What is their argument? "It already happened" isn't an explanation. I know "covid" was their excuse for changing the rules, but what is their explanation for keeping those changes and letting them stand?
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What is their argument? "It already happened" isn't an explanation. I know "covid" was their excuse for changing the rules, but what is their explanation for keeping those changes and letting them stand?
Why? Because nobody stopped them.
It really is that simple.
People are looking far and wide for some specific and magical thing that they can hold up and say "AHA! This here is why it all went to shit!"
But it's just that no one stopped them when they broke the law.
Including us. Yes, we have institutions and people of position that are there to keep check, but they ALL failed and people just don't seem to realize that it now fell to us. We have a 2A but no one wanted to use it.
And I don't mean go mass murder. I mean stand toe to to with law enforcement with it on your person so you have it if they infringe on you while you DO try to stop the law breaking.
I cheered the people storming the capitol. I still think they had the right idea. Take back our country by any means necessary. I don't know why any of them didn't have gas masks prepared.
They weren't allowed to have a ton of that shit depending on which area. No backpacks. Nothing.
This is the country we live in now. Criminals (high and low) can break laws and get away with it, and GOOD people aren’t allowed to do anything about it. Period.
Who controls what people do? The group of people with the best weapons/resources who aren’t afraid to use those weapons and resources against other people.
Laws and papers and constitutions don’t REALLY matter unless people have some sort of fear of something/someone bigger.
Luckily for me, I only fear God.
Democrat Ben Shapiro here,
Although Pennsylvania broke its own constitution, that’s ok because... states’ rights.
(That’s seriously the argument. That states can have unconstitutional elections for federal candidates
I have heard exactly that excuse, and it is logically terrible in every form, who would buy that BS? But these are the same people who think men can turn into women, so...
I don’t think they even believe it.
Dems just say it because it works.
Cucks like Shapiro say it because they’re too afraid to fight back
I used to look up to Shapiro because of his debating skills. But he is a neocon never-Trumper who cares more about Israel than the U.S., despite Trump being the most pro-Israel president ever. Shapiro honestly disgusts me now.
I fucking hate his guts
I've just come back from my legislative session in Texas and we have decided that for the good of the country using the general welfare clause, we will get our own president, with blackjack and hookers.... states rights!
Well at this point there's no means to even challenge it. SCOTUS rejected Texas's suit that said this for "standing". If TX can't sue PA to enforce the Constitution in their election laws then who even can?
Act 77 was passed with help of RINOs too which allowed to excuse mail in voting. They were in on it even before covid. But towards the end Dems used the supreme court to change signature verification laws etc. Scotus cucked by not taking up the case.
Because they view the constitution as an outdated parchment that was authored by dead slave owners and they fucking knew they could defy it at every turn and nobody was going to stand in the way... And it worked! The ends literally justified the means and history will be written by the "winners"
I'd like to hear the Supreme Court give a reason, but they are too scared to rule.
They have no explanation because the only explanation is one they refuse to accept, that what was done was unconstitutional. But then again; they don’t give a fuck about constitutions.
Then it is time to stop giving a fuck about their "laws" as well.
Does it take certification of false elections for other states to have standing? I cant say for sure, but it does seem likely . I have to believe there was a plan. If there’s one one thing i’ve learned, its to never bet against Trump.
The "standing" argument was always an excuse so the Supreme Court could avoid it. The Texas case was brought about specifically because it literally has to be handled by the Supreme Court (state versus state obviously can't be decided in-state), and they still wouldn't take it.
Either we’re all ignorant of the constitution or it’s more political theater
Why not both?
It's fairly simple really; this was an argument that needed to happen before the election, before millions of people voted. The rules should have been corrected then. After the election... it's too late.
Maybe an argument could have been presented for re-running the election in that state, with the rules corrected. That would have ensured that the true victor took Pennsylvania. But that argument wasn't made. Instead, the "losing" side sought to have a bunch of ballots discarded, handing themselves the victory. And that argument was always going to be a non-starter.
I agree with you, except some actually tried to sue to stop the rule changes. The PA Supreme Court ruled they had no standing as injury had not already occurred.
Unfortunately the Republican party at the state and national level did not have Trump's back and didn't attempt to stop these changes at an opportune time. That's why Trump had to try to use his personal lawyers like Rudy and Jenna to correct this after the fact, but it was always gonna be an uphill battle.⁰
Yeah, I get the Catch 22.
At the end of the day, people looked at the rules which were in place. They made their decision on how to vote based on those rules. It would be absolutely wrong to discard a load of votes from real, voting Americans, after the fact. No question about that.
Questions of legitimacy come up here all the time. How can the 2020 result be respected if it can't be seen as legitimate? If there are unresolved questions of voter fraud? The result should reflect the will of the people. The same principle applies here; how can the result reflect the will of the people if the rules are changed after the fact? If otherwise legitimate votes are discarded?
100% wrong. It is not morally right to count non-valid votes, even if there intentions are good. Sorry, no. If you didn't follow the rules, you don't get to vote.
You are joking, right? The "losing" argument of throwing out ballots was not the main argument, the main argument was that the election could not be certified and should be handled following the constitutional procedures established already.
They just say covid. They don't care about things like the constitution nor letter of the law.
Duh, you’re racist
Why do you want to hear their argument? What good will that do? You think this battle is about good sound logical arguments? Hah, that's a joke.
Here's their argument: I wanted Trump to lose and he lost. I don't care how it happened.
Because “fuck you!”, that’s why.
We are officially a banana republic. Laws are only for us regular folk to follow. Politicians can do whatever they want. That was made clear to me after congress reconvened to certify fraudulent votes last night. I’ve always been aware of this fact, but these past years made me realize just how deep the problem really is.
They don’t have to have an explanation. They can (and will) do whatever they want, unless they are stopped.
We have to get over the “This is Unconstitional!” Argument. We have get over the “This is not intellectually consistent!” Argument.
People will do whatever they want to do unless they are stopped. We need to figure out how to stop them. Trump or no Trump, we have to figure out how to stop them.
I will always believe in the intellectual argument. But they don't, so I guess it is time for other means. It is very sad to me though. There will be absolutely no joy in doing what must be done.
They were helped by the feckless republicans.
Think about it. They all get paid off by lobbyists who want cheap foreign labor and chichink deals.
It’s always about the money.
And a little Fang Fang for their wang wangs.
Fuck you, we won. COVID is never going away.
You are certainly correct about covid. Now they have their magic free election fraud card, they will never give that up willingly. I just don't understand the appeal of a country shut down with everyone dying in their homes.
Destroying small business and the middle class allows consolidation of power and control into fewer entities. See how Amazon and Walmart are doing for example. It's also about removing the people's wealth so they will beg for socialism which will turn into communism.
The World Economic Forum has a bunch of videos about this plan.
I know the "how" and the "why" I just don't know what they say to themselves in their head to justify blatantly willfully violating the constitution they swore to uphold. I would feel bad if I cheated someone. People that don't either have a higher justification ("ends justify the means") or have anti-social personality disorder, a.k.a. sociopathy. I wouldn't rule out them all having both.
How long did it take you to look up that insult and translate it to your native gutter language to understand it?
Plausible deniability.
Now there is standing, bring the case to SCOTUS.