How we act on January 6th will be judged by future generations. **During an unprecedented time, it is our behavior which will set the precedent for those that follow. ** This is a burdensome responsibility. I advise that we all consider how easily one can destroy, but how few have what it takes to build. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT.
DO NOT become the tyranny we see in BLM and Antifa. We must steady ourselves with Grace and Poise, and know that the truth is on our side.
Our enemies, the globalists and CCP, WANT us to be divided. Any hate in our hearts for our fellow Americans - many of whom know not that they are brainwashed - is the result of their success in controlling the narratives spread by the media conglomerate. It is a disease that we are in the throes of curing.
Our fellow Americans are not part of the disease - they need only be shown a better way. We all saw their methods during the BLM and Antifa riots - now let us show them how patriots carry themselves and get things done.
On Jan 6th, WE will be writing the narrative. So, again, I say to you all: THINK BEFORE YOU ACT.
Yes, we must defend ourselves if attacked. Yes, we must push through to the Capital. But we must not forget that Trump is our Commander-in-Chief, and he has always exercised great patience. He has endured much, as we have endured much. He did not rush the National Guard in during the riots - he followed our Constitution and waited for orders from the state Governors. He did not take advantage of the COVID scare to grant himself unlimited power. Now, it seems, he is again being patient, exhausting all of his options and saving the most dreaded for last.
If nothing else, Pedes, what I am trying to say in this town square that we have built for ourselves is that I do not believe January 6th to be our last stand. No, I believe it to be our final PEACEFUL stand.
I ask - what if a group of DC Police stop a small group of armed patriots en-route to the Capital? We know this is illegal in DC (even though we all know it to be unconstitutional). What is the plan, then? Are we at the point where we expect those men to open fire? What comes next? How would such a move play into the grand strategy?
I ask - if we were to storm the Capital with guns, and point them at the traitors in our midst, forcing them to cast their dissent in our favor at gunpoint - what does that make us? Is that the precedent we want to set - threaten with violence if things are not going your way?
Our founders endured The Boston Massacre, and still, John Adams stood by his principals and successfully counseled the British soldiers against a packed court to allow justice to prevail.. He must have known he was setting a precedent for future generations, and I offer to all of you that he acted accordingly. So, too, must we.
The people of Athens, Tennessee endured much. At the end of their ordeal, they did not call the election for themselves. They allowed the vote to continue and counted the ballots fairly and honestly. These people, it seems to me, stayed true to their principals.
We must do the same, no matter how high and intense our emotions. We must appeal to the better parts of ourselves and not get carried away on this day.
May I suggest we let Trump fire the first shot to be heard round the world and follow his lead. I believe he is not yet finished executing the moves on his chessboard.
Let us show the world on January 6th that we are principled people. advocating for the peaceful and total application of truth and justice and - if we are not to be granted it, than we shall Appeal to Heaven and seek it with the only option we have left - SWIFT, RIGHTEOUS FORCE.
We must be strategic and think long-term. We must know when to strike, and we must know how to win and what victory must look like. January 6th, in my eyes, is our last warning to the traitors. FOLLOW TRUMP'S LEAD - DO NOT STRIKE EARLY.
We're on the same side. Get that grade school shit out of here.
What part of my advice are they hoping we all take? That we wait to use swift and overwhelming force until Trump gives us the greenlight? I'm not really following you, because I agree with many of your points, so I'm not clear what we disagree on.
In your opinion, how do we fight the sources of greed and corruption and weakness that are causing our government to decline?
When you say "now or never," and "a show of a strength," what specifically do you mean? Everyone throws these phrases around but always without specifics.
My point is merely that this influence that has taken hold in our country is vast. It is everywhere. It is not JUST in the capital building in DC. Storming the capital building, now, without a solid plan or strategy for how to deal with the tech companies, entertainment industry, school system, large corporations, HR departments, etc, who are all beholden to the globalists and the CCP is blowing our load, in my mind.
They were coordinated. So we should be, too. Everyone on Jan 6, to my knowledge, is just showing up with their own ideas about what needs to be done or what is happening. That is NOT a formula for success. That is the main point I am making. Do you disagree?
In my city (a liberal city, so I know very well what you are claiming I know nothing about), our AG is Soros-funded, our Gov is Soros-funded, and our mayor is Soros-funded. It is insane to me how thoroughly planned this takeover was.
So, what do we do? You seem to be be in the camp that believes we start lobbing bullets and threatening congress members on Jan 6, so what are the rules of engagement? Which ones are we going for? Who are the enemy combatants? What is the plan? Who is in charge? What is the plan for Days 1-3, and Week 2? What is the grand strategy, and how do we achieve it?
I'm serious. Perhaps you disagree, but it seems to me that a great many people here are not thinking through what it takes to fight something like this. I believe we can do it, but we need a leader and a plan - all I am saying is that Trump is that man, and he is telling us to show up in DC on the 6th to protest in as large of numbers as we can - not to start getting in shootouts with the DC police. I trust that he has other tricks up his sleeve. Do you?
[EDIT] To give an example of strategy, I doubt many people have had the time to consider a contingency plan in case the cell towers get overloaded or go down. Have you thought about this scenario? Two-way radios don't work well in our city (and urban areas, in general), so everyone in my small group has one of these pre-programmed and ready to go. If the cell towers go down, we're all set. We have maps with meeting points in case we get separated or our phones die, we've discussed scenarios when we would use force to defend ourselves, rehearsed it in our minds, etc, just generally prepped for as much as we could SO WE CAN BE EFFECTIVE.
I just want our cause to BE EFFECTIVE. So we need to plan and do it right. It doesn't seem that Jan 6th is the moment for that - just to show up in numbers and show our politicians how pissed we are and how ready we are to go to the next step if they take this last bit of justice from us.
Your claim:
My actual post:
We're on the same side. If we start to have trouble differentiating friend from foe even amongst ourselves, we're fucked. You're redlining, friend. Pull back just a bit and save it for the real enemy. See you on the 6th.
Well said, and I completely agree. So I want us to stack the odds in our favor as much as possible. I'm not convinced we've done that, yet, because I believe that Trump still has a few options left (three court cases where he is the plaintiff, his EO from 2018, etc).
Occupy Wall Street didn't achieve anything, I argue, because everyone just showed up, and that was it. Same with the Yellow Vests, the way I understand it. Even BLM didn't achieve many of their goals, in my opinion, because everyone just showed up. I listened to those knuckleheads march through my neighborhood and they clearly didn't know what the fuck they were doing, it was pathetic. Everyone was there for a different reason.
I don't want that to be us.
The Ukrainians in Kiev in 2014 had a plan - they showed up to their capital in absolutely absurd numbers and EVERYONE was on the same page and laser-focused on the single goal of getting their president to resign. They endured incredible violence and hardship against them but, in so doing, they proved that they were righteous. Not only did they win once they fought back (and they did FIGHT, eventually), but they did it in a way that was completely admired by the international community.
Our founders did that, too. They endured so much shit. And when they declared independence, all of Europe knew why.
We all want justice for the stolen election, but how do we do that? Firing squad without a trial by dragging senators out by the coats?
As I've said in this thread and my OP, even John Adams knew he had to help defend the British soldiers after the Boston Massacre and be their lawyer to give them a fair trial (and he won for them!). I'm not prepared to fucking execute someone without them having a fair trial with all of their rights, because as Adams said, if we can't do that for every man, we don't have a free country, and I agree with him.
Whatever we do, we have to uphold the Constitution and be righteous. If we fuck that up, I think we also lose everything. Washington was the man for what he did on Christmas, he actually crossed that river three fucking times that day - did you know that? We are setting a precedent for our country. I'm worried some have forgotten that.
I've rambled enough. I want to know what you think. This is what our first amendment is for. We have the freedom to discuss anything and the good ideas get filtered to the top. Do you think we are as organized and focused as we need to be? Am I totally off base?
What do you mean?
And believe me, I'm ready to fight. I just want to be as sure as I possibly can that the people we'd go after deserve it, unequivocally, and that all other options have well and truly failed.
I don't disagree with you.
All I am suggesting is that January 6th is not the "go for broke" day.
Trump, it seems to me, has not exhausted all of his options. How engaging in warfare with the DC police helps our cause (as many have suggested here) is lost on me at this moment.
We're not at war, yet. None of us should want that unless we have absolutely no other choice.
Do you feel that none of Trump's remaining cases will yield any results? That Trump and his team are completely out of options and have no other strategy?
You know, you're right. I wrote "we're not at war, yet," and that wasn't actually what I meant to say. I believe I meant to say that I feel we are not at the "let the bullets fly" stage.
Again, you are right, and I agree. We are at war. We have been, particularly with the CCP, for a long time.
What I am trying to discuss is whether or not "going for broke" on January 6th is the best way to win this war.
Do we know what our goal is? Do we know what we have to do to achieve it?
In my mind, we don't. We're not there, yet. We all just know that we are angry as hell and that we need Trump to get back in office.
To defeat the influence of the globalists and the CCP, I don't see how storming into the Capital building is going to help with in any meaningful way when our adversaries have been waging a war for hearts and minds. Perhaps you disagree ...
To that extent, the question I am pondering is, how do we win back the hearts and minds of all the Biden voters? How do we build up the strength and resilience in our country again to fight back against this influence?
Clearly, we have grown weak. I argue that this weakness is what has allowed the CCP to succeed to the extent that they have.
So, how do we beat them?
I may be naïve, but I believe that Trump has a plan. I want to believe he has another trick or two up his sleeve. If we can restore faith in our institutions, like the justice system, and try all of these traitorous fucks with indisputable evidence, I think we have a chance to wake people up from their CNN-induced comas and have a chance at resisting the influence that has infected our country.
This influence is in our schools, our mayoral offices, our governor offices, our judicial system, our military, our art industries ...we need resources and intel to win this fight. It seems to me that we have to be strategic, patient, and strike with timing in multiple places at once. I don't know if we have ever faced a foe like this, but I do know that we have fought a war for hearts and minds - in Afghanistan and Iraq. It took us too long to learn those lessons. Let us not forget to apply those lessons here, where they may be useful to us. "Shock and Awe," at least prolonged, got us nowhere. We had to go town by town, clearing out the cancer, building relationships and institutions.
Maybe storming the Capital building is the symbolic start that we need, I'm not sure. Convince me, I'm all ears, friend. Truly. My family came here in the 1600s and I'm not going down without a fucking fight. I'm not giving up. I just want to make sure we win.
My main point, I suppose, is that I'm not ready to turn to the fourth box, yet. I'm waiting for the greenlight from Trump. Perhaps that makes me stupid. Again, convince me if you feel I am wrong. I do think we may be nearing the end of our peaceful possibilities, definitely. But I don't think we've exhausted them.
I hope that you've found this discussion helpful, I'd be happy to continue it. Either way, my group and I will be in DC before the end of the day.
Nah
Name another time we will have congress surrounded by millions of patriots
If that is the extent of your resolve, go home now.
if you can't recognize a rare opportunity when it comes along, and can't act appropriately well you should just go ho.. wait, nevermind. You can do what you want, I don't boss people around on the internet like a faggot.
So, if we take Congress by force - we win? All of the bullshit corruption goes away?
This is bigger than January 6th. This is in every state, in all the big cities, in all our schools, in many of our biggest companies, in all of our news organizations.
Defeating a hydra like that, I am trying to argue, requires organization, intel, and strategy. Symbolically holding a building would be great for morale, but do nothing to progress us toward achieving our real goal of kicking the globalists and CCP and their influence out of America.
Trump has the resources at his disposal, he has the intel. I don't see how we can do this without him.
If he told us, "Listen, guys - I tried my best but I'm all out of options. It is up to you, now." I can't say I'd know exactly how to win all of this but I certainly wouldn't do nothing.
We still have to retain our institutions for justice. As I gave in my example, even one of our founding fathers and our second President, John Adams, STILL defended British troops in court because he felt that a country without a right to a fair trial was in no way free at all.
Yes, we have to be prepared to fight. I am. So many of us are. But this is a war for hearts and minds - there is only so much bullets can do in a war like that. We have to achieve our goal in a way that gets more people out of their coma and on our side.
We learned all of these lessons in Afghanistan and Iraq. We can't make the same mistake here at home.
[EDIT] I adore the Constitution. I'm sure you do, too, otherwise you wouldn't be ready to fight. Let's tackle this in a way that honors and upholds it. We have to be strategic.
Unironically, yes
Well, then help me understand. Help me see things the way you do. I am all ears, Pede.
your use of pede there seems insincere. no one here needs to hold your hand for you to read the writing on the wall.
I did not mean to seem insincere. I'm not sure how else I could have said it.
No, I think you're right - I don't want and I don't believe I need anyone to hold my hand here. I believe I do see the writing on the wall.
To me, it reads that Trump still has a few options left and than Jan 6 is about us showing up in massive numbers, peaceful, to let our politicians and institutions know that this is their last chance before we feel we have no other options left but force.
Do you disagree?
These people put my dad on a ventilator when he begged not to be, and killed him for $40,000. Then they took my son out of school, and froze my wages. Then they destroyed almost every local business in my town.
Playtime's fuckin' over, my honorable friend.
My fellow compatriot, I want to win. For what happened to your father, and so many others, and for all the business owners and families caught up in this bullshit, I want to win.
I am suggesting that winning this fight - against the CCP and Globalists - will take massive resources and coordination. Those snakes have successfully exploited our weaknesses and sowed division amongst us.
It seems to me this war is one of hearts and minds. If our people are weak, I fear we will have little chance to be resilient and push back against this influence.
What I am suggesting is that we follow Trump's lead. I feel, and perhaps you do, too, that he has a few more tricks up his sleeve. And, if he did not and had exhausted all of his options, I believe (perhaps naively) that he would flat-out tell us it was time to turn to the ammo box.
John Adams saw children massacred by British troops outside his window during the Boston Massacre. He still, as a lawyer, defended those British troops when no other lawyer would. He said that a country could not claim to be a free country if every man could not have a fair trial.
So many of our heroes have endured pain, and so have you. So have I. So has Trump. If I may be so bold, I am suggesting we strike only if we know we can win. And for that, we need a plan, a strategy, and organization. In my mind, we are all just showing up to DC and seeing what happens. I think we are waiting for Trump, still.
If you disagree, I would love to hear how, and why.
In any case, I will be there tomorrow with a small group. Rest assured that, if it comes time to fight, I will be there until the end. I just don't believe tomorrow is our time to strike - instead, I believe it is our time to show our last, largest, and loudest peaceful protest and to convey that, if all of our institutions fail us, we will do what needs to be done.
The world will be watching us.
You failed to excite me. You didn't even earn my downvote.
I think we can scare them shitless if we show up in numbers, united and angry. I also think that is what Trump is hoping we do, because I think he still has a few tricks up his sleeve.
I don't think getting into a shootout with the DC police is going to help us achieve anything, however. I'm worried because I am seeing that thrown around here a lot. I want to spark a discussion to get us focused.
I'm not convinced you understand what you advocating for. But you probably don't care.
I'm not saying we won't get to the point where we must take back what is ours by force. And once (if) we get to that point, we'll need men like you who are eager to wage war.
I am only suggesting we are not at that point, yet.
Don't do something stupid and get arrested and lose all your guns on January 6th. We may need them later, when the real war starts.
I don't disagree with you, my friend.
I used that example because the people of Athens, after all was said and done, went back and carried out their election, lawfully. They struck swiftly and decisively when they had to in the way that allowed them to win - no more, no less. They endured injustice until they had no choice left but violence.
I am prepared to go there, and fight along side you, if need be. I am merely suggesting that I am not convinced that Jan 6th is the "win at all costs, be as brutal as we need to be" day.
Perhaps I am naïve, but it seems to me that Trump is not finished playing his little game of chess. Do you get the sense that he and his team are completely out of options and have nothing left?
If we were to fight tomorrow and take the Capital and all house and senate members by force, how exactly would we win? What would our victory condition be? Alter the constitution and have Trump inaugurated by end-of-day?
What would our argument be? I couldn't, in good faith, say that the ENTIRE judicial system has failed. There are still a few cases that have yet to go through, and these are the only ones that have had Trump as the plaintiff. If EVERY case with Trump as the plaintiff is thrown out for some bullshit reason, then that would probably be the last straw, for me. But it does not seem we are there.
To get specific, what would you do with the small-town Dem house reps who, let's say, are actually good people and have just only been watching CNN, and don't really know the extent of what has gone on and so, in their mind, decide to stand by their principals in the face of violence from extremists? Do we intimidate them, threaten them? It seems to me that some are suggesting we take a route like that tomorrow if things don't go our way.
For the people who feel so enraged and illegally bring weapons tomorrow, what would you suggest they do if, during their walk to the capital when they are isolated, they are stopped by DC police and told to surrender their weapon and put their hands behand their back for breaking the law? Does the answer you give help the grand strategy and help us win the hearts and minds of the rest of our fellow Americans? Or are we at the point, in your mind, where we just inflict violence on anyone who disagrees with us and gets between us and "the goal?"
Yes, I have. (As a foreign pede).
He's in the "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation right now.
IF he "do", the moment He invokes Martial Law and Insurrection Act, Civil war will break out, and Trump himself, taken from his own world, "want the world stop killing itself". So, 99.99999999% he will not do it. Perhaps he already considered it and he was persuaded by the "legal" team about "bad consequences"
IF he "don't", well, his victory got stolen, his legacy ruined, his supporters will be "cancelled, destroyed", and the republic is DEAD.
I swallowed the black pill. GOD PROVIDED YOU WITH TRUMP, BUT HIMSELF ALONE CAN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
I think you and I share a lot of the same opinions.
Where I grow uneasy is with the idea that the DC police have no right to enforce illegal infringement on the 2A, and if they want to spark a war, so be it.
I feel that, at this moment, unwinnable conflict plays into the hands of the CCP and Globalists. It not only divides us and make us easier to conquer, but also may make it harder to win the hearts and minds of our fellow countrymen.
I consider getting into a shooting match on the 6th with the DC police an unwinnable conflict. What is the victory condition? How do we win that battle?
In my mind, what we REALLY need to do is have the laws changed in DC and struck down as unconstitutional, probably by taking them to the SCOTUS (I hear you, though. If the SCOTUS is also compromised ...this cancer runs fucking deep). I think you get what I am saying, though. As Trump is doing now, we have to try, at least to set the precedent for history that we made every attempt to give our institutions the chance to provide justice. Only when they all fail, in my mind, can we turn to force.
What I am cautioning is that we all treat very carefully the idea of foregoing our institutions for distributing justice and turning to the fourth and final box (the ammo box). Once we open that box, I fear it cannot be easily closed.
I don't want war. I don't want to shoot at my fellow countrymen. But if every option and right is taken from me, I will do what I must. I'm sure you will, too. And I'll gladly fight beside you.
I don't disagree with you.
However, if it does come to war, I don't see how we win it in DC.
I imagine we would win it by kicking out the traitors in our cities and our states. Taking control of the Capital and raising a flag cures us of nothing.
Our fight is with the CCP and the Globalists, and they are everywhere.
Frankly, I don't think our group here has the organization to launch an operation like that. That is why I'm suggesting we follow Trump - he and his team have the intel and know better what needs to be done than possibly anyone else.
Do you disagree?
NO THANK YOU .. IT'S PAYBACK TIME..
How? Whom? What is the plan?
When is the victory condition achieved?
Have you thought this through?
What other time would be our last stand other than January 6th? There will never be more Trump supporters in one location.
Here is a reply I gave to another pede who had a similar thought as you:
Suppose we take Congress by force and occupy it - do we win? Does all of the bullshit corruption go away?
This is bigger than January 6th. This is in every state, in all the big cities, in all our schools, in many of our biggest companies, in all of our news organizations.
Defeating a hydra like that, I am trying to argue, requires organization, intel, and strategy. Symbolically holding a building would be great for morale, but do little to progress us toward achieving our real goal of kicking the globalists and CCP and their influence out of America.
Trump has the resources at his disposal, he has the intel. I don't see how we can do this without him. For that reason, I am cautioning that we don't jump the gun here.
If he told us, "Listen, guys - I tried my best but I'm all out of options. It is up to you, now." I can't say I'd know exactly how to win all of this but I certainly wouldn't do nothing. I am confident he is the type of man that would absolutely tell us if it came down to it.
I think he needs us to show up and show that we are upset, but PEACEFULLY. Many here have been literally suggesting we get in shootouts on the streets with the DC police - that is no way to win, in my mind.
We still have to retain our institutions for justice, for one. As I gave in my example, even one of our founding fathers and our second President, John Adams, STILL defended British troops in court (the troops that shot CHILDREN outside of his home in Boston during the Boston Massacre) because he felt that a country without a right to a fair trial was in no way free at all.
Yes, we have to be prepared to fight. I am. So many of us are. But this is a war for hearts and minds - there is only so much bullets can do in a war like that. And when it comes time to use those weapons or war, they must be wielded strategically and with purpose and with the intent to win. We have to achieve our goal in a way that gets more people out of their CNN-induced coma and on our side.
We learned all of these lessons in Afghanistan and Iraq. We can't make the same mistake here at home.
I adore the Constitution. I'm sure you do, too, otherwise you wouldn't be ready to fight. Let's tackle this in a way that honors and upholds it. We have to be strategic.
Agree
Tyranny is thrown around a lot but is not understood. A dictator is not by default a tyrant. A Tyrant is leader who is oppressive. You can have a Tyrant within a democracy. Biden, if he becomes president, would be an example of a Tyrant because his win would be unjust and his leadership would be oppressive. If Donald Trump seized power as a dictator, he would not be a tyrant because he is the rightful leader which means his actions to become a dictator would be justified. His leadership is not oppressive. In this case, Trump becoming a dictator is the exact opposite of tyranny.
Unity among people who are your enemy is overrated. In fact, it's worse than overrated. Allying ourselves with the left, who are our enemies, makes us weaker not stronger. We would be better off as 250m American and hanging the other 100m communist than we would be "unified" with our enemies at 350m Americans. Yes, the CCP want is divided in the sense that they want us to try and tolerate our enemies within our borders. If we go rid of our enemies and become united that would be a problem. Do not tolerate evil. Do not accept the left. Do not ally yourself with leftists/communists simply to seem "strong" against China. When you tolerate your enemies, you are not united, you are actually making yourself more divided and weaker. Unite to end leftism and communism once and for all within the USA.
Peace never got anyone anywhere. There is nothing virtuous in meeting evil with peace.
We are our respective rulers. WE THE PEOPLE, rule the United States. The 2A was put in the constitution for a reason. We bear our arms for a reason and it is precisely to enact justice on the wrongdoers in society. The left should be afraid of us. It is just and right to use violence at this point. Deus vult!
My friend, I will reflect on what you have written and respond in kind. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.
You can be 100% certain that WaPo/NYT/etc already have pre-written stories on "white supremacists attack __ in Washington, DC"
They WANT violence to break out. They NEED violence to break out.
Those stories will be published regardless of what happens. The mainstream media already has space plotted out for a few minutes of "Several thousand evil racist bigot homophobic xenophobic transphobic Trump supporters descend on Washington DC" on every outlet starting the 6th and going until they can sweep it under the rug and pretend like Trump has no actual support.
Thank you for writing this!
Thanks for taking the time to read it. What are your thoughts?
Everyone seems to hate me for trying to start this discussion. I think they are being short-sighted. This conflict is not one battle, it is a war that must be fought in thousands of areas around the country.
wise words. the whole world will be watching us we need to prove that we are american patriots trying to secure freedom in our country for everyone in our county even if a lot of our countrymen are brainwashed and despise us we will be fighting for them to so that one day they can be freed from their shackles with truth.
Thank you.
Once we won our war for independence, our country was still filled with British loyalists.
They made due, and so can we.
I believe that Freedom is for all men who will respect our laws and way of life.
-"Think before you act" Damn, if only they had been told that.
Honestly...
I know it may seem completely moot at this point to repeat a simple saying like that.
Tell me why you disagree. I've posted a lot in this thread. I hope you can see that winning this is important to me. I'm merely trying to discuss how we win.
In short, it seems we are in the position we are in because the globalists and CCP have successfully taken advantage of our weaknesses and waged a war for our hearts and minds. How do we fight back against that influence with bullets on Jan 6th?
I am suggested that we think longer term and be strategic. In order to win, it seems to me we need the resources, intel, and coordination from Trump. Thus, we need to wait for the greenlight from him and let him exhaust ALL of his options. I do feel (perhaps you do, too) that he will give us the greenlight and let us know when it is time to really go for broke.
In the meantime, please keep in mind we are all here because of the Constitution. Let's not let our anger and thirst for justice rip it up in the process. I think there is a way we can keep its ideas and principals intact AND win.
Curious to hear your thoughts, friend. See you on the 6th.
Wisdom.
My pede is going in a suit tomorrow. He agrees.
Holy fucking preach fest. You will not decide or influence how things go down on the 6th. This is fodder, there is only one objective and fuck for all if we care about achieving it gracefully.
You're not wrong - I was very preachy.
You seem confident. So, you must have it all planned out. What is the objective How will you achieve it? Do you have all the resources you need to do so?
All I am suggesting is that we don't jump the gun - literally. I don't see a way to do this without Trump and his resources, intel, and leadership, and I am of the opinion that there are still a few options he has left.
I see this as a war for hearts and minds, and I don't see how getting into a shooting match the DC police - as has been suggest a lot here, lately - is going to help us achieve our goal. If anything, I only see it setting us back.
I don't doubt that a time for force may be upon us, and soon. But I doubt that Trump would want us to go there without him explicitly telling us as much. Perhaps that makes me naïve, but I would think he'd at least give us a "Alright, America - I tried my best. Shit is too fucked. You're all deputized and it is time to take it back."
Do you disagree?
Nah
Fuck shit up. Surround congress. No one gets out till we get our way
My friend, I urge you to reconsider. I do not think we are there yet.
We'll know when we are. And when we must do what you suggest, I'll be right there with you.
I believe that Trump is not out of moves. If he needs us to arm up and take matters by force, I have no doubt that a guy like him would do something unprecedented like deputize us all and say it outright.
If he is being patient, I feel we should be, too. Show up in force, show that you are angry (I am, too), but don't blow your load before Trump's finale.
At least, that is what I think.
[EDIT] To clarify, I am not suggesting we don't surround the Capital tomorrow. I think that we should. I just don't feel we should "fuck shit up," as you say. What does that achieve? What exactly do you mean by that, and how does that help us win? Break windows? Set fires? Threaten to kill senators who don't vote the way you want?
And if you succeed in this, what does this convey to your opposition in the future, who sees go things the way that you want, but not the way they want? Will they not look to the example that you set?