Good timing, you picked this up before the "dispooted" label was tacked on. The mod in charge of making sure that label is there must be busy drinking soy.
LOL watch this end up playing out as Pence throwing them out, Trump winning, and Lin comes out and admits to intentionally distracting everyone the last few months and that he and Pence go on family vacations annually and have matching ankle tattoos.
I hope Kamala Harris is there tomorrow, and interrupts VP Pence as he is throwing out fraud, and he just gives her a smug look and says “I’m speaking.”
Also, to the people on Twitter (not wasting my time on there) saying that the law says the VP counts the votes, and that’s it, they are absolutely correct. If I’m in charge of counting someone’s push-ups, I am not going to count bad pushups. If I’m in charge of counting scoops of ice cream, I’m not going to count frozen yogurt. It’s simple people, fraudulent votes are not votes! Pence absolutely has this authority.
From my understanding, the issue with Jefferson was with him counting what appeared to be an illegitimate electoral vote submission from Georgia (ironic, I know) which gave him the Presidency, not that he discarded electoral votes.
With Nixon, the governor signed stating Nixon won, but a full count showed Kennedy won. Both sets of electoral votes were delivered to Washington as part of the electoral process. Nixon chose to use the "Kennedy" votes because they were the "accurate" results of the election, not the one the HI governor submitted.
Not trying to muddy the waters, but this current situation is different than the ones you mentioned, although the more recent Nixon situation is probably the better example of the two. These examples do demonstrate that the VP does have the legal authority to selectively choose which electoral votes to count.
How come Sleepy Biden in 2016 let let trump win tho if VP reject powers. (after downvotes recieved, clarifying that I am merely curious as to why other VP dont use superpowers )
Don't know why you've been downvoted. I have questions about this VP power, too. Because why wouldn't Gore have used it after the 2000 election against Bush?
So at the George HW Bush funeral, all the Bush clan and former presidents and their wives were there, and the whole thing was broadcast live. Youtube has pretty much scrubbed parts (or at least made it not show up when searched for) where people such as Hillary open the Programme folder, and out falls a weird envelope. All of the people on center stage got an envelope. People say that Pence got one too. What is written on these letters? Who knows. Are they the same letter or different? Again, unknown.
At one point in the funeral, Laura Bush finds her envelope. She goes huh, what's this, and opens and reads it when they're carrying GHWB's casket out. She nudges Jeb! and Jeb! takes a look at the letter. He immediately looks like a man who just died inside.
Here's the only video I could find on Youtube, starting at the point where Laura shows Jeb! the letter: LINK
That letter was more than likely a threat called in by some crazy that they were going to do something after the funeral. That's why they all received when the funeral was over, and they were walking the casket out. My opinion, but that's what it looks like.
Why would a threat from the deep state matter if millions of armed patriots would go nuts with a betrayal and probably take out pence if that happened. If death happens either way, I think betrayal less likely, and I know for sure armed patriots would protect him with their lives when he does the right thing
Likely just did a SPITTAKE while walking back from Starbucks this morning... currently dashing to the office in San Fran while dodging human poop and used needles.
Our Independent Team of Fact Checkers have determined this statement is MOSTLY FALSE. There is feces on the streets of San Francisco, but it has not been analyzed to see if it is human feces.
I am not sure that the senate has the power to replace him as presiding officer. He isn't elected in that role like the speaker of the house. Its a power granted to him by just being vice President
He would be committing career suicide. I believe in Pence. Though I dont blame poeople who think otherwise, the amount of backstabbers in congress is a huge learning for us all
Pence reminds me of those old fuddy duddy Evangelicals who always "follows" the process, even if the "process" is wrong and outdated. I don't count on Pence doing anything. I hope I am wrong for once in my life.
Only because Pence is an opportunist, he jumped on the Trump train because he saw the enthusiasm and when Trump won he had to stick by him. Now he gets tested, the time where Trump's back is finally up against the wall, will Pence come and save him or leave him to the wolves. A true test of character if you ask me. But he doesn't seem the type, he seems like a GOPe stooge.
If Pence wants to run for POTUS in 2024, what is his best option here? We need to think that way. If he doesn't want to run, all bets are off. The other factor that bothers me is it's been said that Karen (!) Pence doesn't like Trump. Don't underestimate the wife's influence in any trigger situation.
What indication has he given for you to have any confidence? I'm honestly asking because I think it's a long shot at best, even though it's in Pence's self interest. I'd like that have a reason to think differently.
I hope millions of patriots outside will give him the strength he needs. I can't imagine what's going through his head right now, especially after what happened to Josh Hawley. Pray for him.
“Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you."
Pence fired him for lying, which Flynn admits. If your boss asks you if you made a phone call, and you lie about it, game over. Doesn’t matter if it’s Russia or Papa John’s.
Just thinking aloud, it’s weird that I remember it being Pence’s call to fire Flynn. Flynn was NSA director, he reported to Trump, not Pence. Just a weird bit of memory, but I’ve seen it framed that way for four years.
The way I saw someone else phrase it that sums up how I feel was: "He seems like a great man, his optics are good. That scares the shit out of my gut."
I'm pretty sure this is Trump's way of putting public pressure on Pence. I hope Pence does the right thing, but I also recognize that Pence is a career politician. With the exception of maybe DeSantis, people don't become a governor without having been compromised first.
Pence may be a career politician, but his career might be over tomorrow. If he doesn’t support Trump now, the MAGA crowd will never support his run in 2024. If he does support Trump, the left will do everything they can to cancel him over the next four years. Either way, his time is now and only he can decide if he will go down as a Patriot.
There is no running of anyone but the establishment in 2022, 2024, and beyond. Dominion and electronic scanners own the votes. Free and fair is gone. Only the illusion of free and fair.
We've probably never had a legitimate election since the end of the Civil War maybe even further back. Voter fraud is not new. 2016 was an anomaly and the establishment is working overtime to make sure it never happens again.
Don’t believe the haters Lin Wood is as maga as they come. I bet you can’t listen to this interview and not be on board. He touches on all topics Pence, bill gates, Epstein, the 6th, and kemp and ga of course. This interview is was we love around here I don’t get why ppl hate him he’s a legend.
That's why the DoJ went out of its way to classify "militias" as the biggest domestic threat in the nation. They merely changed the term 'militia' to 'white supremacist groups'. Doesn't matter if your "white" or not - if you're a threat to the bureaucracy and government largess and power then you're a "white supremacist".
Militias are legal, constitutional, and necessary. Bureaucracy is antithetical to the United States constitution - it is not in the constitution - and antithetical to individual freedom.
This is it. They're a mafia. We are individuals. They have badges, the government, the media, tech, and everything else. We have the Constitution and whatever willpower we have.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Agreed, but there would need to be limits. No foreign land ownership and a cap on how much land one person can own. Otherwise China, Jeff Bezos, and Saudi princes would have all the votes.
Everyone by default is a civilian. They can benefit from our society’s largesse, but they don’t get to vote unless they serve it in some way. Even though that movie was about the military side, their society allowed for other types of service, and “service guarantees citizenship.”
When you have a stake in something you want it preserved, and it’s the people who feel like they have no stake in our society who are causing all the problems.
Not really. They have proven they will turn over names when asked. Tor is really the only thing that is somewhat safe. However, if you use it then you will draw the attention of Intel agencies and corrupt law enforcement agencies like the FBI.
I 100% agree with you at the top its whites, jews, and the chinese, but think to yourself if the deep state contacted you like they did to ruby what would you have done. I would've said go fuck yourself, or play an undercover role. I am no rigger either
He's apparently Irish, and his grandparents were from the Gaeltacht, too, so a real Celtic boy. When you say things like "white" you miss out on the immense history of the European tribes.
Saying white is racist basically. You group together hundreds of ethnicities into one catchall. If we were more like the lefties, we’d make issue of this. We should.
Neither speak of culture, which is all that matters. If you want to be that broad then you may as well pull back one layer to homo sapiens and believe every human you meet is your brother.
Sometimes the topic is race, sometimes the topic is culture. There is no such thing as 'white' culture, but then again there is no such thing as 'black' culture either. Because there are many different cultures within each racial group.
If you don't care about matters of race, you don't need to talk about it. But when you're talking about racial stuff, there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying 'white' or 'black'. There's lots of people who do want to talk about the area in between 'everyone' and 'muh specific culture'.
And since you never know which bloodline to use to categorize yourself- race classifications are essentially useless. They shouldn’t be used at all- what purpose do they serve other than to suppress one group over another?
The part of this amazing verse that should really grab the reader is that we were “commanded” to be brave of heart, it’s not some weak or random choice we get to make as followers, but an unquestionable direct duty and responsibility. Keep the Bible quotes coming, the word is what gets us through these unprecedented times of corruption!
If he does, does congress still needs to vote on it? Or can pence just add up what electors he wants? Can't this be abused in the future? How does this work?
It's such a subtle wording. If he'd said "The VP has the duty..." I think it would absolutely be a call out. Since he said "The VP has the power...", I read it as justifying the actions to his critics.
This is the type of thing that would get caught up in the courts for years and years. Not saying that is bad, just saying there is no clear answer because it hasn't been done before.
Nothing, but that’d be a good thing. The founders never intended on the POTUS being elected by the general public. They wanted him elected by a sample of Americans plucked from across the fields and countrysides of the nation. That pretty quickly failed as State Legislatures balked and decided to hold “elections” and gave control of nominations to the parties... and that’s how we got stuck with a two-party system.
Well, the founders left a fallback Plan B which is one of those fallbacks that’s probably better than the Plan A.... The States vote. The VP can throw out envelopes, but he can’t add votes to push someone over 270. All he can do is push it to congress.
Well... a State-by-State vote is good. Its better than we’re doing now. Also better than trusting a “random” group of Americans who’d easily be corrupted and targeted and god knows what else.
Well, they’d have to win the presidency and it should be a long time before Democrats can run the table on a majority of the several states. Democrats could very well never win the Presidency ever again.
If Pence picks the Republican electors as legitimate, then all Democrats can do is vote to reject them. But it also means they can't accept alternate electors. They can only vote to reject or accept. If they vote to reject, then there's a stalemate that has to be sorted out.
alternate slates in this case have been put forward by tiny minorities of each state's respective legislatures. A dozen here and there from states with hundreds of seats in their House and Senate.
They have next to no legitimacy.
If Pence wants to stand up and change history here, he needs to just reject the disputed states wholesale and trigger a contingency vote.
The constitution grants the authority to the legislatures. A tiny minority of the legislature is more legit than a slate certified by a governor or sos
But there haven’t been any special sessions, so technically, the alternate slates haven’t been certified. Although, Rudy says that the legislatures don’t need to be in session at all for them to certify.
The way I understand it is that there are 2 legal interpretations. They (POTUS/Pence) have seem to concluded on the interpretation that he certainly does have the power. Maybe someone else can chime in if I am wrong.
It's all derived from "the votes shall then be counted", a passive voice phrase that doesn't really tell you much about what the process is supposed to look like. There's also zero precedent for a VP to exercise any discretion over the vote count over the objections of Congress.
I think the play is to just do it anyway and see if the resulting chaos works out somehow.
Not true.
Thomas Jefferson did it and became president because of that (He was VP at the time and counting his own votes).
Nixon did not count his own certified elector votes from Hawaii in 1960 and instead chose JFK's non-certified votes. Certification didn't matter at all. If it had, then Nixon would have been required to count the votes for himself.
Jefferson didn’t cast aside any electors in 1800. It was a tie, with no one having a majority of electoral votes so it went to the House. The House held 35 ballots and were tied between Jefferson and Burr. Hamilton intervened and convinced Federalists to back Jefferson and lots of people changed to Jefferson or Abstained and Jefferson won. Jefferson didn’t do any ballot picking or choosing in the election of 1800. It WAS controversial though.
There IS precedent, as the other commenter said. As the head of the Senate, it's squarely in his duties to resolve disputes at that level, if he's willing to take the heat.
He might be the person to resolve a disagreement between the House and the Senate if they're split. Power to unilaterally elect himself and POTUS is a massive stretch.
I still say they really have nothing to lose by trying anyway. If SCOTUS has no jurisdiction to adjudicate this, who's going to say what is or isn't legal?
(copypaste from my last reply since you raised the exact same concern.) And that's the point that will be argued endlessly if Pence acts, and his rationale for not acting if he declines to do so. He's within his rights to resolve the dispute in this manner in the strict sense of it. That will never satisfy our opponents because, in this case, that dispute happens to determine the outcome of the election. Nonetheless, the rule is the rule, and there is no rigid rule I'm aware of that requires him to recuse himself, however much the left may try to say he must.
And that's the point that will be argued endlessly if he acts. He's within his rights to resolve the dispute in this manner in the strict sense of it. That will never satisfy our opponents because, in this case, that dispute happens to determine the outcome of the election. Nonetheless, the rule is the rule, and there is no rigid rule I'm aware of that requires him to recuse himself, however much the left may try to say he must.
McConnell et al honestly believe that if they just get rid of Trump they will easily win again.
Mitch McConnell is 78 years old.
He likely doesn't give a fuck what happens to GOP from now on.
That's the big risk with having very old people in positions of power - they personally have no future and their motivations can fluctuate very wildly influenced by a ton of factors ranging from misinfo to late life crisis to dementia onset.
I find that most if not all older people care about their legacy. A lot of these old fucks are stuck in their ways and live in a buble you and I would find fuckin abhorrent to how we live now.
This is why its so important for trump to get another four years.
Not only does he need to preserve the security of elections but he also needs to put in safeguards to prevent the Democrats from a doing the same thing down the road for their own made up reasons.
When your party showed massive evidence of voter fraud daily for 2 months and the other party just ignored it then I do not care how Trump becomes president.
This was a coup and the response must be unprecedented.
And btw no election was overturned, Pence would just make sure the person who was actually elected by the people gets into office.
Multiple poll watchers kicked out at night because they wanted to resume the counting in the morning... they didn't stop counting.
Multiple counties with 100%+ turnout, some in Michigan had about 350% (which is literally impossible, in countries with mandatory voting such as Australia and Brazil turnout reaches about 95%).
Mail in rejected rates which have been around 20% for years but this year was 0.1%, this year almost no ballot was rejected lol.
And the fact that Trump got more votes in every state (including fucking NYC) except for the 6 stolen states.
No court of law heard the evidence, they were all rejected on technicality bs.
And the obvious shit that Trump increased his margin in Florida but lost Georgia?
I was thinking, why didn't the corrupt dems try this when Trump was first elected in 2016? then realized if they brought attention to fraudulent votes they would have been exposed for trying to steal THAT election LOL
VP Pence will be a hero and will go down in history if he acts accordingly with Trump's statement here. If Pence is loyal to Trump he will reject those electoral votes. Based off of Pence's recent statements it does appear he is.
Imagine the autistic screeching, it would be glorious!
I don't even know how this is debatable for him. Become a legend in time or get mobbed by your former supporters. In my mind if he wanted to torpedo Trump's election, he would have simply just resigned and come out strongly against him. This all seems like a huge psy op to entice bribery charges against idiots.
PredictIt closed their markets in December lolol. I think I am just playing for pride at this point. had $7k on him to win $35-40k so if they don't pay up I will be very angry.
Yeah I don’t believe those were available to me at the moment. I was putting money in as early as July.
I don’t believe it’s going to pay even if trump is pres on Jan 21. AFAIK the terms and conditions prevent you from basically contesting any outcome of their decision. Sucks but whatever. I don’t get why they wouldn’t wait the 5 more weeks because if they come out behind on this one they’ll be done forever.
Thomas Jefferson did it -- that's how he became POTUS.
Nixon did it when he was Ike's VP re: his election against JFK (although unlike with Jefferson, it didn't make a difference for the JFK win as it was just Hawaii).
"Unprecedented" doesn't mean what you think it means.
what thomas jefferson did was nothing like this. Their paperwork was fucky, but there was zero dispute over who Georgia's votes were inteded to be counted for.
I don't think he can betray us because he simply has no operation in law or otherwise that allows him to "reject" anything. He can hand an envelop to Congress.
The Founders never placed the power to overturn an election in the hands of the guy who directly stands to benefit from overturning the election.
Not sure what fucking Planet T_D has gone off to, but it needs to come on back to Earth now. We got a country to save.
Founders never placed the power to overturn an election in the hands of the guy who directly stands to benefit from overturning the election.
You don’t understand the context. He can’t “overturn an election” and nobody is saying that. It’s not supposed to be a clean process every time. This stuff was written hundreds of years ago.
The idea is that the VP certifying results is the final signal of accepting a transition - a member of previous administration counting votes and accepting results. Basically it is the moment for the population to watch and see if both sides agree that everything has been above board. Everyone has to work together to make it happen - all the state level reps, the outgoing admin via VP, and the incoming admin via president elect.
It’s the moment where, if something is fucky, the majority population has the opportunity to take their 1A and 2A and act before the inauguration date. By this point in time, we the people are supposed to be satisfied with the results and procedures en masse. If we aren’t, we are expected to do - exactly what Trump has asked. Show up. Be heard. Be seen. And if required, be ready to do something.
This is all playing out exactly as it is supposed to, historically, other than the deep swamp judges and AGs. But the system as written can take care of that shortfall too, assuming people will take their 1 and 2 As seriously.
I dont give a shit about your old account, and you're not breaking anything gently.
You are being a doomer faggot piece of shit trying to demoralize people here from voting, participating or doing anything period.
You're a piece of shit that needs to get the fuck out. We win we win we lose we lose but faggot doomers like you are not welcome. If you feel this way then get the fuck off TD and go live the rest of your cucked life as a loser doing whatever it is you do in life and get the fuck away from those who still have a fighting spirit.
BS He did covid. He did supreme court justices. He did debates. He campaigned for Trump. He is a busy man who Trump trusts and Trump said so. Let's believe what Trump says
This is correct. The power is enshrined in the Constitution. All he needs now is to put on the full Armor of God, for he will be tested. Pray for his courage and resilience.
Yep, the founders assumed that elector’s votes would be secret and thus the ability to reject illegal electors wouldn’t offer the VP any opportunity to effect the election, because the certificates would all be sealed, and he wouldn’t know who the votes were for.
States have thrown out how this is supposed to work by passing laws that attempt to shift the power to the people, and try to control the nomination and voting if the electors. This maneuver both creates an opportunity for fraud which doesn’t exist in the original design, but also a method for curing fraud.
If his plan doesn’t involve mass arrests and law and order, rooting out corruption and treason then this win is hollow and temporary. The other side is at war and will not surrender.
Congress is corrupt and will impeach him immediately in a vote 92-8 just like the veto proof bills they just passed.
He only has to arrest the Speaker of the House. If she’s removed, they can impeach Trump and Pence and the line of succession will fall to IIRC Pompeo?
It’s cleaner to reject both sets and send it to a state by state vote on the theory that he’s not in a position to pick who’s right and wrong and just can’t tell who’s legit.... He could blame SCOTUS and say that without their decision he has not choice but to reject both.
Nah fuck this cucked bs and fuck you. After all the shit that has happened over the course of 2020, you still want to play “fair” with these leftist fuckers? Shame on you.
Throw their votes out and accept Trump votes only. Let them figure out for once how to deal with this instead of cuckservative feeding them their slice of pie by bending over backwards.
Pence picks alternate slates of electors for states that have sent them in.
did you guys actually count the signatures for those alternate slates of electors? You should - only a small minority of legislature from each state, signed on to back those.
Pence needs to reject disputed states wholesale and trigger a contingency vote.
Personally, I don’t want him to select an alternative slate and just reject those states outright. Reason is that then in future elections every state Dem committee will vote send their electors and I don’t want them to have the option to count them.
so, then it actually does mean we don't even need objectors? Pence can legally just say "Fuck off Biden electors from PA, AZ, GA, MI, WI and NV"? ...in Minecraft and without the F-words...
I'm probably wrong on this, and hopefully a more knowledgeable pede will correct me, but I thought it went like this;
Jan 6 - In the absence of a majority (270) the House votes to select the president, the Senate votes to select the Vice President.
If there are issues with conflicting electoral votes, the two houses may vote which to accept or reject. If they can't agree, the electors certified by the Governor of the disputed state would be counted.
Again, probably wrong, but hopefully someone chimes in.
Edit - Okay, I feel it's not fair to have others do the hard lifting while I sit here. It turns out it's a state-by-state vote in the House. So not number of sitting congresswomen (this is a thing now, right Emanuel Cleaver?). It's one vote per state. So while Congress is Democrat majority by total seats, the Republicans have this by State vote (California with 55 electoral votes now gets just as much of a say as Montana with 3).
Could he unilaterally reject one set but not the other? Legally and for optics maybe he rejects those states entirely for failing to run an election and then it goes to delegates. Hmm
I think there are a couple options. He can tell them to fuck off (or rather tear up those ballots), which I think would reduce the number of votes needed to win, handing it directly to Trump. He can also say “hmm, we have two sets of electors here from these states, I don’t know which to choose,” in which case the winning number would still be 270. In that case the president would be elected by the House, and the VP by the Senate.
He's within his rights to resolve the dispute in this manner in the strict sense of it. That will never satisfy our opponents because, in this case, that dispute happens to determine the outcome of the election. Nonetheless, the rule is the rule, and there is no rigid rule I'm aware of that requires him to recuse himself, however much the left may try to say he must.
I can hear the Liberal screams from here. I can't believe he actually said it! We've been repeating this for weeks on The Donald and I was wondering if this was baseless conjecture.
But now we know. This was the plan all along. With the power of the Vice President, the Senators objecting the results and us, the militia, TRUMP WILL WIN! WE WILL SAVE OUR REPUBLIC!
Hmmm...GEOTUS invites everyone to DC well in advance. Then he tweets this. So now when shit hits the fan and there are a ton of patriots there, it'll be tough for the BLM/Antifidiots to rally without some resistance.
Regardless of Pence, the President swore an oath to defend the Constitution and the people. All this comes down to whether that is done through the system or outside the bounds of it.
THE DOMINIONCRATS ARE PRESSING FORWARD WITH THEIR PLAN, BLATANTLY ILLEGAL AND FRADULANT. THEY ARE RELYING ON THE MEDIA AND THE COURTS TO BLOCK FOR THEM. ITS TIME TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE!!
THE DOMINIONCRATS CAN ONLY BE STOPPED BY THE MEANS THEY ARE EMPLOYING. WHO CARES IF THE MEDIA CALLS YOU NAMES? FUCK IT! THEY ARE STEALING THE REPUBLIC! ITS TIME TO GO FULL NUCLEAR AND START BREAKING FUCKING JAWS!
This right here. Pence should ACT FIRST ASK PERMISSION LATER. That's how the left has been doing for years. Push, push, push and get away with AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHENEVER POSSIBLE!!!
Nobody can be so close to Trump and not become 100% devoted to him. Even if he was an establishment republican when he became VP, once he truly saw Trump in action he would be turned.
I think Lin Wood and Pence are both on the up-and-up. I think the letters were a proposed peace deal with the Deep State. Either they refused, or backed out, or Trump never had any intent to honor the deal and wanted to use it as a trap. Either way, Pence knew what was in it, and Lin is saying it's time for everything to come out. Doesn't mean he thinks Pence is an enemy, unless there's something more I haven't seen.
Good timing, you picked this up before the "dispooted" label was tacked on. The mod in charge of making sure that label is there must be busy drinking soy.
This thread has some disagreewoment.
HELL YES HE DOES!!!
God I love how he triggers them every day.
this tweet has 60k likes in just 16 minutes!
This is probably trump setting the stage for lin Wood to be right about pence. This is probably not the main plan.
He usually doesn’t show his hand this early but I think your wrong in that the intention is to throw pence under the bus.
LOL watch this end up playing out as Pence throwing them out, Trump winning, and Lin comes out and admits to intentionally distracting everyone the last few months and that he and Pence go on family vacations annually and have matching ankle tattoos.
What do you think is the main plan?
Interesting theory
Good womention.
Timely comwoment.
We have all the mowomentum right now.
The plan is womanifesting.
We have the best mowomentum, don't we, folks?
Seems Potus has a full understanding of the Goverwoment
Amen, and AMEN!
A-trans, a-woman, a-bisexual, a-gay, a-lesbian, a-pan, a-fag, a-chooo!!!
I honestly cant believe that's a thing.
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Sounds like you're typing in an Italian accent.
ABITCH BRUVVA.
THATS FRONT-HOLE—-YOU FRONT-HOLE BIGOT!
holy fucking shit! These people are crazy!
All walk in a bar.
A choo im allergic to such BS 🙃
All walk in a room,
TFW you’re trying to hold in a DiSpOoOoOoT, but then you sneeze and they happen at the same time.
lol at anyone thinking the founders who came up with a new form of government put in a bunch of meaningless ceremonial shit
Gobbledygook...its a real thing
Where's that meme of the guy sweating while deciding which button to press?
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DeBoOoOoOnK!
I hope Kamala Harris is there tomorrow, and interrupts VP Pence as he is throwing out fraud, and he just gives her a smug look and says “I’m speaking.”
Also, to the people on Twitter (not wasting my time on there) saying that the law says the VP counts the votes, and that’s it, they are absolutely correct. If I’m in charge of counting someone’s push-ups, I am not going to count bad pushups. If I’m in charge of counting scoops of ice cream, I’m not going to count frozen yogurt. It’s simple people, fraudulent votes are not votes! Pence absolutely has this authority.
From my understanding, the issue with Jefferson was with him counting what appeared to be an illegitimate electoral vote submission from Georgia (ironic, I know) which gave him the Presidency, not that he discarded electoral votes.
With Nixon, the governor signed stating Nixon won, but a full count showed Kennedy won. Both sets of electoral votes were delivered to Washington as part of the electoral process. Nixon chose to use the "Kennedy" votes because they were the "accurate" results of the election, not the one the HI governor submitted.
Not trying to muddy the waters, but this current situation is different than the ones you mentioned, although the more recent Nixon situation is probably the better example of the two. These examples do demonstrate that the VP does have the legal authority to selectively choose which electoral votes to count.
How come Sleepy Biden in 2016 let let trump win tho if VP reject powers. (after downvotes recieved, clarifying that I am merely curious as to why other VP dont use superpowers )
Perhaps there were no other votes submitted, no conflicting option and no basis to disqualify in the absence of actual fraud.
Don't know why you've been downvoted. I have questions about this VP power, too. Because why wouldn't Gore have used it after the 2000 election against Bush?
I know he's got the authority. I just can't shake the image of him and Mrs. Pence getting the letter at the GHWB funeral.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Our tyrants are the worst so prepare accordingly
I keep hearing about that letter and have no idea what you guys are talking about.
So at the George HW Bush funeral, all the Bush clan and former presidents and their wives were there, and the whole thing was broadcast live. Youtube has pretty much scrubbed parts (or at least made it not show up when searched for) where people such as Hillary open the Programme folder, and out falls a weird envelope. All of the people on center stage got an envelope. People say that Pence got one too. What is written on these letters? Who knows. Are they the same letter or different? Again, unknown.
At one point in the funeral, Laura Bush finds her envelope. She goes huh, what's this, and opens and reads it when they're carrying GHWB's casket out. She nudges Jeb! and Jeb! takes a look at the letter. He immediately looks like a man who just died inside.
Here's the only video I could find on Youtube, starting at the point where Laura shows Jeb! the letter: LINK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHYbphiulKc
That letter was more than likely a threat called in by some crazy that they were going to do something after the funeral. That's why they all received when the funeral was over, and they were walking the casket out. My opinion, but that's what it looks like.
Why would a threat from the deep state matter if millions of armed patriots would go nuts with a betrayal and probably take out pence if that happened. If death happens either way, I think betrayal less likely, and I know for sure armed patriots would protect him with their lives when he does the right thing
I would like to know about the letter also. Can you explain what you are talking about?
I gotchu fam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHYbphiulKc
VP Pence:
You have no power here!
She'll re-enact Kayne taking the award from Swift
"Senator, I have the floor."
This.
...
Is the mod gonna cry? Piss his pants maybe? Maybe dispoot and cum?
Likely just did a SPITTAKE while walking back from Starbucks this morning... currently dashing to the office in San Fran while dodging human poop and used needles.
"This claim of poop on San Francisco is dispooted"
Meanwhile, the picture above the statement showing the guy walking back from Starbucks is dodging human poop.
Haha... I've SEEN the poop. Can confirm.
Our Independent Team of Fact Checkers have determined this statement is MOSTLY FALSE. There is feces on the streets of San Francisco, but it has not been analyzed to see if it is human feces.
It's MOSTLY FALSE because communists aren't human
Not according to the soyboy in charge of adding the "dispooted" label... His opinion "trumps" people's first hand experiences.
“Dispooped”
Bet my bottom dollar they will dispoot. Last ditch effort for the narrative when Pence drops the gavel.
twatter can’t even dispoot! Should be a MOAB to the hive mind...
The dispoot council is in a heated discussion to find the grounds by which they move to a timely dispoot.
It seems that anytime President Trump mentions "fraudulent" or something similar... "Dispooted..."
Yeah they probably have a word filter
Try telling that to the people who can't count the genders.
I am not sure that the senate has the power to replace him as presiding officer. He isn't elected in that role like the speaker of the house. Its a power granted to him by just being vice President
They never put disputed on anything pro Biden even though, clearly with several court cases open, it is also disputed
His job is to count the votes. Fake votes don't count.
"in a few years"
-In less than 24 hours.
I was gonna say... If Pence doesn't do his job, it's on.
He would be committing career suicide. I believe in Pence. Though I dont blame poeople who think otherwise, the amount of backstabbers in congress is a huge learning for us all
Definitely before the Biden inauguration... which Pedo Joe already cancelled.
The next 24 hours feel like years as I am looking at the clock, pede.
For those who rely on mainstream media, it literally is.
I see what you did there
If not, war is immediate.
But Edwin Starr taught us that it's good for absolutely nothing!
>Say it again!
And Edwin Starr is dead.
They will find out quickly...as in tomorrow how violent we can be. We’ve been patient. If tomorrow doesn’t work out we start stacking bodies.
"Exhaust all peaceful means" I agree and that is what we have been doing. Just saying it's matter of days now not years.
Trump won. Any other purported outcome is treason. I'm with you about exhausting legal options but those end tomorrow.
We've been exceedingly patient with the system. The system has one last chance to demonstrate it hasn't completely failed.
“Not a single American accepts a Biden presidency”
FTFY.
Exactly, they’re Chinese assets.
I flick off every Biden voter when I see their yard signs. Fuckin commie bastards.
Pence reminds me of those old fuddy duddy Evangelicals who always "follows" the process, even if the "process" is wrong and outdated. I don't count on Pence doing anything. I hope I am wrong for once in my life.
I really hope so, but this is a GOPe stooge we're talking about here.
Only because Pence is an opportunist, he jumped on the Trump train because he saw the enthusiasm and when Trump won he had to stick by him. Now he gets tested, the time where Trump's back is finally up against the wall, will Pence come and save him or leave him to the wolves. A true test of character if you ask me. But he doesn't seem the type, he seems like a GOPe stooge.
These last four years have changed pretty much everyone. There’s good reason to hope VP Pence rejects the fraudulent votes.
Guess we will see if he's a Judas.
Is he Judas?
If Pence wants to run for POTUS in 2024, what is his best option here? We need to think that way. If he doesn't want to run, all bets are off. The other factor that bothers me is it's been said that Karen (!) Pence doesn't like Trump. Don't underestimate the wife's influence in any trigger situation.
If he doesn’t he can wave goodbye forever to all of his Christian-friendly policies he’s fought for.
What indication has he given for you to have any confidence? I'm honestly asking because I think it's a long shot at best, even though it's in Pence's self interest. I'd like that have a reason to think differently.
He has also said that he does not have the power to reject electors.
The. Why hasn't he said so? What happens if he is kicked out?
I hope millions of patriots outside will give him the strength he needs. I can't imagine what's going through his head right now, especially after what happened to Josh Hawley. Pray for him.
“Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you."
The consequences for traitors need to be in Minecraft.
What happened to Hawley should ANGER them.
What happened to Hawley ?
Antifags showed up at his house and harassed his family.
harrassed at his home by antifa
mr. pence looks like a super nice person i don't think he will turn out to be bad
Wholesome.
Pence fired him for lying, which Flynn admits. If your boss asks you if you made a phone call, and you lie about it, game over. Doesn’t matter if it’s Russia or Papa John’s.
Just thinking aloud, it’s weird that I remember it being Pence’s call to fire Flynn. Flynn was NSA director, he reported to Trump, not Pence. Just a weird bit of memory, but I’ve seen it framed that way for four years.
The way I saw someone else phrase it that sums up how I feel was: "He seems like a great man, his optics are good. That scares the shit out of my gut."
True true true. Can’t count the ones written on a cocktail napkin. Can’t count the ones that were added by cheating.
I'm pretty sure this is Trump's way of putting public pressure on Pence. I hope Pence does the right thing, but I also recognize that Pence is a career politician. With the exception of maybe DeSantis, people don't become a governor without having been compromised first.
Pence may be a career politician, but his career might be over tomorrow. If he doesn’t support Trump now, the MAGA crowd will never support his run in 2024. If he does support Trump, the left will do everything they can to cancel him over the next four years. Either way, his time is now and only he can decide if he will go down as a Patriot.
Dominion would though
There is no running of anyone but the establishment in 2022, 2024, and beyond. Dominion and electronic scanners own the votes. Free and fair is gone. Only the illusion of free and fair.
We've probably never had a legitimate election since the end of the Civil War maybe even further back. Voter fraud is not new. 2016 was an anomaly and the establishment is working overtime to make sure it never happens again.
Worries me he feels the need to do this, if that’s the reason.
He is priming the normies for a lesson in civics. Many of them have no idea what the 12th amendment is.
I believe the reason Trump Tweeted that was to worry the hell out of Dems. Brace up man
I really don't think he'd be saying this if he hasn't already spoken to Pence directly and received confirmation of his intentions
Lin Wood deserves credit too for putting the pressure on Pence. If he fails us he will be viewed as commie traitor.
He can eat shit.
Don’t believe the haters Lin Wood is as maga as they come. I bet you can’t listen to this interview and not be on board. He touches on all topics Pence, bill gates, Epstein, the 6th, and kemp and ga of course. This interview is was we love around here I don’t get why ppl hate him he’s a legend.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IHlKqvqRVV0
Because he’s LARPing to fill his donation coffers.
YES! It should be framed this way for sure.
If it wasn't his job, who's job could it possibly be?
Not SCOTUS, they dodged that shit.
And there'd better be a plan B and C
That's us
The militia.
That's why the DoJ went out of its way to classify "militias" as the biggest domestic threat in the nation. They merely changed the term 'militia' to 'white supremacist groups'. Doesn't matter if your "white" or not - if you're a threat to the bureaucracy and government largess and power then you're a "white supremacist".
Militias are legal, constitutional, and necessary. Bureaucracy is antithetical to the United States constitution - it is not in the constitution - and antithetical to individual freedom.
This is it. They're a mafia. We are individuals. They have badges, the government, the media, tech, and everything else. We have the Constitution and whatever willpower we have.
It all comes down to this.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Agreed, but there would need to be limits. No foreign land ownership and a cap on how much land one person can own. Otherwise China, Jeff Bezos, and Saudi princes would have all the votes.
Paying taxes is a better requirement. I can't afford to own land, my vote shouldn't be denied. I contribute to society and have a job.
It should be like in Starship Troopers.
Everyone by default is a civilian. They can benefit from our society’s largesse, but they don’t get to vote unless they serve it in some way. Even though that movie was about the military side, their society allowed for other types of service, and “service guarantees citizenship.”
When you have a stake in something you want it preserved, and it’s the people who feel like they have no stake in our society who are causing all the problems.
Looks like it's time to bring in black militias.
No patriot is arrested, commit to this.
The familia.
Standing by but not standing back.
, being necessary for the protection of a free state,
We are plan B and C. Well, you pedes to be specific. If I could leave Germany to join your protest I would do it!
Honestly, you’re brave just for posting that comment online, with the dystopian hell that German speech law has become
Well it is bad by your american standards, but it isn't anywhere as close to the dystopian shit happening in UK and Australia.
I can’t believe what I read about UK. I came from Ireland and Scottish blood...
☝☝☝This. Defend the West and our culture and values. We are under attack from enemies both foreign and domestic.
I'm already doing that, active in the AfD Party.
AfD is based as fuck.
Gib nie auf. Du bist nie allein, weil du hier Freunden hast.
Genau so sehe ich das!
It's bad when the German's are shitting on us Brits for having the bad government, but I can hardly argue
VPN's are a great tool for freedom.
Not really. They have proven they will turn over names when asked. Tor is really the only thing that is somewhat safe. However, if you use it then you will draw the attention of Intel agencies and corrupt law enforcement agencies like the FBI.
Why do you think it is that people from all over the world are behind Trump?
According to Sun Tzu, the master of the art of War never runs out of plans.
Trump's plan A has a plan A and a plan B and C, that's not even counting Trump's plan B, that has a plan A, B and C in it.
Why do you think he called us to DC? The Dems and RINOs are not deterred by our planned protest tomorrow.
I think it’s to put pressure on Pence. We must pray for him to have extraordinary strength and courage.
She was. Didn't work and left her cripplingly retarded. What if plan B is the cause of autism?
Plan B doesn't work when you're obese. Look it up and don't believe your frenz when they say "fat girls need love too"
DONT BETRAY US PENCE.
History sure does repeat itself
Pence is not a rigger.
I 100% agree with you at the top its whites, jews, and the chinese, but think to yourself if the deep state contacted you like they did to ruby what would you have done. I would've said go fuck yourself, or play an undercover role. I am no rigger either
He's apparently Irish, and his grandparents were from the Gaeltacht, too, so a real Celtic boy. When you say things like "white" you miss out on the immense history of the European tribes.
Saying white is racist basically. You group together hundreds of ethnicities into one catchall. If we were more like the lefties, we’d make issue of this. We should.
Saying white ppl are this or that... is racist!
White in common parlance means European Aryan, which is one of about a dozen racial groups.
So... using 'white' to refer to 'Caucasians' is racist now?
Is using 'black' to refer to Negroids racist?
Neither speak of culture, which is all that matters. If you want to be that broad then you may as well pull back one layer to homo sapiens and believe every human you meet is your brother.
Culture comes, in part, from race.
Your race heavily influences your behavior.
Saying it doesn't matter is science denial.
Sometimes the topic is race, sometimes the topic is culture. There is no such thing as 'white' culture, but then again there is no such thing as 'black' culture either. Because there are many different cultures within each racial group.
If you don't care about matters of race, you don't need to talk about it. But when you're talking about racial stuff, there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying 'white' or 'black'. There's lots of people who do want to talk about the area in between 'everyone' and 'muh specific culture'.
And since you never know which bloodline to use to categorize yourself- race classifications are essentially useless. They shouldn’t be used at all- what purpose do they serve other than to suppress one group over another?
Mike Pence is 100% White, wtf are you on about
I believe he is using the Pocahontas law of relativity.
He’s so white he’s silver.
His hair is white. His skin is sort of an off white creamy pink. Good skin. No blemishes!
He looks like a classic ice cream man
Dude is white AF.
He's a silver fox
We have the best diversity. An orange president and silver vice president.
“Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.”
The part of this amazing verse that should really grab the reader is that we were “commanded” to be brave of heart, it’s not some weak or random choice we get to make as followers, but an unquestionable direct duty and responsibility. Keep the Bible quotes coming, the word is what gets us through these unprecedented times of corruption!
Awoman
Pence knows he’s done politically if he turns Judas. He probably won’t make it ten yards into Indiana if he cucks.
I think this is likely one more sting/ psy op to make folks think he can be bribed.
Narrator:
That's a call out if I've ever heard one
More like a prime to the normies out there.
Liquidate your salt reserves, Pedes!
Thinking the same thing.
“No I don’t think... uh, I don’t have the paper I front of me..”
He's cutting through the fake news.
Lots of people even here keep claiming that Pence doesn't have the authority to reject electors.
He does.
signals, not noise
The Supreme court has already ruled, they're just waiting for the case to be filed first. But if it takes too long, they'll file the case themselves.
If he does, does congress still needs to vote on it? Or can pence just add up what electors he wants? Can't this be abused in the future? How does this work?
Ive been asking this for weeks. Makes you wonder why biden didnt pull something like this in 2017 when they were balls deep in muh russia.
It's such a subtle wording. If he'd said "The VP has the duty..." I think it would absolutely be a call out. Since he said "The VP has the power...", I read it as justifying the actions to his critics.
DAMN RIGHT HE DOES
I've been reading about it for weeks now and listening to podcasts, watching videos, etc. Still have no idea how this works.
Dan Bongino had the most thorough explanation on his 12/30/20 show "What's Really Going Down on Jan 6th at 1pm?" (Ep 1424)
The episode heavily relies on this Epoch Times piece
He rejects the envelopes unopened, like any mail-in ballot from someone who’s not registered/ didn’t sign the envelope / mailed it late / etc.
Playing devil’s advocate, what’s to stop him from rejecting the ballots from any and every blue state?
I’d be fine with this, by the way. I just want to know if he legally can.
This is the type of thing that would get caught up in the courts for years and years. Not saying that is bad, just saying there is no clear answer because it hasn't been done before.
Does the Supreme Court have any say in this?
Pretty much nothing, but that’d just mean no one gets 270. Then the states would still get the to vote.
Nothing, but that’d be a good thing. The founders never intended on the POTUS being elected by the general public. They wanted him elected by a sample of Americans plucked from across the fields and countrysides of the nation. That pretty quickly failed as State Legislatures balked and decided to hold “elections” and gave control of nominations to the parties... and that’s how we got stuck with a two-party system.
Well, the founders left a fallback Plan B which is one of those fallbacks that’s probably better than the Plan A.... The States vote. The VP can throw out envelopes, but he can’t add votes to push someone over 270. All he can do is push it to congress.
Well... a State-by-State vote is good. Its better than we’re doing now. Also better than trusting a “random” group of Americans who’d easily be corrupted and targeted and god knows what else.
Well, they’d have to win the presidency and it should be a long time before Democrats can run the table on a majority of the several states. Democrats could very well never win the Presidency ever again.
https://bongino.com/ep-1424-whats-really-going-down-on-jan-6-at-1p
This could be explained in 1-2 minutes. He takes 20 minutes.
He is long winded and repeats himself a lot. Gotta fill the time slot I suppose.
Use this link instead if you don't want to have to sign up for emails https://outline.com/7Cx2eB
That's the best description I've found too.
What are the challenges? I'm looking to BTFO my little rigger brother
He just picks the alternate slate for states that have alternate slates of electors sent in.
How does certification by state legislatures relate to this? Does it factor at all?
If Pence picks the Republican electors as legitimate, then all Democrats can do is vote to reject them. But it also means they can't accept alternate electors. They can only vote to reject or accept. If they vote to reject, then there's a stalemate that has to be sorted out.
So that means state legislature certification doesn't really mean anything.
It doesn’t mean nothing, but it can be checked by Congress and the VP.
hope not.
alternate slates in this case have been put forward by tiny minorities of each state's respective legislatures. A dozen here and there from states with hundreds of seats in their House and Senate.
They have next to no legitimacy.
If Pence wants to stand up and change history here, he needs to just reject the disputed states wholesale and trigger a contingency vote.
The constitution grants the authority to the legislatures. A tiny minority of the legislature is more legit than a slate certified by a governor or sos
But there haven’t been any special sessions, so technically, the alternate slates haven’t been certified. Although, Rudy says that the legislatures don’t need to be in session at all for them to certify.
not without congressional approval, and we don't have the votes in the Senate.
The way I understand it is that there are 2 legal interpretations. They (POTUS/Pence) have seem to concluded on the interpretation that he certainly does have the power. Maybe someone else can chime in if I am wrong.
THIS
Oops, no standing.
But the Democrat electors would sue, so the SCOTUS would certainly hear the case
As long as it’s after Jan 20th, the inauguration can’t be undone.
And that's when the supreme court fucks them
And a-fucking-women.
It's all derived from "the votes shall then be counted", a passive voice phrase that doesn't really tell you much about what the process is supposed to look like. There's also zero precedent for a VP to exercise any discretion over the vote count over the objections of Congress.
I think the play is to just do it anyway and see if the resulting chaos works out somehow.
Not true. Thomas Jefferson did it and became president because of that (He was VP at the time and counting his own votes). Nixon did not count his own certified elector votes from Hawaii in 1960 and instead chose JFK's non-certified votes. Certification didn't matter at all. If it had, then Nixon would have been required to count the votes for himself.
As I said:
In both those cases, Congress didn't give a fuck because it was obvious who the votes were for so there were no objections.
In 1876, when there actually was a massive controversy about the electoral votes, the VP didn't do anything.
1876 was an illegal and off the books decision though. They didn't follow any constitutional procedure, this is all Calvinball now.
That's my point.
There have been times the VP did do something, however. So it could go however it goes.
Jefferson didn’t cast aside any electors in 1800. It was a tie, with no one having a majority of electoral votes so it went to the House. The House held 35 ballots and were tied between Jefferson and Burr. Hamilton intervened and convinced Federalists to back Jefferson and lots of people changed to Jefferson or Abstained and Jefferson won. Jefferson didn’t do any ballot picking or choosing in the election of 1800. It WAS controversial though.
Don’t need precedence. Time to write our own history and free ourselves from the shackles of cuckservativism.
There IS precedent, as the other commenter said. As the head of the Senate, it's squarely in his duties to resolve disputes at that level, if he's willing to take the heat.
He might be the person to resolve a disagreement between the House and the Senate if they're split. Power to unilaterally elect himself and POTUS is a massive stretch.
I still say they really have nothing to lose by trying anyway. If SCOTUS has no jurisdiction to adjudicate this, who's going to say what is or isn't legal?
(copypaste from my last reply since you raised the exact same concern.) And that's the point that will be argued endlessly if Pence acts, and his rationale for not acting if he declines to do so. He's within his rights to resolve the dispute in this manner in the strict sense of it. That will never satisfy our opponents because, in this case, that dispute happens to determine the outcome of the election. Nonetheless, the rule is the rule, and there is no rigid rule I'm aware of that requires him to recuse himself, however much the left may try to say he must.
And that's the point that will be argued endlessly if he acts. He's within his rights to resolve the dispute in this manner in the strict sense of it. That will never satisfy our opponents because, in this case, that dispute happens to determine the outcome of the election. Nonetheless, the rule is the rule, and there is no rigid rule I'm aware of that requires him to recuse himself, however much the left may try to say he must.
Other than saying damn right can you see where it says this in the constitution? Im also confused
Mitch McConnell is 78 years old.
He likely doesn't give a fuck what happens to GOP from now on.
That's the big risk with having very old people in positions of power - they personally have no future and their motivations can fluctuate very wildly influenced by a ton of factors ranging from misinfo to late life crisis to dementia onset.
I find that most if not all older people care about their legacy. A lot of these old fucks are stuck in their ways and live in a buble you and I would find fuckin abhorrent to how we live now.
Exactly This. 30yo to 50yo for all members of congress
And they are more susceptible to massive cash bribes.
Need to clean house and congress top to bottom of non MAGA uniparty career politicians.
Without Trump GOP will become a controlled opposition and the dems will let them win once in a while, just like before.
McConnell are RINOs are making a business decision.
This is why its so important for trump to get another four years.
Not only does he need to preserve the security of elections but he also needs to put in safeguards to prevent the Democrats from a doing the same thing down the road for their own made up reasons.
No other republicans have the balls to discard democrat votes in front of the joint session of congress.
The only republicans with balls that I've seen recently have been Josh Hawley, Ron DeSantis, Laura Boebert and Matt Gaetz.
Every other republicans, including Cruz, are pussies.
When your party showed massive evidence of voter fraud daily for 2 months and the other party just ignored it then I do not care how Trump becomes president.
This was a coup and the response must be unprecedented.
And btw no election was overturned, Pence would just make sure the person who was actually elected by the people gets into office.
Multiple poll watchers kicked out at night because they wanted to resume the counting in the morning... they didn't stop counting.
Multiple counties with 100%+ turnout, some in Michigan had about 350% (which is literally impossible, in countries with mandatory voting such as Australia and Brazil turnout reaches about 95%).
Mail in rejected rates which have been around 20% for years but this year was 0.1%, this year almost no ballot was rejected lol.
And the fact that Trump got more votes in every state (including fucking NYC) except for the 6 stolen states.
No court of law heard the evidence, they were all rejected on technicality bs.
And the obvious shit that Trump increased his margin in Florida but lost Georgia?
Increased his margin in Ohio but lost PA?
Yeah ok lol
But but but Lin wood said pence was going to jail for treason! /s
What is up with that?
Welp, that's as close to a confirmation as we will ever get.
only 24 hours more
I was thinking, why didn't the corrupt dems try this when Trump was first elected in 2016? then realized if they brought attention to fraudulent votes they would have been exposed for trying to steal THAT election LOL
PENCE DO YOUR DUTY
VP Pence will be a hero and will go down in history if he acts accordingly with Trump's statement here. If Pence is loyal to Trump he will reject those electoral votes. Based off of Pence's recent statements it does appear he is.
Imagine the autistic screeching, it would be glorious!
I don't even know how this is debatable for him. Become a legend in time or get mobbed by your former supporters. In my mind if he wanted to torpedo Trump's election, he would have simply just resigned and come out strongly against him. This all seems like a huge psy op to entice bribery charges against idiots.
It’s in his best interest. He could easily win in 2024 if he pulls through.
Pence will go down in history tomorrow, that's for sure.
If he sides with the fraud, he should be the first person taken to the gallows.
If he sides with rejecting the fraud, then he will be a hero and will have sealed himself the presidency in 2024.
Choose wisely Mr Vice President.
Also Gohmert's friendly lawsuit against Pence indicates he will likely do the right thing.
How'd that go?
It's go time, boys!
Yes he does and tomorrow will cement President Trump's reelection. Buckle up!
must be thrown out
LMAO DOOMERS BTFO
PredictIt closed their markets in December lolol. I think I am just playing for pride at this point. had $7k on him to win $35-40k so if they don't pay up I will be very angry.
Yeah I don’t believe those were available to me at the moment. I was putting money in as early as July.
I don’t believe it’s going to pay even if trump is pres on Jan 21. AFAIK the terms and conditions prevent you from basically contesting any outcome of their decision. Sucks but whatever. I don’t get why they wouldn’t wait the 5 more weeks because if they come out behind on this one they’ll be done forever.
Listen pede, gambling (even when you know you are going to win) is not the way. the devil will cheat you somehow.
i've said before that VP does not have the legal authority to reject any votes. Its unprecedent.
However I am entirely on board with MAKING a precedent that establishes that authority.
I just hope Trump understands - a precedent with such ramification as this, gets set in blood, not on Twitter.
He better have more people with guns behind him, ready to back up HIS interpretation of constitution than the Democrats do.
So far when it came to people ready and willing to use force, Democrats consistently had better backing.
Trump had none.
Thomas Jefferson did it -- that's how he became POTUS.
Nixon did it when he was Ike's VP re: his election against JFK (although unlike with Jefferson, it didn't make a difference for the JFK win as it was just Hawaii).
"Unprecedented" doesn't mean what you think it means.
what thomas jefferson did was nothing like this. Their paperwork was fucky, but there was zero dispute over who Georgia's votes were inteded to be counted for.
lolgf clown.
I don't think he can betray us because he simply has no operation in law or otherwise that allows him to "reject" anything. He can hand an envelop to Congress.
The Founders never placed the power to overturn an election in the hands of the guy who directly stands to benefit from overturning the election.
Not sure what fucking Planet T_D has gone off to, but it needs to come on back to Earth now. We got a country to save.
That is simply not true. I'm not saying Pence can't or won't do it, but your assumption of authority is not written anywhere.
You don’t understand the context. He can’t “overturn an election” and nobody is saying that. It’s not supposed to be a clean process every time. This stuff was written hundreds of years ago.
The idea is that the VP certifying results is the final signal of accepting a transition - a member of previous administration counting votes and accepting results. Basically it is the moment for the population to watch and see if both sides agree that everything has been above board. Everyone has to work together to make it happen - all the state level reps, the outgoing admin via VP, and the incoming admin via president elect.
It’s the moment where, if something is fucky, the majority population has the opportunity to take their 1A and 2A and act before the inauguration date. By this point in time, we the people are supposed to be satisfied with the results and procedures en masse. If we aren’t, we are expected to do - exactly what Trump has asked. Show up. Be heard. Be seen. And if required, be ready to do something.
This is all playing out exactly as it is supposed to, historically, other than the deep swamp judges and AGs. But the system as written can take care of that shortfall too, assuming people will take their 1 and 2 As seriously.
not really
We’ll see what happens.
“Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.”
Hello Marco Rubio!
we're all watching you Pence, don't let us down! Promises made promises kept
100% he won’t lol Pence is Patriot
Here we go, i think its finally "happening".
I feel it too.. I’m going to fast and pray all day tomorrow
Tomorrow is also epiphany/theophany
Doomer faggot handshake account
My old account was banned for being right about scotus. I'm trying to break it to you gently, but you're in for a rude awakening tomorrow.
I dont give a shit about your old account, and you're not breaking anything gently. You are being a doomer faggot piece of shit trying to demoralize people here from voting, participating or doing anything period.
You're a piece of shit that needs to get the fuck out. We win we win we lose we lose but faggot doomers like you are not welcome. If you feel this way then get the fuck off TD and go live the rest of your cucked life as a loser doing whatever it is you do in life and get the fuck away from those who still have a fighting spirit.
You're clearly a mentally broken individual.
You're clearly a doomer faggot but at least you are very ineffective and can't persuade anyone to join your cuckoldry.
I'm not going to have a panic attack tomorrow/be delusional for 4 years like you are. Bad things happen in the real world
Did it actually happen? I hope you saw my warning of betrayal.
Neat.
Color me surprised if Pence rejects the fraudulent electors. I'll have faith in Pence when he gives me a reason to.
BS He did covid. He did supreme court justices. He did debates. He campaigned for Trump. He is a busy man who Trump trusts and Trump said so. Let's believe what Trump says
Yeah... why did trump even pick this cuck?
As insurance because Pence is GOPe.
You're goddam right
The Silver Fox will be known as the man who saved America in her darkest hour
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Constitutionally granted authority = sedition*, according to the left.
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"sedition"
Good catch
John Adams chose to accept the electors from Vermont in 1796
Jefferson accepted questionable slate of electors in 1800 from Georgia
Viva Barnes podcast is so money. I also recommemd the Parcast podcast called American Scandal.
This is correct. The power is enshrined in the Constitution. All he needs now is to put on the full Armor of God, for he will be tested. Pray for his courage and resilience.
Yep, the founders assumed that elector’s votes would be secret and thus the ability to reject illegal electors wouldn’t offer the VP any opportunity to effect the election, because the certificates would all be sealed, and he wouldn’t know who the votes were for.
States have thrown out how this is supposed to work by passing laws that attempt to shift the power to the people, and try to control the nomination and voting if the electors. This maneuver both creates an opportunity for fraud which doesn’t exist in the original design, but also a method for curing fraud.
The electors were supposed to be random members of the public.
Then congress passed the electoral count act to try and do away with the problems from 1876, but the ECA is constitutionally questionable.
what I learned from post election debacle is that with SCOTUS it's better to do things your way and ignore them.
Than, IF they take a case against you, you still get your day in court - but in that case time and status quo is on your side.
President Trump has a duty to the American people to obstruct/stop the transition if the fraudulent electors are certified.
If his plan doesn’t involve mass arrests and law and order, rooting out corruption and treason then this win is hollow and temporary. The other side is at war and will not surrender.
Congress is corrupt and will impeach him immediately in a vote 92-8 just like the veto proof bills they just passed.
JUSTICE OR THIS IS ALL POINTLESS.
Why would they impeach? They would be stuck with the guy who threw out the electors in their face.
I really don't think cities will burn if Trump wins. The challenge is getting him in right now.
He only has to arrest the Speaker of the House. If she’s removed, they can impeach Trump and Pence and the line of succession will fall to IIRC Pompeo?
This is the play.
Pence picks alternate slates of electors for states that have sent them in.
DEMs are put into the position of objecting or letting Trump win outright.
DEMS must vote against accepting Pence's count or let Trump win outright.
Electors are rejected in an amount that makes reaching 270 impossible.
Contingent election must occur.
Revote by roll call of states, 1 vote per state.
Contingent election happens in the House, Pelosi will have gamed out some fuckery.
It’s cleaner to reject both sets and send it to a state by state vote on the theory that he’s not in a position to pick who’s right and wrong and just can’t tell who’s legit.... He could blame SCOTUS and say that without their decision he has not choice but to reject both.
Nah fuck this cucked bs and fuck you. After all the shit that has happened over the course of 2020, you still want to play “fair” with these leftist fuckers? Shame on you.
Throw their votes out and accept Trump votes only. Let them figure out for once how to deal with this instead of cuckservative feeding them their slice of pie by bending over backwards.
Trump's second term still needs legitimacy.
The much touted 'alternate slates' are backed by small minorities of the legislature from their respective states.
You can't hang your presidency on 20 guys out of 200 voting for you.
Pence needs to reject these states completely. If he can't do that, the cleaner option is to invoke Insurrection Act and go to war.
Picking minority backed electors, he will have no legitimacy at all. I doubt military will back him up than.
did you guys actually count the signatures for those alternate slates of electors? You should - only a small minority of legislature from each state, signed on to back those.
Pence needs to reject disputed states wholesale and trigger a contingency vote.
Personally, I don’t want him to select an alternative slate and just reject those states outright. Reason is that then in future elections every state Dem committee will vote send their electors and I don’t want them to have the option to count them.
Yes, I think this is the way. But I believe a supermajority is needed to reject electors? So VP is election god and no one noticed before?
But will he? Sorry, at this point in the game I only trust one person.
Dude 100% I guarantee it
Trump wages a clean war.
THIS IS IT!
so, then it actually does mean we don't even need objectors? Pence can legally just say "Fuck off Biden electors from PA, AZ, GA, MI, WI and NV"? ...in Minecraft and without the F-words...
He can refuse to count any electors from contested states and then neither candidate hits 270
What would have to happen after that?
I believe states then vote by delegation with each state getting 1 vote. R's have a strong lead there, something like +6
Any plan relying on Republican politicians having courage or doing the right thing is doomed.
contingency election. 1 vote per state.
I'm probably wrong on this, and hopefully a more knowledgeable pede will correct me, but I thought it went like this;
Jan 6 - In the absence of a majority (270) the House votes to select the president, the Senate votes to select the Vice President.
If there are issues with conflicting electoral votes, the two houses may vote which to accept or reject. If they can't agree, the electors certified by the Governor of the disputed state would be counted.
Again, probably wrong, but hopefully someone chimes in.
Edit - Okay, I feel it's not fair to have others do the hard lifting while I sit here. It turns out it's a state-by-state vote in the House. So not number of sitting congresswomen (this is a thing now, right Emanuel Cleaver?). It's one vote per state. So while Congress is Democrat majority by total seats, the Republicans have this by State vote (California with 55 electoral votes now gets just as much of a say as Montana with 3).
I think I get this now.
Could he unilaterally reject one set but not the other? Legally and for optics maybe he rejects those states entirely for failing to run an election and then it goes to delegates. Hmm
I think there are a couple options. He can tell them to fuck off (or rather tear up those ballots), which I think would reduce the number of votes needed to win, handing it directly to Trump. He can also say “hmm, we have two sets of electors here from these states, I don’t know which to choose,” in which case the winning number would still be 270. In that case the president would be elected by the House, and the VP by the Senate.
He's within his rights to resolve the dispute in this manner in the strict sense of it. That will never satisfy our opponents because, in this case, that dispute happens to determine the outcome of the election. Nonetheless, the rule is the rule, and there is no rigid rule I'm aware of that requires him to recuse himself, however much the left may try to say he must.
I can hear the Liberal screams from here. I can't believe he actually said it! We've been repeating this for weeks on The Donald and I was wondering if this was baseless conjecture.
But now we know. This was the plan all along. With the power of the Vice President, the Senators objecting the results and us, the militia, TRUMP WILL WIN! WE WILL SAVE OUR REPUBLIC!
But what if they identify as valid electors? REEEE
Hmmm...GEOTUS invites everyone to DC well in advance. Then he tweets this. So now when shit hits the fan and there are a ton of patriots there, it'll be tough for the BLM/Antifidiots to rally without some resistance.
That's my read.
Lovely.
Trump wouldn't tweet this if he didn't have 100% confidence in Pence
He knows what he is doing and what SCOTUS is really about, path to victory was never through a “court” let’s be real this year goes far beyond that
Pure cope
Regardless of Pence, the President swore an oath to defend the Constitution and the people. All this comes down to whether that is done through the system or outside the bounds of it.
Sounds like he's setting it up!
THIS RIGHT FUCKING HERE
THE DOMINIONCRATS ARE PRESSING FORWARD WITH THEIR PLAN, BLATANTLY ILLEGAL AND FRADULANT. THEY ARE RELYING ON THE MEDIA AND THE COURTS TO BLOCK FOR THEM. ITS TIME TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE!!
THE DOMINIONCRATS CAN ONLY BE STOPPED BY THE MEANS THEY ARE EMPLOYING. WHO CARES IF THE MEDIA CALLS YOU NAMES? FUCK IT! THEY ARE STEALING THE REPUBLIC! ITS TIME TO GO FULL NUCLEAR AND START BREAKING FUCKING JAWS!
This right here. Pence should ACT FIRST ASK PERMISSION LATER. That's how the left has been doing for years. Push, push, push and get away with AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHENEVER POSSIBLE!!!
here i am holding my breath hoping congress doesnt fuck us all over, yet again.
This must be what was in the Bush funeral envelopes.
This exact tweet, verbatim. It all makes sense now!!!
LET'S GO BOYS
how do you guys think this turns out? Do you trust pence? Or do you think hes like Lin Wood said?
I trust pence. He has been by Trumps side the whole time
Nobody can be so close to Trump and not become 100% devoted to him. Even if he was an establishment republican when he became VP, once he truly saw Trump in action he would be turned.
Do I think Pence is a pedo that will be executed by a firing squad? No I'm not retarded.
I think Lin Wood and Pence are both on the up-and-up. I think the letters were a proposed peace deal with the Deep State. Either they refused, or backed out, or Trump never had any intent to honor the deal and wanted to use it as a trap. Either way, Pence knew what was in it, and Lin is saying it's time for everything to come out. Doesn't mean he thinks Pence is an enemy, unless there's something more I haven't seen.
This is it. Now we know. I hope there's more to come!
watch the twitter trolls say "NO HE DOESN'T, HE HAS TO ACCEPT OUR FRAUD! REEEEEED"
Bunch of retards in the replies. lol
Synopsis? I cant stand reading through them anymore
"seditious"
"lol no he can't"
Oh boy. Hopefully he makes the right choice tomorrow
It’s happening.