6th. We can see how the law is now broken. The judicial branch Doesn’t care or is corrupt. Anyone attempting to not be fair to ease more than half of the registered voters is the enemy. Out right. To the constitution. Wow. The mad lad is taking us to the precipice and letting us jump like mad lads. Fuck this is great.
Nice.
Good. Was wondering whether she would be on-board.
Funny because a bunch of jumpy faggots were on here shitting on her like a week ago.
This is one of the most popular sites in our country, people see you fuck heads on here dooming.
Good news though, thanks for sharing.
She is a conservative superstar!!