We are all pissed and unfocused right now. So I used that energy to think. The question I came up with is: What if those who enegaged in fraud knew there was a terrible price to pay for doing so?
What if they were sued civilly? What if the county was sued? What if the board of elections was sued? Class actions against states?
The idea is this: make the risk of doing this again not worth it. I would love to see those who engaged in this go to jail. If they were going to be arrested, that would have happened by now.
I understand a lot of people here want those involved to pay the iron price. However, what if we could go about this legally, and make them pay the gold price? What if they don't have the gold and they are ruined?
Just a thought, maybe its nothing. But if we can make it so those who count the votes are accountable, we could do a lot to make sure there's a cloud of doubt over the possibility of screwing with our elections again.
No standing..... the votes were certified.
The voters in the state have standing. Their votes are disenfranchised by illegal ones, even if the illegal ones are certified. I could be wrong, but i am curious.
Your plying in their sandbox!
See, thats the answer i was looking for. So in other words, the state with the most specific evidence with the most players named and actions taken with proof would be able to at least have the case heard?
So would one have to wait until another upcoming election to challenge the impropriety?
I get where you are coming from. I think they did the best they could laying out their case to the legislatures. I just don't think anyone could have seen how massive the fraud was going to be and how far they were willing to take it. Thus, trying to litigate that beforehand perhaps didn't seem like something that needed to be done.
I agree with you that now is the time to make sure that the election law is as clear as polished glass, including indefinite confinement and the like. This was done on a local level with a federal result.
The other part of this is making sure that the voter registries are clean before each election as well. No more "day of" registrations, no more backdating of registrations. Anyone who does registrations has to be identified and held acountable and so on.
You are right it would involve legislation, and in which case, it would involve the legislatures to draft it and pass it.
Problem being, in many if these states you have governors who are in on it, so they would veto. So how do we rectify the situation locally if, like Georgia, everything can be rigged with regard to elections?
Good point about the damages.
Yes bec the courts have helped so much at this point... smh
So every case will get thrown out? In every state? What about suing the individuals?
So the legal process always fails then i guess we just give up? Get violent because thats all we have? Maybe you're right, i don't know, IANAL.