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SoNoRiko 1 point ago +1 / -0

Saying this a a blk guy, I agree and think the civil wasn't entirely about slavery the older I get. The thing is I cannot explore this in depth with anyone IRL because how odd it looks or the preconditioned thought most normies have bought into.

Witnessing what has taken place with the election, what Trump has been trying to accomplish these past 4 years, and his treatment has shown me the lengths of how far the deep state will go and its jarring to say the least. I can imagine the same tactics being employed during the per-civil war era how the deep state spun facts and events to their favor to villainize people who wanted a smaller gov't.

This may not be the popular opinion but I do think the south should have been able to leave. Brining this forward to now, should MAGA be able to leave given the state of things, yes that's clear. The next steps though, I'm at a loss for the moment.

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Tseliteiv [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Slavery was obviously involved and the Confederate States may have never ended slavery, ever, if they were allowed to keep their values/beliefs without the influence of those who opposed them. But the core essence of the war wasn't over slavery but over the Republicans trying to force their cultural dominance on the Confederate States.

Arguably, slavery was on its way out among people in the Confederate States anyway and it was simply used as a tool by the Republicans to help them in the war. It's argued slavery would have likely been mostly gone and ended in the Confederate States over time and perhaps it was accelerated.

In any case, anyone thinking about this objectively really needs to think about the idea that a bunch of rich powerful guys got together and decided to start a war to free slaves because they cared that much about black people and freeing slaves, these powerful white men were willing to go to war and potentially lose over it? No, there's much more to it than that.