While I want to live in a place where laws matter (for all parties), elections are transparent, politicians truly represent their constituents, and you don't have to worry about your government gunning for you and your rights... I would never support succession from this Union. I fucking love America and will fight for it, until I win or die. This is my America and I will take it back, not give it up to globalist and communist.
What alternative is there? Go into the liberal cities with guns blazing? Submit to permanent communist rule? Your vote doesn't count. Your voice is censored. The courts don't give a shit. Why stay?
Why can some few see past their own nose? Why must it always be senseless violence against "Liberals or their cities?" Shit, the British are here and enforcing their rule. Guess I'll go kill my neighbor and burn down the nearest city that thinks the British are still helpful. It just takes a small collective, in the revolution it took 3% to drive the British back to the mainland. Now imagine if 3% of the pissed off people in this country collectively; Stopped paying their taxes, stopped registering their property and vehicles, stopped allowing their children to die in foreign lands, refused to listen to laws and politicians that violate the Constitution, and stopped conceding to live oppressed. 3% is roughly 10 million people. What are they gonna do? Arrest or kill us all?
I think you could get 30-60% to engage in that sort of non-violent civil disobedience actually. I think it is the most effective strategy to save American civilization.
What you're advocating is a sort of secession anyway.
Why not secede and take the "Union" with you? Hasn't the makeup of the Union been changing since its founding?
Serious question, what is this "America" you're willing to die for. The people, the laws, the culture, the land? Surely it isn't a few dozen run-down corrupt cities and their Leftist denizens?
The constitution is excellent, but if it allowed all this to happen, then at least it needs several adjustments, right? Why not have a new Union with a better constitution?
" hope for the future" - That's tied up with the people, culture, laws and institutions. The dominant laws and and institutions (even if constitution is excellent) in USA now are absolutely disgusting.
You have good points. But the constitution didn’t allow this to happen. The people allowed it to happen by being apathetic. By worrying about things more than ideals. By not checking the politicians, judges, bureaucrats when they stepped out of line. The states also. The states and the people have allowed the government to awarded itself authority and powers it never had a right to.
While secession might work to reset, we shouldn’t give up on the rest of the country when the cancerous parts are just the major cities. You don’t just ignore cancer when you find it, you cut it out.
While I want to live in a place where laws matter (for all parties), elections are transparent, politicians truly represent their constituents, and you don't have to worry about your government gunning for you and your rights... I would never support succession from this Union. I fucking love America and will fight for it, until I win or die. This is my America and I will take it back, not give it up to globalist and communist.
This is a healthy discussion to be had
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What alternative is there? Go into the liberal cities with guns blazing? Submit to permanent communist rule? Your vote doesn't count. Your voice is censored. The courts don't give a shit. Why stay?
Why can some few see past their own nose? Why must it always be senseless violence against "Liberals or their cities?" Shit, the British are here and enforcing their rule. Guess I'll go kill my neighbor and burn down the nearest city that thinks the British are still helpful. It just takes a small collective, in the revolution it took 3% to drive the British back to the mainland. Now imagine if 3% of the pissed off people in this country collectively; Stopped paying their taxes, stopped registering their property and vehicles, stopped allowing their children to die in foreign lands, refused to listen to laws and politicians that violate the Constitution, and stopped conceding to live oppressed. 3% is roughly 10 million people. What are they gonna do? Arrest or kill us all?
I think you could get 30-60% to engage in that sort of non-violent civil disobedience actually. I think it is the most effective strategy to save American civilization.
What you're advocating is a sort of secession anyway.
Why not secede and take the "Union" with you? Hasn't the makeup of the Union been changing since its founding?
Serious question, what is this "America" you're willing to die for. The people, the laws, the culture, the land? Surely it isn't a few dozen run-down corrupt cities and their Leftist denizens?
The constitution and the hope for the future it is supposed to protect.
The constitution is excellent, but if it allowed all this to happen, then at least it needs several adjustments, right? Why not have a new Union with a better constitution?
" hope for the future" - That's tied up with the people, culture, laws and institutions. The dominant laws and and institutions (even if constitution is excellent) in USA now are absolutely disgusting.
You have good points. But the constitution didn’t allow this to happen. The people allowed it to happen by being apathetic. By worrying about things more than ideals. By not checking the politicians, judges, bureaucrats when they stepped out of line. The states also. The states and the people have allowed the government to awarded itself authority and powers it never had a right to.
While secession might work to reset, we shouldn’t give up on the rest of the country when the cancerous parts are just the major cities. You don’t just ignore cancer when you find it, you cut it out.
Well said. Thank you pede.
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