Is he saying what it sounds like he's saying? Is there any reason why getting the electors (fraudulently) certified would be essential to successful prosecution?
Which would support the idea that this was a game of deception. Pence could have been acting in our interest after all, and is simply helping to entrap (not the legal definition) the criminals into sealing the deal. Perhaps everything is going according to plan?
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Exactly. The door is now closed behind them. Not one person that allowed the votes to be certified can now say - yeah but I would have objected and not let them be certified, I am on the side of exposing any fraud.
And they would be let go on that.
Now they cant. Especially Pence. Pence was privy to the real interference and cheating and chose Biden.
I keep thinking about one thing: What would be the best time to call in the military & start arresting? It wouldn't be Nov. 5th. It wouldn't be Dec. 15th. It would be right after January 6th. Think about it - everyday before today they would have had an excuse, that the election is not certified, that the congress still gets to vote, etc. Many, many excuses. Now there are no excuses.
This seems like the kind of shit that's serious enough, where the real action will only occur past the point of no return.
Before that point, opponents can predict each other's moves + the probable outcomes of each, and they made contingency plans for all of them, years ago.
The Democrats made all the moves they can make, and are at their most vulnerable point now, in getting Joe to the 20th without interruption.
Yes indeed. It checks out, logically. And I’m trying to be as honest as I can be with myself, regarding the possibility of cognitive dissonance/goalpost shifting. It’s getting rough man.
I’ve always been an atheist, but I’m praying for the first time, today.
The problem is that the certifications have yet to be (and this is the important term) legally determined to be fraudulent. I mean, Lin Wood and Rudy say they're fraudulent, but Lin Wood and Rudy have no actual authority. Courts at all levels--state and federal--have either ruled otherwise or refused to hear the evidence altogether.
Therefore, anyone who certified could simply shrug and say: "I operated under the best knowledge I had at the time of certification; and at the time of the certification, the Electors were legally valid."
Surely there is a degree of due diligence that is expected from them, as representatives of millions of people? An expectation that they can’t just pretend to miss all the buzz about alleged election fraud, and make no effort whatsoever to investigate, nevermind try to disprove the allegations and circumstantial evidence of fraud, before voting to certify the results.
Especially when a considerable chunk of the congress voted against it, and were apparently concerned enough about the possibility of election fraud that they weren’t willing to certify (yet).
They can pull a HRC and claim they didn’t intend to certify fraudulent results, despite the circumstances, and get off scot-free? Not all surprising, to be honest. But frustrating
They were told by the dueling electors and state reps shit went wrong. Pence especially SEEN with his own fucking eyes the data being transmitted back and forth out of the united states.
He of all people knew for a fact, A FACT voter interference happened by an outside country.
Surely there is a degree of due diligence that is expected from them, as representatives of millions of people? An expectation that they can’t just pretend to miss all the buzz about alleged election fraud, and make no effort whatsoever to investigate, nevermind try to disprove the allegations and circumstantial evidence of fraud, before voting to certify the results.
You're describing a criminal investigation; as it is, criminal investigations are a function of the Executive Branch (specifically the Justice Department) and the man who was (until a very short time ago) in charge of the Justice Department said there was no evidence of fraud. As they can rightfully assume from Barr's words that due diligence has already been performed by the proper investigating authority--in a branch overseen by the President--then why would they feel obligated to duplicate effort.
What has been alleged is a massive conspiracy, unprecedented in scope and depth with (as you point out) no hard evidence, just circumstantial evidence and "buzz". As there is nothing concrete to disprove, it is thus impossible to disprove. So they're faced with either a choice: devote a massive amount of time and energy to prove a negative, or cut bait and take action on a concrete result: the electoral college voted on the 14th of December and said votes were filed in accordance with existing laws.
Is he saying what it sounds like he's saying? Is there any reason why getting the electors (fraudulently) certified would be essential to successful prosecution?
Which would support the idea that this was a game of deception. Pence could have been acting in our interest after all, and is simply helping to entrap (not the legal definition) the criminals into sealing the deal. Perhaps everything is going according to plan?
Thoughts, everyone?
Yes, bcs now also the highest levels (Pence &Co.) ceritified the fraud. Crime completed, time to make arrests is coming.
With this move he also made all the fake patriots (example: I will object blah blah, and then put a knife in his back) came to light.
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I swear. If this actually happens... I don't even know what to say bro.
Hawaii Judge enters the chat and dismisses the treason charges against Congress on grounds that the Insurrection Act must be ordered before the crime is complete. Also, Hawaii judges appends to this ruling a nationally-binding determination that, legally, animals have a human right to gender reassignment surgery.
Does this mean I have to foot the bill for my guinea pig to become a woman?
No. It’s completely free. The government pays for it.
Oh, and also, did I mention, it’s mandatory,
Exactly. The door is now closed behind them. Not one person that allowed the votes to be certified can now say - yeah but I would have objected and not let them be certified, I am on the side of exposing any fraud.
And they would be let go on that.
Now they cant. Especially Pence. Pence was privy to the real interference and cheating and chose Biden.
I keep thinking about one thing: What would be the best time to call in the military & start arresting? It wouldn't be Nov. 5th. It wouldn't be Dec. 15th. It would be right after January 6th. Think about it - everyday before today they would have had an excuse, that the election is not certified, that the congress still gets to vote, etc. Many, many excuses. Now there are no excuses.
I truly think there could be something to this...
This seems like the kind of shit that's serious enough, where the real action will only occur past the point of no return.
Before that point, opponents can predict each other's moves + the probable outcomes of each, and they made contingency plans for all of them, years ago.
The Democrats made all the moves they can make, and are at their most vulnerable point now, in getting Joe to the 20th without interruption.
Yes they cant say they wouldnt have let the fraud votes stand. Now they cannot backpedal.
The door is now closed behind them. They are the fish in the barrel, not Trump.
Yes indeed. It checks out, logically. And I’m trying to be as honest as I can be with myself, regarding the possibility of cognitive dissonance/goalpost shifting. It’s getting rough man.
I’ve always been an atheist, but I’m praying for the first time, today.
The problem is that the certifications have yet to be (and this is the important term) legally determined to be fraudulent. I mean, Lin Wood and Rudy say they're fraudulent, but Lin Wood and Rudy have no actual authority. Courts at all levels--state and federal--have either ruled otherwise or refused to hear the evidence altogether.
Therefore, anyone who certified could simply shrug and say: "I operated under the best knowledge I had at the time of certification; and at the time of the certification, the Electors were legally valid."
Criminal negligence couldn’t come into play?
Surely there is a degree of due diligence that is expected from them, as representatives of millions of people? An expectation that they can’t just pretend to miss all the buzz about alleged election fraud, and make no effort whatsoever to investigate, nevermind try to disprove the allegations and circumstantial evidence of fraud, before voting to certify the results.
Especially when a considerable chunk of the congress voted against it, and were apparently concerned enough about the possibility of election fraud that they weren’t willing to certify (yet).
They can pull a HRC and claim they didn’t intend to certify fraudulent results, despite the circumstances, and get off scot-free? Not all surprising, to be honest. But frustrating
They were told by the dueling electors and state reps shit went wrong. Pence especially SEEN with his own fucking eyes the data being transmitted back and forth out of the united states.
He of all people knew for a fact, A FACT voter interference happened by an outside country.
You're describing a criminal investigation; as it is, criminal investigations are a function of the Executive Branch (specifically the Justice Department) and the man who was (until a very short time ago) in charge of the Justice Department said there was no evidence of fraud. As they can rightfully assume from Barr's words that due diligence has already been performed by the proper investigating authority--in a branch overseen by the President--then why would they feel obligated to duplicate effort.
What has been alleged is a massive conspiracy, unprecedented in scope and depth with (as you point out) no hard evidence, just circumstantial evidence and "buzz". As there is nothing concrete to disprove, it is thus impossible to disprove. So they're faced with either a choice: devote a massive amount of time and energy to prove a negative, or cut bait and take action on a concrete result: the electoral college voted on the 14th of December and said votes were filed in accordance with existing laws.