I know you're trying to be funny but I actually at first thought pede was short for pedophile as well when I first saw it used. I was confused. I wonder if Trump supporters realize the optics of that. Does kind of look weird to outsiders before they figure out it's short for Centipede.
How are elections fair if they're fraudulent? Have you actually looked into the evidence? And I don't mean read some article on CNN, but have you done a deep dive into the primary sources? The people posting the stats, the affidavits, the videos of people recounting the same stack of votes or counting without poll watchers? The executive changes to voting rules without the legislative assembly agreeing? The vast amounts of "errors" that were found after the fact that always went in Trump's favour. All the anomalies with people not legally allowed to vote who had votes counted for. The lack of proper signature verification on people who claimed to be in confinement due to covid-19 thus circumventing checks in place to minimize fraud (of which the courts ruled wasn't allowed). Did I mention literally all the statistical data that people with PhDs presented that pretty much all concluded there's no way there wasn't fraud? What about just the qualitative factors, you know how literally the way in which the election votes were counted is exactly how it's always done in Banana Republics whenever the leaders cheat? All the red flags were there. There's overwhelming evidence of fraud.
You are choosing to believe a narrative that is unjust because you are a revolutionary who see people on the right as your oppressors and you want to destroy our culture and traditions because you don't like them. You have no respect for the constitution when it doesn't benefit you and you seek to promote ideologies that oppress as as people and erode our heritage. You are not morally in the right here but you've changed you sense of morality so that you believe you are and it doesn't matter what the objective reality is, you simply want to win.
And you expect us to act somehow differently then the way we are? We have our way of life to defend.
Oh good, a leftist willing to converse. I hope you don't get banned, I enjoy the discussion.
The centipede is a a meme from 2016 that caught on. It has sentimental value to the group and many find it cute. I realize to market to others, it isn't necessarily ideal but the value system of the right is one in which people don't care about the perception of others because we're not trying to manipulate people through superficial optics.
I agree that the discussion on election fraud is pointless. I'm not like most Trump supporters in the sense that at this point I care about the truth of it all. The issues have gone past that.
It's quite sad how all your talking point are the same. Are you capable of formulating your own opinion using your own words with your own interpretations or do all of you just repeat what the collective group-think approved discourse is?
Trump is selfish. We all are. No need to exaggerate. There are very few actual good people in politics. Biden and Harris are both no angels either. If you're convinced Trump is evil and politicians like Harris, Biden, Hillary, Obama are actually good people who are not comparable to Trump then you've had the wool pulled over your eyes.
But there's a reason our perceptions are so different and it's not because we've been conned or you've been exposed to psy-ops propaganda or whatever, it's because our fundamental value systems differ. Your sense of morality is much different than my own. Trump better aligns with my sense of morality than these people and to you, Trump represents someone who's sense of morality didn't align with you but many on the Democrats do. Women like AOC and Omar are pure evil to me in my value system whereas perhaps you see them as good. Bernie to me is someone who's heart is in the right place, so not evil, but who is entirely misguided on what is actually good for society. Trump is kind of the opposite of that to me, I question Trump's sincerity always because he's a predator of a person. An alpha dog who may align with other alphas but he wants top dog position so one has to always be careful. I'm fine with that though and in fact think that's a good way to be. I do believe what Trump has done has been in the interest of the nation unlike what say Bernie would have wanted to do.
I do take slight offense about thinking everything in my whole life is a lie. I think I know what's going on better than Trump does (at a cultural/philosophical level not the behind the scenes stuff obviously). I don't let anyone on the right tell me what to think. I think for myself. Something people on the left often do is that you ignore my own experiences in life and my own feelings. I know your worldview and what you want to promote doesn't work for me. How do I know? Because I'm living in the nightmare you created already and I want out of it. I want to change course and I know which direction I need things to go in order to benefit me. At the end of the day, all I want to be is happy and the society you're shaping is not one I will ever be able to be happy in. You don't actually care though and you'll blame my lack of happiness on me instead of understanding how your way of life is causing harm to me.
I know truth but like all humans, we tend to have a bias in interpreting truth in a manner which benefits us. You do it as well. Sometimes the truth is never possible to truly know and we only take our best guesses at it. At the end of the day, truth matters less to me than the outcome a worldview provides me. Take Christianity for example. Perhaps we learn the truth that it was entirely fabricated by humans and God isn't real. Does that mean we should toss Christianity to the side? Or perhaps, the value in the religion itself. The morality it promotes, the submission to God and the worldview believing in it creates is a better outcome despite it being entirely a lie. I may opt to still cling onto Christianity then despite the truth were that possible. Living a life of misery but maintaining, well at least I know the truth isn't necessarily a good outcome for me. In the matrix, Cypher wanted to go back and have his memories wipes for a reason, because reality sucked.Truth in everything imo isn't inherently valuable what matters also is what the truth leads to.
You are correct that the winners will vilify the losers and teach about it in order to ensure the losers never rise up against the winners again. That's just what humans do. And yes, I will have to face the consequences of my chosen cognitive processes. I wish my processes were compatible with your own, I truly do. I used to be a big leftist myself but I could not find purpose, happiness or a sense of well-being with your value-system. It took me a long time to figure out exactly what the problem was but I did and unfortunately, I'm in no better a situation because you're in the process of destroying people with my value system and oppressing me such that I still can't get what I want out of life but at least I'm aligned with the value system that if dominant again, would give me what I'm looking for.
I'm Canadian btw. I thought I should mention that since you're European and here we are having a discussion as if we're Americans haha...
I understand there's much more to life than left or right but generally speaking for discussions the categories work enough to get the point across for what people mean if you're willing to interpret it fairly.
The reason I mention the talking points is because every person on the left I discuss with says exactly the same things you say, using the same words in almost the exact same order. My father is anti-Trump and says exactly what you say down to the very same word I almost thought you plagiarized him. That to me indicates it's not organic but rather manufactured but this is a minor point not worth expanding on at this point in the discussion.
You believe in objective morality then if you believe all our senses of morality are the same? I happen to believe in objective morality but not because I think morality is objective but rather because I think communities function better when everyone has relatively similar perceptions of morality. I suspect though that we're going to differ significantly I imagine on what we think is right and wrong. You will simply justify that you are right in everything and that where we disagree I am wrong because of xyz reason to justify your position of morality. That is the problem. You're convinced you're right and I'm convinced I'm right. I will find a way to justify my position as ready as yours and I won't budge no matter what you say because I've lived according to different sets of morality because and I do find certain sets simply do not work for me even if those are ultimately good and that is the truth and I am ultimately an evil person which we determine as objectively true, I am forced to do and be evil then because good doesn't actually work for me. Thus debating morality becomes pointless in trying to determine who is right and who is wrong.
Quick Summary:
I do not believe in egalitarianism. I believe people are in fact not equal and we should embrace this. Society should look to empower the strong not oppress the strong in order to unjustly elevate the weak be reallocating resources from the strong to the weak.
I do not believe in universal suffrage democracy. I do not believe each person's vote should count the same as another person's. I believe at most in a constitutional republic where voting restrictions are set in a manner the republic decides is likely to produce the best outcome for the republic and I do not believe universal suffrage is it.
I believe in a patriarchy. I believe men should have a dominant role in society while women should have a submissive role.
I believe the ideal family situation is one in which the man works while the woman does not.
I believe in two genders embodied by the traditional qualities of masculinity and femininity of which we should promote as archetypes for those respective genders to follow.
Justice is getting what you deserve and ultimately, no human deserves anything unless they earn it. One's existence does not and should not mean you get anything out of life. You should get out of life what you put into life and no one owes you anything.
The State should be limited. Taxes and regulations should be as limited as possible. Resource reallocation should be mostly illegal as it is unjust and essentially theft.
Non-voluntary welfare systems (ones funded by taxes) are unjust.
I believe in preserving traditions and cultures of a society not in diversity and multiculturalism
I do not believe immigration is a good thing, especially when birth rates of your domestic population are so low that a country is using immigration to grow its population.
I do not believe in an acceptance of sexual liberation and believe it is immoral. LGBTQ+ promotion is immoral.
I believe in nationalist economic policies that see that the benefits of the countries labour stay in that country and are not diverted to another country only to benefit the wealthiest capital owners who never repatriate the gains.
I believe the correct and moral course of action on something like covid-19 is literally the government doing absolutely nothing. I believe all government regulations over covid-19 are entirely immoral.
That should give you a basic idea of where I stand. Now understand that I never used to believe all of this. I used to be quite modern in my beliefs. More or less, the opposite. But I found I was living a lie that wasn't true to my true core beliefs at a far more natural and biological level. Further to that, I saw how negative society overall was in the relationships and interactions everyone engaged in. How romance died, how everyone become so entitled, unappreciative, lazy, materialistic, exploitative and seeing relationships as nothing more than transactions. IMO, it has been the embrace of the more recent modern values, especially those in the last 60-100 years all of which I mostly reject because I do not see them as progress but as actually the root cause of society's degradation.
The democrats represent my antithesis because their value system and philosophy implements structures or systems in place designed specifically to kill the values I hold onto. They are trying to destroy this value system because they see it as evil and wrong whereas I see their new system as evil and wrong. If you're aware of Nietzsche's master-slave morality, I would argue under that lens that White Men created a society of Master Morality that suited white men and the last 60-100 years has been the creation of a new slave morality system which is this new international sustainable wokeism aka leftist or whatever label you want to call it to undermine the master morality of white men. I happen to have a biological level be a master moralist and I tried embracing the slave morality but it just didn't work for me. I never felt I was being true to myself.
It stands for centipede you ignominious shit-stain. One should learn to make inquiry before stating accusation. Now go fuck right off, you Marxist cunt.
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Hmmmm
Centipedes
And "pedo" means "child"
BYE TROLL
I know you're trying to be funny but I actually at first thought pede was short for pedophile as well when I first saw it used. I was confused. I wonder if Trump supporters realize the optics of that. Does kind of look weird to outsiders before they figure out it's short for Centipede.
How are elections fair if they're fraudulent? Have you actually looked into the evidence? And I don't mean read some article on CNN, but have you done a deep dive into the primary sources? The people posting the stats, the affidavits, the videos of people recounting the same stack of votes or counting without poll watchers? The executive changes to voting rules without the legislative assembly agreeing? The vast amounts of "errors" that were found after the fact that always went in Trump's favour. All the anomalies with people not legally allowed to vote who had votes counted for. The lack of proper signature verification on people who claimed to be in confinement due to covid-19 thus circumventing checks in place to minimize fraud (of which the courts ruled wasn't allowed). Did I mention literally all the statistical data that people with PhDs presented that pretty much all concluded there's no way there wasn't fraud? What about just the qualitative factors, you know how literally the way in which the election votes were counted is exactly how it's always done in Banana Republics whenever the leaders cheat? All the red flags were there. There's overwhelming evidence of fraud.
You are choosing to believe a narrative that is unjust because you are a revolutionary who see people on the right as your oppressors and you want to destroy our culture and traditions because you don't like them. You have no respect for the constitution when it doesn't benefit you and you seek to promote ideologies that oppress as as people and erode our heritage. You are not morally in the right here but you've changed you sense of morality so that you believe you are and it doesn't matter what the objective reality is, you simply want to win.
And you expect us to act somehow differently then the way we are? We have our way of life to defend.
Oh good, a leftist willing to converse. I hope you don't get banned, I enjoy the discussion.
The centipede is a a meme from 2016 that caught on. It has sentimental value to the group and many find it cute. I realize to market to others, it isn't necessarily ideal but the value system of the right is one in which people don't care about the perception of others because we're not trying to manipulate people through superficial optics.
I agree that the discussion on election fraud is pointless. I'm not like most Trump supporters in the sense that at this point I care about the truth of it all. The issues have gone past that.
It's quite sad how all your talking point are the same. Are you capable of formulating your own opinion using your own words with your own interpretations or do all of you just repeat what the collective group-think approved discourse is?
Trump is selfish. We all are. No need to exaggerate. There are very few actual good people in politics. Biden and Harris are both no angels either. If you're convinced Trump is evil and politicians like Harris, Biden, Hillary, Obama are actually good people who are not comparable to Trump then you've had the wool pulled over your eyes.
But there's a reason our perceptions are so different and it's not because we've been conned or you've been exposed to psy-ops propaganda or whatever, it's because our fundamental value systems differ. Your sense of morality is much different than my own. Trump better aligns with my sense of morality than these people and to you, Trump represents someone who's sense of morality didn't align with you but many on the Democrats do. Women like AOC and Omar are pure evil to me in my value system whereas perhaps you see them as good. Bernie to me is someone who's heart is in the right place, so not evil, but who is entirely misguided on what is actually good for society. Trump is kind of the opposite of that to me, I question Trump's sincerity always because he's a predator of a person. An alpha dog who may align with other alphas but he wants top dog position so one has to always be careful. I'm fine with that though and in fact think that's a good way to be. I do believe what Trump has done has been in the interest of the nation unlike what say Bernie would have wanted to do.
I do take slight offense about thinking everything in my whole life is a lie. I think I know what's going on better than Trump does (at a cultural/philosophical level not the behind the scenes stuff obviously). I don't let anyone on the right tell me what to think. I think for myself. Something people on the left often do is that you ignore my own experiences in life and my own feelings. I know your worldview and what you want to promote doesn't work for me. How do I know? Because I'm living in the nightmare you created already and I want out of it. I want to change course and I know which direction I need things to go in order to benefit me. At the end of the day, all I want to be is happy and the society you're shaping is not one I will ever be able to be happy in. You don't actually care though and you'll blame my lack of happiness on me instead of understanding how your way of life is causing harm to me.
I know truth but like all humans, we tend to have a bias in interpreting truth in a manner which benefits us. You do it as well. Sometimes the truth is never possible to truly know and we only take our best guesses at it. At the end of the day, truth matters less to me than the outcome a worldview provides me. Take Christianity for example. Perhaps we learn the truth that it was entirely fabricated by humans and God isn't real. Does that mean we should toss Christianity to the side? Or perhaps, the value in the religion itself. The morality it promotes, the submission to God and the worldview believing in it creates is a better outcome despite it being entirely a lie. I may opt to still cling onto Christianity then despite the truth were that possible. Living a life of misery but maintaining, well at least I know the truth isn't necessarily a good outcome for me. In the matrix, Cypher wanted to go back and have his memories wipes for a reason, because reality sucked.Truth in everything imo isn't inherently valuable what matters also is what the truth leads to.
You are correct that the winners will vilify the losers and teach about it in order to ensure the losers never rise up against the winners again. That's just what humans do. And yes, I will have to face the consequences of my chosen cognitive processes. I wish my processes were compatible with your own, I truly do. I used to be a big leftist myself but I could not find purpose, happiness or a sense of well-being with your value-system. It took me a long time to figure out exactly what the problem was but I did and unfortunately, I'm in no better a situation because you're in the process of destroying people with my value system and oppressing me such that I still can't get what I want out of life but at least I'm aligned with the value system that if dominant again, would give me what I'm looking for.
I'm Canadian btw. I thought I should mention that since you're European and here we are having a discussion as if we're Americans haha...
I understand there's much more to life than left or right but generally speaking for discussions the categories work enough to get the point across for what people mean if you're willing to interpret it fairly.
The reason I mention the talking points is because every person on the left I discuss with says exactly the same things you say, using the same words in almost the exact same order. My father is anti-Trump and says exactly what you say down to the very same word I almost thought you plagiarized him. That to me indicates it's not organic but rather manufactured but this is a minor point not worth expanding on at this point in the discussion.
You believe in objective morality then if you believe all our senses of morality are the same? I happen to believe in objective morality but not because I think morality is objective but rather because I think communities function better when everyone has relatively similar perceptions of morality. I suspect though that we're going to differ significantly I imagine on what we think is right and wrong. You will simply justify that you are right in everything and that where we disagree I am wrong because of xyz reason to justify your position of morality. That is the problem. You're convinced you're right and I'm convinced I'm right. I will find a way to justify my position as ready as yours and I won't budge no matter what you say because I've lived according to different sets of morality because and I do find certain sets simply do not work for me even if those are ultimately good and that is the truth and I am ultimately an evil person which we determine as objectively true, I am forced to do and be evil then because good doesn't actually work for me. Thus debating morality becomes pointless in trying to determine who is right and who is wrong.
Quick Summary:
I do not believe in egalitarianism. I believe people are in fact not equal and we should embrace this. Society should look to empower the strong not oppress the strong in order to unjustly elevate the weak be reallocating resources from the strong to the weak.
I do not believe in universal suffrage democracy. I do not believe each person's vote should count the same as another person's. I believe at most in a constitutional republic where voting restrictions are set in a manner the republic decides is likely to produce the best outcome for the republic and I do not believe universal suffrage is it.
I believe in a patriarchy. I believe men should have a dominant role in society while women should have a submissive role.
I believe the ideal family situation is one in which the man works while the woman does not.
I believe in two genders embodied by the traditional qualities of masculinity and femininity of which we should promote as archetypes for those respective genders to follow.
Justice is getting what you deserve and ultimately, no human deserves anything unless they earn it. One's existence does not and should not mean you get anything out of life. You should get out of life what you put into life and no one owes you anything.
The State should be limited. Taxes and regulations should be as limited as possible. Resource reallocation should be mostly illegal as it is unjust and essentially theft.
Non-voluntary welfare systems (ones funded by taxes) are unjust.
I believe in preserving traditions and cultures of a society not in diversity and multiculturalism
I do not believe immigration is a good thing, especially when birth rates of your domestic population are so low that a country is using immigration to grow its population.
I do not believe in an acceptance of sexual liberation and believe it is immoral. LGBTQ+ promotion is immoral.
I believe in nationalist economic policies that see that the benefits of the countries labour stay in that country and are not diverted to another country only to benefit the wealthiest capital owners who never repatriate the gains.
I believe the correct and moral course of action on something like covid-19 is literally the government doing absolutely nothing. I believe all government regulations over covid-19 are entirely immoral.
That should give you a basic idea of where I stand. Now understand that I never used to believe all of this. I used to be quite modern in my beliefs. More or less, the opposite. But I found I was living a lie that wasn't true to my true core beliefs at a far more natural and biological level. Further to that, I saw how negative society overall was in the relationships and interactions everyone engaged in. How romance died, how everyone become so entitled, unappreciative, lazy, materialistic, exploitative and seeing relationships as nothing more than transactions. IMO, it has been the embrace of the more recent modern values, especially those in the last 60-100 years all of which I mostly reject because I do not see them as progress but as actually the root cause of society's degradation.
The democrats represent my antithesis because their value system and philosophy implements structures or systems in place designed specifically to kill the values I hold onto. They are trying to destroy this value system because they see it as evil and wrong whereas I see their new system as evil and wrong. If you're aware of Nietzsche's master-slave morality, I would argue under that lens that White Men created a society of Master Morality that suited white men and the last 60-100 years has been the creation of a new slave morality system which is this new international sustainable wokeism aka leftist or whatever label you want to call it to undermine the master morality of white men. I happen to have a biological level be a master moralist and I tried embracing the slave morality but it just didn't work for me. I never felt I was being true to myself.
centipedes
i kek'd. but it's short for centipede
When you don’t know something, best not to be a smug moron about it.
I’m just so astounded by your “variety of cognitive failure”.
It stands for centipede you ignominious shit-stain. One should learn to make inquiry before stating accusation. Now go fuck right off, you Marxist cunt.
I like the cut of your jib. I will share my ammo with you.
5/10 troll, not the worst but definitely mediocre. Better luck next time.
This again?