Hello! I'm a philosophy student from Germany and consider myself a wanderer of the internet. From right wing to left wing, from your community here to communist reddit, I've been there. So I wondered - if I'm not too unwanted - if there are people willing to answer some questions of mine? For example I really wonder, how you perceive yourself or rather your ideology. Do you often find things you "dislike" about "your side"? Do you sometimes wonder if you maybe are wrong after all? (This is not a trick question, it comes from my own insecurities) Also feel free to ask questions in return. If this post will be allowed to stay that is.
Hello! I'm a philosophy student from Germany and consider myself a wanderer of the internet. From right wing to left wing, from your community here to communist reddit, I've been there. So I wondered - if I'm not too unwanted - if there are people willing to answer some questions of mine?
For example I really wonder, how you perceive yourself or rather your ideology. Do you often find things you "dislike" about "your side"? Do you sometimes wonder if you maybe are wrong after all? (This is not a trick question, it comes from my own insecurities)
Also feel free to ask questions in return. If this post will be allowed to stay that is.
We hate everyone equally here and we are never wrong, even when we are not right.....
I like this comment a lot. Yet it occurs to me, you still hate what I'll call "the other side" more, right? Do you see this group you follow as one that only allows for one way, the way that is the consensus? Or would you say critical self reflecting thoughts are welcomed?
I dont really hate anyone, and they are always welcome to come home to the side of rational thought and common sense... the only thing we follow here is truth and liberty.we are just a gathering of likeminded pedes but we have our disagreements and debates. Debates always have three sides...his side her side and the truth... however ‘that side’ you speak of, I assume the ‘left’, has abandoned truth so one can not have consensus with such people. Their ideology has become their truth.... beliefs like there are ‘no genders’ yet they wanna celebrate the first women this or that..., the fact that bacteria is life on Mars but a heart beat in the womb is not life on earth, or that global warming is an existential threat yet they all buy beach front mansions. Truth, science , common sense eludes these people but there is always time for them to be red pulled.....to wake up one day and if abs when they do they are welcome.....as for reflection and contemplation its always advised in business as in life. Annually, weekly, daily.
I think this is very interesting because in a rather left leaning family this is how we talk about the "right wing". We use similar words to describe it as well, especially truth and science and common sense. Now I don't wanna evoke a believes discussion as I created this post to open and broaden my view. But maybe I can share in one thing my perspective on a topic, because it is dear to me. I love nature. And I do believe, that it is robbed of me, due to climate change. We have an orchard at home that is lovely, yet we need to water more every year. I can see the nature aching under the pressure of industrialization. As a consequence I have studied environmental ethics and I decided to mostly leave meat out of my diet (among other things). Now, this is a personal choice. I hope to inspire, but not force others to live my way. But I like eating meat, it was nearly all I ate when I was younger. Yet I sacrificed. I know that even this probably involves some form of hypocrisy. And also you maybe think my premise - for climate change to exist - is wrong. But in all this, I've stayed true to my believe. I know there are a lot people like me on the left side out there. Don't take this the wrong way, by all means keep your ideas about this topic, it's not what this is about. I just feel the topic of climate change has become very degrading for people like me truly wanting to change our way with nature for the better. So this is a poor try to make ourselves better understood. We just truly think that we need to take better care of the environment because in our worldview it would be immoral not to. I hope this wasn't uncalled for, I know that nobody asked for this perspective.
There is no right or wrong topic as conversation is like a sympathy filled with many different instruments overlapping to create harmony...
I dont think there are many that do not believe in climate change. There is an misconception on the left that the right thinks it’s a myth. We don’t. And we strongly believe in preserving the land and especially clean air and water. The how and why is the debate... the science has not been fully honest in its assertion that it’s man made. And when the studies are funded by special interest it’s always about the money....History shows cyclic periods of hots and colds, hurricanes have not become more frequent as they try to sell in media etc. we do our part to help, of course and we always have... we have catalytic converters on all cars, increasing amounts of electric cars and smart homes... we recycle everything and I can’t even get a plastic bag anymore to carry my groceries..... but then you have things like the Paris Accord... and in it we, the USA need to carry the weight of the world pollution on our own shoulders. China, India, Russia all are exempt from meeting the same strict standards as us and we have to pay to cover the worlds short comings... and one can use the argument the left loves the earth more but it’s all nonsense... left and right politicians only love the power and their bank accounts and will get behind what ever ‘cause’ makes both of those grow... celebrities and politicians will stand on soap boxes and curse the world polluters then fly back and forth in private jets, own 6 cars... meanwhile the power plants used to make electric cars create twice the pollution of a regular car factory. And on and on...in a world where George Bush has a eco friendly near zero emission ranch in Texas and al gore doesn't even have solar panels or be willing to go vegan.....it’s all smoke and mirrors and all about the money. Been that way from the dawn of man...but we love the earth just as mush as the left
There is a lot i dislike about my side,. As a pro free market, pro liberty, pro traditional family values, federalist liberal (not a Stalinist, which is what most people are talking about when they think of liberals), I have been critical of Trump and Republicans since the beginning, but their weakness, corruption, and ineffectiveness pales in comparison to the deep unadulterated evil of the left, who espouse not one single thing that it logical, good, or that i would ever agree with.
But there are "false flags" on the internet. A lot of leftists come on here and say racist shit, or foment violence (though I am not anti-violence when violence is appropriate), ect. It can be hard to weed out what is real and what is fake at times. That is why it is so important to have guiding principles. Freedom is good, lies are bad, violence is only justified when natural liberty is threatened, ect.
Would you say the left side is evil? Or would you say they do evil but have good intentions? Or something inbetween? How would you differentiate within the left side? Or are they all the same? Because from an outer perspective your political left at least looks very tame and conservative. But I say this with full knowledge to not be able to see it from within.
The vast majority of evildoers believe that they are on the side of good. That is not always true, some people are truly evil and wish to cause mayhem, destruction, pain, or to defile that which is good or pure, but most believe they are following a path of righteousness.
You do not know me personally or my beliefs, so it is not fair of you to claim that my beliefs are racidal. However, I can give you the cliff notes. I simply believe that we are all born with certain natural rights, and that a government is a social contract which derives its authority from consent of the people and exists only to protect those natural rights, and any effort by the government to grant additional rights or change society or influence people is beyond its intended scope and unnatural and harmful.
It is not possible to differentiate a Nazi camp commandant who murders Jews because he believes himself to be ridding Germany of an evil which has perpetrated crimes on the German people and a Nazi camp commandant who murders Jews because he gains pleasure from the suffering of others. To do so would be to be a telepath. Nor does it matter. I would not aim to determine the intent of the perpetrator of evil and prosecute one as committing a hate crime and the other a "regular" crime. That is preposterous. Both Nazi commandants deserve hanging for crimes against humanity equally, after a fair trial. This is the nature of justice.
With that said, those who project their own racist beliefs onto others or hide behind the veil of race activism to drive our free nation towards the inherently evil and unnatural path of collectivism (socialism, fascism, globalism, communism, ect.) are in fact evil, regardless of whether they believe they are bringing about a greater positive change or whether they believe individualism is good and want to burn it to the ground out of malice.
I thank you for your effort with this elaborate answer. How would you react being confronted with your own ... let me say "methodology" so to speak. So let's say that I went to a communist reddit and asked, if they thought the "other side" (so what they see you on) evil or just to be acting evil out of good will. They might respond with the exact same thing. How comes we all are so sure about being on the right side?
Also if I can, I want to take some of your worries. Let me be frank, I don't really agree with republicans, the MAGA movement or whatever the newest group definition is. Also I don't think the specific ideology this forum has taken on will ever completely win. But still it will shift again. This is a mere blink in the history of politics. The communist spoken about here haven't won, they didn't even come close. Bernie Sanders is a moderate for them and even he didn't win so Biden is like far behind 3rd choice for communists. Same with the people in the senate. What I want to say is: Let's presume your ideology is the right one. Collectivism is inherently evil and bad. It will not doom your country. These forces you fear are for too diverse within themselves to make a communist state. If you are right there will be damage done, but it will be very bearable, as long as you don't make the factual existence of damage a source of pain itself. Maybe it will need a year, maybe a decade but eventually the tide will turn again. Although it likely will never completely go your way, it'll be closer again and you will have victories again.
Well I think at this point I'm too tempted to go into an argument how I see collectivism and individualism. Also in Germany there is an overwhelming majority, that doesn't believe in wide scale voter fraud. But I guess since Trump is less beneficial for us than Biden, we can't really make a point about this and expect to be believable. So yeah ... I guess instead I'll just thank you for your time and answers. It really helps me, to understand "the other side". :) Have a nice day and even if you don't believe me now, I genuinely believe your side will win again, although it is not "my side".
We will be made to believe we won again when an "approved" republican is selected for us. Like a Bush, who will resume the constant wars and selling out our middle class jobs overseas.
Your side does not believe there was fraud because either they do not care and fraud is ok because it helps your side win and therefore it is good to lie about it, or because they see only what they want to see and in order to remain correct and true to their own beliefs in their own heads they explain away the mountains of irregularities and verified proof of illegally cast ballots with mental gymnastics.
Germany's working class was suffering after the Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression when working class jobs were lost and they had two parties promising to help the working class, the Antifa Bolsheviks and the Nazis. Germany picked the Nazis based on fake news portraying the communists as violent thugs (not that they weren't violent thugs, but the media exaggerated the claims for propoganda) and voted for the Nazi party. Why didn't Germany just vote Hitler out once they found out the Nazis were murderous psychopaths? Oh, that's right. He took your guns, consolidated power, and suppressed the vote entirely.
Anyone that can't draw parallels between this simplified version of history and a simplified version of whats happening in America is a delusional partisan.
The result in Germany was death on a global scale never seen before and perpetrated by one man on another. What will the result be here?
Both the communists and fascists are two sides of the same coin, and I will never flirt with either collectivist ideology. They look the same to me. Evil.
I double dare you to challenge me on German history and its interpretation. Acting as if Germans were tricked by an evil dictator could maybe be received as well meant to a German person as it reliefs our historic responsibility and guilt. (guilt only as a country not as indvidual though) But we weren't tricked. Hitler lay his plans bare long before he was elected. He wrote them down for the world to see and now you can buy the damn book and see, what he published to everyone, before then proceeding to execute it. There were errors in the system, but reducing them to us Germans not owning guns is like spitting into the face of our culture of reflecting on these matters as well as spitting on our current system. I have made my peace with Americans to me inexplainable desire to own weapons. But I am very happy to live in a society where I don't need to be scared of any psycho owning a weapon. I will gladly forfeit any right to own a weapon to live in such a society. Now for you it may be different, but then it is good that you live in a country that allows them and I don't. You can feel safe in yours, I in mine. And when it comes to evil dictators, the best approach imo is to not elect them. Honestly, how do you think will an armed population defend against the dictator they elected themselves? There will be just as many armed people in favor of the dictator. Let me make this very clear: There is no dictator elected by accident. An election is a process to make sure a people gets the leadership they deserve. (quoted from someone I forgot) So yeah, I hope you now know, why I didn't wanna continue this. We have our differences and I wanted to explore the thoughts behind them. But I really don't think we can have a peaceful talk about ideologies. Especially not when an American person tries to tell me, that Hitler took over and wasn't voted out again because of a lack of privately owned weapons. There is no parallel of significance in the election of Hitler and of your quarrel in the USA. Let me make this very clear: Hitler is a time of terror and 75 years after it, we Germans still work on processing it (although people start forgetting sadly). Your side and your fight will be remembered at best. It will turn up as an event in a history channel within a bigger picture of the time. I know that you will not believe me, but your loss is of little significance. I don't know in which direction this significance goes, but it is really, really not that big. I/my party has lost several elections in my life, crushingly so, and I do feel you. It is hard and it is harsh. But in the end you will survive it. You can make fun of me or my country, you can say things I disagree with, but I want to warn you to ever again abuse German history to promote your political agenda in front of me or likeminded people.