Organization is the biggest hurdle we have by far. Communication is also huge, they own damn near all networks that aren’t very short range or word of mouth.
We have all the resources we’ll ever need if we come together though
The civil war was prior to the industrial revolution and fought because of tax revenue. We were an agrarian nation totally dependent upon tax revenue from cotton and tobacco. If the South had been allowed to leave, the Northern states and the burgeoning political class in D.C would have been wiped out and defenseless in a matter of a few years.
So the Southern Democrats were justified, and the Republicans, including Lincoln, were the tyrannical ones?
Uh... I think you’re gonna have a hard time selling that one. I do agree that the civil war was much more nuanced than we’re taught in school, no side was truly good or evil, but let’s not start some revisionist history here by claiming the Democrats were the good guys.
Apparently if you look into it, Lincoln did do some pretty crazy shit with the justification that he was keeping the country united. He made full use of his war time powers and from what I understand even jailed the heads of newspaper outlets that weren't writing pro-Union propaganda.
When democrats say the parties switched, they were right. And yes, the KKK Democrats actually do have far more in common with you then you realize. Tough sell here, I know. Here's my basic summary of one perspective on it.
Remember kiddos, the Emancipation Proclamation was one of the biggest psyops of the 19th century that most people have yet to figure out until today. It was meant to put a drain on the southern war effort by causing a massive flare up of slave rebellions in the southern states which would ultimately need to be put down by the Confederate army. To an extent, it worked.
The first batch to secede was purely because they were afraid of Republican rhetoric regarding slavery. The second batch to secede were appalled that Lincoln made a call for volunteers to put down the rebels after the siege of Fort Sumter. They were already pissed about the election, but the raising of an army to attack the South was what pushed them over the edge.
Have to disagree. The Democrats ran three presidential candidates against Lincoln and he won with a plurality. So, they said fuck it we're out. They wanted to quit the USA because they lost an election and because their rich folks and politicians were afraid they'd lose their money maker. Lincoln did nothing to them. He hadn't even taken office by the time most of them seceded. The reason for the war was secession and the reason for secession was slavery. Now many soldiers may have believed they were fighting for state's rights (particularly the right to secede), but the people who brought them to war did so to protect that 'peculiar institution'.
Saying this a a blk guy, I agree and think the civil wasn't entirely about slavery the older I get. The thing is I cannot explore this in depth with anyone IRL because how odd it looks or the preconditioned thought most normies have bought into.
Witnessing what has taken place with the election, what Trump has been trying to accomplish these past 4 years, and his treatment has shown me the lengths of how far the deep state will go and its jarring to say the least. I can imagine the same tactics being employed during the per-civil war era how the deep state spun facts and events to their favor to villainize people who wanted a smaller gov't.
This may not be the popular opinion but I do think the south should have been able to leave. Brining this forward to now, should MAGA be able to leave given the state of things, yes that's clear. The next steps though, I'm at a loss for the moment.
Slavery was obviously involved and the Confederate States may have never ended slavery, ever, if they were allowed to keep their values/beliefs without the influence of those who opposed them. But the core essence of the war wasn't over slavery but over the Republicans trying to force their cultural dominance on the Confederate States.
Arguably, slavery was on its way out among people in the Confederate States anyway and it was simply used as a tool by the Republicans to help them in the war. It's argued slavery would have likely been mostly gone and ended in the Confederate States over time and perhaps it was accelerated.
In any case, anyone thinking about this objectively really needs to think about the idea that a bunch of rich powerful guys got together and decided to start a war to free slaves because they cared that much about black people and freeing slaves, these powerful white men were willing to go to war and potentially lose over it? No, there's much more to it than that.
Bullshit. We advocate less government and more freedom. The Democrats during the Civil War advocated the literal enslavement of people. Don't compare us to them.
The society you want is one based on master morality. To the people who have slave moralities (communists), you are enslaving them. They call it capitalism, which is your form of enslavement.of those with slave moralities. Women consider men as enslaving them, hence feminism, a slave moralist movement to undo male master morality dominance. POCs call it systematic racism which is a slave morality ideology that attempts to subvert the master morality of white people. Climate change which is the slave morality ideology in order to subvert the whole nation's master morality value system etc...
The Republicans of old used slave morality to subvert the master morality of the Democrats. The parties did switch. After Republicans gained that dominance, they switched to the master morality and now the democrats are using slave morality to subvert the master morality of the republicans (you). After they have complete dominance, their value system will become the new master morality and that value system is leftism. They will demand complete submission to it.
It's an interesting lens to see things through. It mostly works. It's a decent explanation of things going on. Interesting perspective and lens to view things through anyway.
Personally, I'm a little questionable on the whole philosophy. I actually think Niestzche himself may have been a proponent of slave morality in the enlightenment era values he promoted in order to bring down the master morality of the Catholic Church. He of course flipped it and said the opposite to make himself seem like the master moralist but I'd actually disagree with him on that one. I think many of the values he promoted have actually led to the degradation of our society and have aided the left's slave morality push in their leftism take over society so overall, I don't like a lot of what he promoted.
It doesn’t matter what they advocated. None of them voted for lincoln and none of them wanted him. They had no incentive to stay in the union so they declared independence. Lincoln invaded a foreign country
The incentive to stay was the Constitution signed by our founding fathers. Just because you lose one election doesn't mean you pick up your toys and go home.
yes but they decided it wasn't worth it. things were different before the civil war. people viewed the united states as a union rather than a single country. if america was going to war they would say "the united states are going to war", rather than the united states is going to war.
it's basically like if the european union declared war on great britain over brexit
hate to say it. It's a direct challenge to the men of fighting age in our country.
Need a catalyst still. Even confederates were fed, organized, and guns and ammo where paid for/built by leaders and tradesmen who fought.
Been ready since about 2017. Still, you need organization, movements, tents, ammo, leadership etc. Goals and intel.
Lets get it done.
The south will rise, WILL rise again. Real America.
Organization is the biggest hurdle we have by far. Communication is also huge, they own damn near all networks that aren’t very short range or word of mouth.
We have all the resources we’ll ever need if we come together though
Joe Biden is not my President
He's not ANYBODY'S President...
not yet, give about two weeks
At least someone knows and is not afraid to say, that the civil war was never about slavery.
Then I guess small community and peaceful non-compliance is the move.
It probably always has been.
I tend to agree with your asessment.
Yep.
The civil war was prior to the industrial revolution and fought because of tax revenue. We were an agrarian nation totally dependent upon tax revenue from cotton and tobacco. If the South had been allowed to leave, the Northern states and the burgeoning political class in D.C would have been wiped out and defenseless in a matter of a few years.
Fact.
So the Southern Democrats were justified, and the Republicans, including Lincoln, were the tyrannical ones?
Uh... I think you’re gonna have a hard time selling that one. I do agree that the civil war was much more nuanced than we’re taught in school, no side was truly good or evil, but let’s not start some revisionist history here by claiming the Democrats were the good guys.
Apparently if you look into it, Lincoln did do some pretty crazy shit with the justification that he was keeping the country united. He made full use of his war time powers and from what I understand even jailed the heads of newspaper outlets that weren't writing pro-Union propaganda.
When democrats say the parties switched, they were right. And yes, the KKK Democrats actually do have far more in common with you then you realize. Tough sell here, I know. Here's my basic summary of one perspective on it.
https://thedonald.win/p/11RhFUaZV4/x/c/4DtDUaVEx9O
Lol the party switch narrative
Selling the truth is always hard. Its still the truth.
The civil war had leadership though.
no how I feel today is how people felt after the civil war
Remember kiddos, the Emancipation Proclamation was one of the biggest psyops of the 19th century that most people have yet to figure out until today. It was meant to put a drain on the southern war effort by causing a massive flare up of slave rebellions in the southern states which would ultimately need to be put down by the Confederate army. To an extent, it worked.
But it’s still not as bad as the left felt in the 2016 election. Remeber those salty tears!?????!?
No. We force the blue states to secede. I'm keeping my United States of America.
Not gonna happen if they control all branches.
shill alert! fake news
The GA articles of Secession disagree with your assertion
There are others, GA just did it in like the first line. Each state cited slavery iirc
The first batch to secede was purely because they were afraid of Republican rhetoric regarding slavery. The second batch to secede were appalled that Lincoln made a call for volunteers to put down the rebels after the siege of Fort Sumter. They were already pissed about the election, but the raising of an army to attack the South was what pushed them over the edge.
Have to disagree. The Democrats ran three presidential candidates against Lincoln and he won with a plurality. So, they said fuck it we're out. They wanted to quit the USA because they lost an election and because their rich folks and politicians were afraid they'd lose their money maker. Lincoln did nothing to them. He hadn't even taken office by the time most of them seceded. The reason for the war was secession and the reason for secession was slavery. Now many soldiers may have believed they were fighting for state's rights (particularly the right to secede), but the people who brought them to war did so to protect that 'peculiar institution'.
Saying this a a blk guy, I agree and think the civil wasn't entirely about slavery the older I get. The thing is I cannot explore this in depth with anyone IRL because how odd it looks or the preconditioned thought most normies have bought into.
Witnessing what has taken place with the election, what Trump has been trying to accomplish these past 4 years, and his treatment has shown me the lengths of how far the deep state will go and its jarring to say the least. I can imagine the same tactics being employed during the per-civil war era how the deep state spun facts and events to their favor to villainize people who wanted a smaller gov't.
This may not be the popular opinion but I do think the south should have been able to leave. Brining this forward to now, should MAGA be able to leave given the state of things, yes that's clear. The next steps though, I'm at a loss for the moment.
Slavery was obviously involved and the Confederate States may have never ended slavery, ever, if they were allowed to keep their values/beliefs without the influence of those who opposed them. But the core essence of the war wasn't over slavery but over the Republicans trying to force their cultural dominance on the Confederate States.
Arguably, slavery was on its way out among people in the Confederate States anyway and it was simply used as a tool by the Republicans to help them in the war. It's argued slavery would have likely been mostly gone and ended in the Confederate States over time and perhaps it was accelerated.
In any case, anyone thinking about this objectively really needs to think about the idea that a bunch of rich powerful guys got together and decided to start a war to free slaves because they cared that much about black people and freeing slaves, these powerful white men were willing to go to war and potentially lose over it? No, there's much more to it than that.
Bullshit. We advocate less government and more freedom. The Democrats during the Civil War advocated the literal enslavement of people. Don't compare us to them.
And that is what is going on again here.
The society you want is one based on master morality. To the people who have slave moralities (communists), you are enslaving them. They call it capitalism, which is your form of enslavement.of those with slave moralities. Women consider men as enslaving them, hence feminism, a slave moralist movement to undo male master morality dominance. POCs call it systematic racism which is a slave morality ideology that attempts to subvert the master morality of white people. Climate change which is the slave morality ideology in order to subvert the whole nation's master morality value system etc...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality
The Republicans of old used slave morality to subvert the master morality of the Democrats. The parties did switch. After Republicans gained that dominance, they switched to the master morality and now the democrats are using slave morality to subvert the master morality of the republicans (you). After they have complete dominance, their value system will become the new master morality and that value system is leftism. They will demand complete submission to it.
You must be a Niestzche guy
It's an interesting lens to see things through. It mostly works. It's a decent explanation of things going on. Interesting perspective and lens to view things through anyway.
Personally, I'm a little questionable on the whole philosophy. I actually think Niestzche himself may have been a proponent of slave morality in the enlightenment era values he promoted in order to bring down the master morality of the Catholic Church. He of course flipped it and said the opposite to make himself seem like the master moralist but I'd actually disagree with him on that one. I think many of the values he promoted have actually led to the degradation of our society and have aided the left's slave morality push in their leftism take over society so overall, I don't like a lot of what he promoted.
He does make a good point about Christians having slave morality
It doesn’t matter what they advocated. None of them voted for lincoln and none of them wanted him. They had no incentive to stay in the union so they declared independence. Lincoln invaded a foreign country
Their incentive to enskave people is not a right to secede.
Yeah, and Great Britain’s xenophobia is not a right to leave the European Union, right?
Same thing.
The incentive to stay was the Constitution signed by our founding fathers. Just because you lose one election doesn't mean you pick up your toys and go home.
yes but they decided it wasn't worth it. things were different before the civil war. people viewed the united states as a union rather than a single country. if america was going to war they would say "the united states are going to war", rather than the united states is going to war.
it's basically like if the european union declared war on great britain over brexit
Only moral people are capable of freedom.