posted ago by zooppooz
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Just give me straight facts Pedes. Being seeing a lot of hype but not a lot of action.
Trump and his team say we got the numbers and can overturn the election (that we rightfully won). I know the big protest is January 6th. But will it all amount to anything?
Can we really save our republic?
Just give me straight facts Pedes. Being seeing a lot of hype but not a lot of action.
Trump and his team say we got the numbers and can overturn the election (that we rightfully won). I know the big protest is January 6th. But will it all amount to anything?
Can we really save our republic?
More then likely the votes have been switched. All the votes for trump were counted for Biden. I read that and it makes sense. They will confirm it very soon and stop the steel. Those are president trumps vote. Still our president for 4 years and maybe even more when he fixes Washington DC from corruption.
We talking second or third term here?
Just checking.
See my comments above.
We should be calling, but not just US congressmen/senators. I believe the best (and perhaps only) opportunity to influence the process will be via STATE representatives and/or officials (governor or SOS). Only these people can really affect the process at this point; they MUST de-certify for us to have a procedural chance.
yes.
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So basically there's no point? It's over?
I’m no lawyer, but my reading of 3 USC S.15 (Electoral Count Act of 1887) leads me to believe that in the case where there are dueling electors and there is a disagreement between the House and Senate as to which one to count after their respective 2-hour debates, then the set of electors certified by the state’s governor would count. Right now, all of the certified electors in the contested states are pledged to Biden.
This is, I also believe, why Goemert was trying the have this law declared unconstitutional, as it would free Pence to ignore this requirement. Dismissed because “Lack of Standing,” of course.
At this point, we MUST get de-certification by the states in question, at least in a few. If no electors are certified in these states, the votes cannot be counted. Remove 37 Biden electors, and you get to a contingency election, where Trump would win in the House. By my reading of things, this is the only procedural way forward.
Short of that, it’s war.
Remember that right now there are no dueling electors. Each state sent only one set of certified electors
Correct. Only one set is certified.
But 3 USC S.15 does say that only certified electors are to be considered. It specifies “certificates and papers purporting to be certificates” are to opened by the VP.
Am I misreading this?
But they are all certified right now. How are you going to uncertify them?
De-certification would have to be done by the respective states. This, I believe is why Cruz et al are pushing for the 10-day inspection period. It stalls the clock, and give time for the evidence of fraud to be aired. The MSM will not be able to hide such high drama. My hope is that the evidence will be so public and overwhelming that the states would no choice but to de-certify.
Cruz is effectively daring the Ds to deny a fair inspection process, for which there is precedent (1876). I think they’ll say no, the MSM will hide this fact, and we’ll continue hurtling toward crisis. I think it’s worth a shot, as it’s the least disruptive option left (EO/Insurrection Act and Civil War) being obviously worse).
Unfortunately, that’s not how the electoral college works.
It is if Pence certifies the Trump electors.
As long as we’re adhering to procedure (3 USC S.15 aka Elector Count Act of 1887), Pence cannot certify anything. This is why Gohmert was suing to effectively make this Act unconstitutional.
Assuming there are dueling electors that have standing, and assuming the House and Senate disagree which should count, this law already provides a “tie-breaker.” In the event of a disagreement between the two houses on Congress, the set of electors certified by the governor of the respective state takes precedent.
We MUST convince these states to de-certify.
In a fair world, yes. But this whole this is rotten and rigged.
I don't think anything in the world will get the House to reject the votes. It's over. It's been over.