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Because the government isn't interested in prosecuting Antifa. Proton Mail is not secure. It's secure enough for most business applications, but I guarantee if the FBI asks them for data on you they will get it.
Any server based application is not going to be able to give you a guarantee of security. Very easy for them to intercept any encryption key generated at the time of communication if they wanted to. Need something with no server that uses a pre-shared key you setup with the other person ahead of time.
For example, a message app that uses SMS, but you and the other person setup a preshared key ahead of time, very long, maybe 64 to 256 character key, to encrypt\decrypt the messages when sent\received. The message looks like gibberish to everyone except the sender and receiver. If the cell carrier tried to read your messages it would just be a bunch of random characters because they would never have had access the the encryption key.
I made a Proton mail account and opted out of the backup email part. I saved my password and did everything correctly and still couldn't get back in. I'll try again to recreate what happened and why but I'm not giving them a backup email address. 🤷🏻♂️
For what purpose? For protecting your communications from malicious actors in foreign countries? Maybe. For keeping your communications private from illegal government searches? Nope.
I wouldn't trust any app for the second purpose that I or someone I trust has read through the code to ensure there is no backdoor and no copies of the encryption key sent somewhere and stored.
I'm not really familiar with Signal or Proton Mail, but encryption as a service is kinda oxymoronic. The way to make encryption secure is to not have the service involved in the encryption in the first place. I guarantee that if the FBI went to Proton mail and said "we demand you search all email for certain keywords or phrases or from this address and give us the data" that they would get it.
For real, secure, encryption it doesn't matter what email you use. Use gmail, who cares. The encryption and decryption would take place on your phone and gmail sees gibberish random letters. You'd just need an app designed to encrypt and decrypt the messages with a pre-shared key you setup with the other person ahead of time. Since Google doesn't have your encryption key then they can't read your email. The government can come threaten to shutdown Google if they don't decrypt your email, but it will be impossible because they don't have the key. The only way to decrypt the email would be to obtain your phone or the other persons phone and open the app. No other way as long as you didnt write the key down and leave on your desk and they raid your house and find it.
I don't know of such an app, but it probably does exist because it wouldn't be hard to make. Just have to make sure you trust the person who wrote it. Would be easy for them to put in a backdoor that sends the key and your data somewhere.
Isn't that what a Diffie–Hellman key exchange takes care of?
There's an algorithm so we each generate a public and private key on our own devices. We each send each other our public keys, but our private keys remain a secret. Using the algorithm my public key and your private key generate the same code as your public key and my private key. Then we use that code to encrypt our communications.
If someone intercepts both of our public keys, but doesn't have either of our private keys, then they can't decode the messages.
Yes, you're right. After thinking about it some more it isn't really a problem with key generation, the problem is whether the platform you're using actually uses a secure key generation method without a backdoor. Very easy for them to put in some code to make a copy of the key for recovery in the event that government requested access to your data. If you trust that the app has implemented a secure key exchange without a backdoor that would be fine.
If you want to be absolutely sure the government couldn't decrypt the communication then I still think generating your own key is simpler and easier. I'm definitely not a security expert so maybe I'm wrong, but I still think if people really want to be able to communicate securely then someone just needs to write an open source app that provide an encryption\decryption app that sends the encrypted data over regular channels like SMS and email. Simple, secure, and easy to read through the code and verify no back door.
Also, when designing an app you can really only get 2 out 3 when it comes to ease of use, functionality, and security. If you want to design something that is extremely secure with lots of functionality, then it will likely not be very easy to use. Stick with something simple and secure, easy as possible for non-tech people to use.
I've been sketched out by Snowden since he said he looked for the files on aliens and didn't find anything, so the government hasn't been contacted by extraterrestrials and isn't hiding them from us. I don't know if there are aliens at Area 51 or not, but I don't think 29-year-old analysts have access to every single secret held by the US government, and it's bizarre that he thinks that he would.
“Everybody wants to believe in conspiracy theories because it helps life make sense,” he told Rogan. “It helps us believe that somebody is in control, that somebody is calling the shots.”
What a weird fucking thing for him to say, considering that the programs he revealed would have been called "conspiracy theories" right up until he released the documents. There is something queer about this whole Snowden situation.
Did you watch Snowden's interview with Rogan? He was in charge of consolidating information access between agencies. He makes it sound like he had meta access to just about everything. He was the intranet IT guy.
He was a CIA spook trying to shit on their rival the NSA. He's controlled opposition who gave us plebs some crumbs of information, while fully ignoring the mountain of criminality going on at the cia.
he was saying regardless of what you think about Trump that FB feels justified being able to censor a president. I don't think he was in favor of that type of corporate control
There is a theory he is a blackhat and the NSA leaks were to help the corrupt swamp get away with their crimes rather than helping us. I'm not sure I buy that, but I'm not going to write it off either.
Ah those bored days in the Army. Soldiers with nothing better to do will always find entertainment. When I was in we started a fight club. Really, just like the movie.
Good info, not influencer endorsements. I have no beef with Elon, but we're not talking about endorsements of a meal-tracking app, these are communication apps that one would be using to text "wrong-speak" or any other type of communication that will one day be used against you if the app is compromised.
Good to see you being critical, though. I wouldn't trust this with any confidential communications. But I believe that it will probably stay up for me to communicate with buds even if I get banned from other platforms.
Elon was always based right? I remember him saying that smart people should have more children. I can't imagine any democrats saying that intelligence is genetic.
I went to the cheapest local college I could find, and worked my way through. I now boss around people with fluffy degrees from every imaginable prestige school. It's not what you make that counts, it's about what you do with what you make.
he just said its good for building a work ethic ('doing chores'), which i agree. if you already have knowledge/skill and work ethic, then college is pretty useless.
He finished his degree in Physics, got accepted to PhD, but never finished it. But yeah he did mention how inefficient the current education system is and started a private school for his kids and other employees'.
1st year is wasted doing highschool 2.0 courses and bullshit indoctrination classes, 2nd year you finally start your degree courses and even more indoctrination classes, afterwards its shit hits the fan no time to take shit or sleep courses.
most degrees are complete trash subprime participation awards. they take out more in loans than they will ever make back.
the bulk of remaining degrees simply don't need to be as long as they are. the bulk of classes before medical school or law school are useless, and many of the classes once you get there are meaningless. all these programs are supposed to do is teach you the basics and HOW to learn medicine or law. most countries don't go through this nonsense. it's a pure racket that only losers fall for.
encryption is encryption - can be used by both left and right
its open source - ANYONE can check their source code
there were errors in their code - it was found and corrected
Sort of. It works in general, but almost all phones can be remotely hacked by the government. What this means is that your signal text messages will be encrypted end-to-end, where they can't sweep up your discussions en masse and search through it later.
But, if you were a person of interest, they can definitely target you and pull your phone actions before it was encrypted for transfer.
If you were really paranoid, there are open source phones that you can get where everything is open source except for a few drivers (for bt, wifi), and they tend to have physical switches to those components to cut power.
From u/stalwart: “ Protonmail was used by Edward Snowden when leaking info about the US government and not only could the NSA not hack into it, but the company didn't turn over any information to the feds because they set-up their site to not capture any user data. That's about as solid a record as you could have.
All emails are encrypted (on your side at least, unless you're emailing someone else on protonmail) with a key that is larger in size than the data it is encrypting. This makes it mathematically impossible to separate the encrypted data from the key that's encrypting it. Just remember to use good OPSEC and don't make it easy to find your login credentials!”
Snowden recommend it. Problem is the NSA can tap into your phone and just monitor key strokes, but AFAIK that’s only for people of interest... but we’re all talking on this website so, yea.
point taken. Still, I would think an organization that prides itself of encryption and security wouldn't stick Dorsey on its home page. Seems counter productive to me.
It helps to be funded by billionaire Globalists and be organized by the elite who have been planning this for a very long time. Soy boys didn't plan shit, they're just following orders
Why should all of us worthless sacks of shit who never do anything except beg Trump or some mysterious Anon for a plan that we don't even understand win? There's nothing American about that.
Yes crypto is bad. Single government, single world currency, globalists LOVE btc.
Just get the microchip in you that mines bitcoin and links to your bank account. If you’re a good boy and get your vaccine, that’s 0.000001 btc for you.
That's why you set-up legit social media accounts and just don't put more than the most basic information on them and keep your activity very low. Make yourself easy to find, but make it much harder to find your real activity.
Speaking of which, is there an easy way to nuke an account on here? I like ditching and remaking accounts but it'd be better if I could easily just delete everything before I ditch.
Edit: Yes, it's in the delete options. Good foresight, admins.
I don't want to bother with getting a burner phone just to use a "secure" app because the first thing it does is invade my privacy.
only use it on the road
I would say never use it while moving, and try to only use it from one location, to avoid leaving any geo-map signature at all, if you want to be hardcore, or even set up the phone as a proxy to a short-wave radio or something.
Sorry for being confusing, I was trying to reinforce the idea that you need to be paying for email (such as proton mail). I've been using them for years and forgot they even had a free option.
Yeah protonmail is great - if you even so much as change your password, the encryption keys are reset so not even YOU can view your old emails at that point.
Protonmail was used by Edward Snowden when leaking info about the US government and not only could the NSA not hack into it, but the company didn't turn over any information to the feds because they set-up their site to not capture any user data. That's about as solid a record as you could have.
All emails are encrypted (on your side at least, unless you're emailing someone else on protonmail) with a key that is larger in size than the data it is encrypting. This makes it mathematically impossible to separate the encrypted data from the key that's encrypting it. Just remember to use good OPSEC and don't make it easy to find your login credentials!
I use signal to talk to my army buddies because it's free and encrypted, hands down the best option. But make no mistake, these apps are only as secure as the device they are used on, and the NSA has access to every single electronic device connected to the internet, the Snowden documents prove that and those documents were a decade old, the access they have now is probably mind-blowing.
It is more that the hardware is/can be compromised, the ANT catalog was from 2008. The hard reality is that it doesn't matter how 'secure' signal is when your keystrokes, camera, mic, and everything your screen sees is not. Snowdens release is what made me give up on really any serious encryption.
My friend's dad is super genius and paranoid of internet.. and he built a peer to peer with major genius level encryption. But it's just sitting with him. How do you distribute. Someone would need to be the host peer.. then all of us join in I guess.
The idea is that you give a copy of your communication software to someone you want to communicate with, doing a key exchange using an airgapped linux box and a disk burner. Destroy the disk, then you hope your connected device and their connected device is not compromised. Soon you find out they are ALL compromised in one way or another and the problem is exceedingly hard to solve. On top of that, someone could be shoving needles into his ball sack getting him to unlock his laptop/phone/whatever, meaning your friend himself is compromised.
However what you are definitely not going to do is have any server where you can let groups of arbitrary people join hoping they are cool to smoke with. Nobody smart will trust that. Might as well just post your coded message on a forum.
Finally if your friend's dad's project isn't open source nobody will trust it on a fundamental level. inb4 it's a new custom encryption nobody knows about and he can't give out the secret. That means to me that nobody SHOULD trust it.
You may wanna go back about 6-7 years and look into their ownership history, founders, network, architecture, etc up until today and see if it really is any better than facebook messenger
tldr => it is not encryption we are lacking, but data transfer network, to be secure from islamoleftist traitors.
The problem is not the encryption. It is a well known mathematical fact that creating an encryption that nobody can break, is a trivial thing. Use a fucking arbitrarily long sequence of bits for XORing all the data and only the person with the key can ever open it. And the funny thing is that such encryption method can generate all possible messages of the same length if you try decrypting by using all possible combinations, i.e. the snooper cannot even tell if they have been successful in a cracking attempt or they have failed so even if they got a super computer the size of the fucking milkey way, they cannot use brute force on it.
The problem lies in other things, like message routing, key exchange, keeping the key secure etc. it does not matter what encryption you use, how will you keep the key safe and exchange it safely over long distance (this only has to be done one time though)?
All data is passed through servers that are controlled by "them". The second they identify a geographical location or a device where people are committing wrong think or committing the crime of nationalism, they can fucking just block the transfer.
Encryption part is trivial. It is the need for a data transfer network that is not "star shaped". What you need is an infrastructure, where you can defeat the islamoleftist traitors by being able to route your messages in ways, that monitoring all possible routing paths becomes impossible due to exponential time complexity.
I would suggest using something IRC style, if in case you truly want to fly under the radar (plain IRC won't do though, its architecture would have to be boosted)
same thing ... as I said, you need the central server to be able to route your messages. you can send an encrypted message which then they forward, or you can query them only for routing specs, the architecture ultimately remains the same "star". Nodes cannot communicate with each other unless they first go through the central server.
If I send you a Signal message, my phone contacts signal to get a route (meaning an IP) where your phone is
Instead of contacting signal to get this route, to have a distributed collection of machines, that will provide you this information.
Signal scenario:
endpoint 1 does not know IP of endpoint 2, so it asks signal server, the only server which has this information. If it comes to a situation that signal server thinks your claim for election fraud is "baseless and Joe Biden is president elect", it decides to not return you IP for any queries you fire at it. You are blocked, because all routing is controlled by the central server.
Relay scenario:
any interested person sets up a "relay server", containing a subset (small) of whatever IP addresses it knows. Any endpoint, when it wishes to send or receive message, it registers with some (atleast 1) "relay server". When endpoint 1 wants to send message to endpoint 2, it asks the relay server for the IP. If the relay server knows it, it will return the IP, if not, it will know of whatever relay servers it knows of, to find out who knows the IP. This query crawls the "relay server" network and finds the IP of endpoint 2. It is cached and returned to the endpoint 1.
Now if the relay server you connect to, or register your IP with, thinks that your claims of fake news is "dangerous rhetoric" and blocks you off, you just register to a different "relay server". Not just this you are free to put up your own relay servers whenever you want.
This would solve the problem of a single reptile eyed robotic CEO of social media blocking your entire outreach.
The other problem is of anonymity.
Along with returning the IP address of end point 2, the structure can be enhanced so that it not just returns the IP address, but also relays the message through the same path it found the IP address recursively encrypting and decrypting it at each hop. This will give you a strong anonymity.
The 1st scenario, I understand, is what IRC (Internet Relay Chat) did.
The 2nd scenario, I understand, is what TOR does.
We combine the two and we get a medium for social media / data sharing, that neither can be brought down by the whim of one single person, nor the data pathway be easily traced or tracked. It can be, but it will take as much effort as it does in case of TOR.
None of this is new. it is a combination of routing and encryption principles, but the current architecture of software / apps is not built this way. They are built using the most basic "star topology" (endpoing 1 has to get the IP of endpoint 2 by going to servers controlled by a single authority)
IRC style means that you create a relay kind of structure. "they" control the communications in big part because all communication has to first be sent to their server and then they route it to the destination. In IRC style architecture, you can start creating your own "routers".
Think about it. Why can twitter and facebook ban Trump's account? It is because all facebook and twitter accounts have to go to the facebook / twitter server to connect to your contacts. You cannot communicate with your contact directly. This allows facebook and twitter to analyze your communication graph and to shut you down.
In IRC style, communication between peers is not dependent upon such a central server for routing. "IRC routers" would contain routing information between peers, and even if one router were to be brought down, you could always relay the message via other routers, thus making it impossible to shut down accounts like facebook and twitter does.
You are not wrong, but the problem I mentioned still stands. All your message would be routed by the servers that are owned by "them" and they can choose to shut you out whenever they want. Even if they are not able to read your message, they can shut you down at their whim.
NSA has a mega complex in Utah. No doubt they could eventually get through any of this. However, if they were to go after me, all they'd find is a bunch of dick pics.
We should make our own Signal. With Rebel Flags! And Freedom!
Now that it's been shouted out, I doubt the Lefites in control won't start implementing combing methods to isolate traffic they want to find, if possible.
Open source does not negate security. In fact I would trust open source much more than closed source. This is my industry and many, probably even most of the tools I use every single day are open source.
The code doesn't provide security by be hidden, the encryption keys provide security. Open source code lets you see that the keys are being properly used. How would you know the app isn't stealing your keys if the code is not open sourced?
Now let me tell you just a little bit about those encryption keys and asymmetric cryptography.
You have two keys: a private key and a public key. The public key is derived from the private key BUT the private key cannot be derived from the public key. You freely share your public key. You never share your private key.
Every user has a private key and public key (call it a key pair).
Now if you want to send me a message you have access to the following three keys: Your own private key, your own public key, and my public key. Similarly when I receive your message I will have access to three keys: my private key, my public key but only your public key.
Asymmetric cryptography uses these keys in such a way that (1) you can trust only I will be able to read your message and (2) I can trust that only you could have sent that message. Thus we achieved privacy and authenticity: Nobody read the message who wasn't allowed to read it and nobody faked the message.
I like the idea of using signal but I thought its encryption was hacked recently? Is there another option pedes can recommend that hasn’t been cracked?
Signal: Cellebrite claimed to have cracked chat app's encryption
Maybe they can produce a virus to extract and log chat with screen grabbing and key logging. It wouldn't matter which encryption scheme you use if someone can look over your shoulder. That doesn't somehow recover previous messages if you have since wiped them.
The Disappearing Messages setting is very easy to turn on.
There has long been buzz that Snowden is just another limited hangout. Lately there has more push that he's actually a CIA asset part of the interagency feud with the NSA.
Obviously, form your own opinion but I don't think it's as cut and dry as "just trust everything he does and says".
Get your email over to Protonmail.com It's the first step. US companies are not your frens right now. Next step is moving to open source on your desktop and your mobile devices. It's not an easy transition but we must evolve immediately before the real tyranny and censorship take hold. Find a reputable VPN and use it only with that proton mail addy and transition as time allows. Ditch your large corporate bank for a local credit union before social credit score becomes unavoidable. It's not too late. Spread the word amongst frens and family.
Dude you have nearly 200 billion dollars. You could buy reddit with your pocket lint and give it back to patriots if you want a space for organizing a revolution.
Did we forget about Vault 7 already? Signal is compromised.
A similar unit targets Google's Android which is used to run the majority of the world's smart phones (~85%) including Samsung, HTC and Sony. 1.15 billion Android powered phones were sold last year. "Year Zero" shows that as of 2016 the CIA had 24 "weaponized" Android "zero days" which it has developed itself and obtained from GCHQ, NSA and cyber arms contractors.
These techniques permit the CIA to bypass the encryption of WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Wiebo, Confide and Cloackman by hacking the "smart" phones that they run on and collecting audio and message traffic before encryption is applied
I went to Signal's website and the first thing I saw was a testimonial by Twitter dipshit Jack Dorsey praising it, so, no thanks.
commies didnt want Drumpht to look at what they were doing. Still is a great tool to use. Beats facebook messenger, or text or gmail...
This.
The enemy is not stupid. They use very good tools to protect their identities.
A good example would be just because my enemy uses desert-pattern camo, does not mean that I also shouldn't use desert-pattern camo.
Exactly. If it works to hide commies it works to hide patriots.
Same for proton mail
Help! Are you saying it's not secure? Trying to divorce the G
Proton mail is secure. Antifa uses it, and that’s how it relates to the thread
Because the government isn't interested in prosecuting Antifa. Proton Mail is not secure. It's secure enough for most business applications, but I guarantee if the FBI asks them for data on you they will get it.
Possibly but it’s servers are based in Switzerland.
Any server based application is not going to be able to give you a guarantee of security. Very easy for them to intercept any encryption key generated at the time of communication if they wanted to. Need something with no server that uses a pre-shared key you setup with the other person ahead of time.
For example, a message app that uses SMS, but you and the other person setup a preshared key ahead of time, very long, maybe 64 to 256 character key, to encrypt\decrypt the messages when sent\received. The message looks like gibberish to everyone except the sender and receiver. If the cell carrier tried to read your messages it would just be a bunch of random characters because they would never have had access the the encryption key.
Pede who sounds like they know what they are talking about:
(1) Signal - Yea or Nay (2) Proton Mail - Yea or Nay
If not, then what?
I made a Proton mail account and opted out of the backup email part. I saved my password and did everything correctly and still couldn't get back in. I'll try again to recreate what happened and why but I'm not giving them a backup email address. 🤷🏻♂️
For what purpose? For protecting your communications from malicious actors in foreign countries? Maybe. For keeping your communications private from illegal government searches? Nope.
I wouldn't trust any app for the second purpose that I or someone I trust has read through the code to ensure there is no backdoor and no copies of the encryption key sent somewhere and stored.
I'm not really familiar with Signal or Proton Mail, but encryption as a service is kinda oxymoronic. The way to make encryption secure is to not have the service involved in the encryption in the first place. I guarantee that if the FBI went to Proton mail and said "we demand you search all email for certain keywords or phrases or from this address and give us the data" that they would get it.
For real, secure, encryption it doesn't matter what email you use. Use gmail, who cares. The encryption and decryption would take place on your phone and gmail sees gibberish random letters. You'd just need an app designed to encrypt and decrypt the messages with a pre-shared key you setup with the other person ahead of time. Since Google doesn't have your encryption key then they can't read your email. The government can come threaten to shutdown Google if they don't decrypt your email, but it will be impossible because they don't have the key. The only way to decrypt the email would be to obtain your phone or the other persons phone and open the app. No other way as long as you didnt write the key down and leave on your desk and they raid your house and find it.
I don't know of such an app, but it probably does exist because it wouldn't be hard to make. Just have to make sure you trust the person who wrote it. Would be easy for them to put in a backdoor that sends the key and your data somewhere.
Isn't that what a Diffie–Hellman key exchange takes care of?
There's an algorithm so we each generate a public and private key on our own devices. We each send each other our public keys, but our private keys remain a secret. Using the algorithm my public key and your private key generate the same code as your public key and my private key. Then we use that code to encrypt our communications.
If someone intercepts both of our public keys, but doesn't have either of our private keys, then they can't decode the messages.
Yes, you're right. After thinking about it some more it isn't really a problem with key generation, the problem is whether the platform you're using actually uses a secure key generation method without a backdoor. Very easy for them to put in some code to make a copy of the key for recovery in the event that government requested access to your data. If you trust that the app has implemented a secure key exchange without a backdoor that would be fine.
If you want to be absolutely sure the government couldn't decrypt the communication then I still think generating your own key is simpler and easier. I'm definitely not a security expert so maybe I'm wrong, but I still think if people really want to be able to communicate securely then someone just needs to write an open source app that provide an encryption\decryption app that sends the encrypted data over regular channels like SMS and email. Simple, secure, and easy to read through the code and verify no back door.
Also, when designing an app you can really only get 2 out 3 when it comes to ease of use, functionality, and security. If you want to design something that is extremely secure with lots of functionality, then it will likely not be very easy to use. Stick with something simple and secure, easy as possible for non-tech people to use.
Also good for those risky porn sites
Proton is an NSA honeypot
Alternative?
PGP or bust
Back when some people were calling for mask laws because of Antifa, I made a similar argument. We might need them ourselves.
Most states already had anti-mask laws stemming from the 1920s due to the second iteration of the KKK, D politicians just chose not to enforce them.
Well said
nsa has access to everything
did snowden teaxh us nothing?
Snowden has endorsed signal.
At this stage, even your shadow could be a traitor
Maybe the future is just people all backstabbing and robbing each other forever while getting rich as fuck, on Mars
You should watch The Expanse.
I've been sketched out by Snowden since he said he looked for the files on aliens and didn't find anything, so the government hasn't been contacted by extraterrestrials and isn't hiding them from us. I don't know if there are aliens at Area 51 or not, but I don't think 29-year-old analysts have access to every single secret held by the US government, and it's bizarre that he thinks that he would.
“Everybody wants to believe in conspiracy theories because it helps life make sense,” he told Rogan. “It helps us believe that somebody is in control, that somebody is calling the shots.”
What a weird fucking thing for him to say, considering that the programs he revealed would have been called "conspiracy theories" right up until he released the documents. There is something queer about this whole Snowden situation.
Did you watch Snowden's interview with Rogan? He was in charge of consolidating information access between agencies. He makes it sound like he had meta access to just about everything. He was the intranet IT guy.
That would be antithetical to the concept of compartmentalization.
He was a CIA spook trying to shit on their rival the NSA. He's controlled opposition who gave us plebs some crumbs of information, while fully ignoring the mountain of criminality going on at the cia.
I don't like the way snowden speaks AT ALL. It feels fake as fuck to me.
He used to work for the Clowns In Action, never trusted him.
snowden is a traitor
he said today for better or for worse about facebook censoring potus
snowden is not a white hat
he was saying regardless of what you think about Trump that FB feels justified being able to censor a president. I don't think he was in favor of that type of corporate control
Maybe.
Maybe the fallout from this action is less than the alternative.
he said for better or for worse
he is a shit stain
He wants to keep going on Toe Rogan
I did not say use it because snowden endorsed it. I responded to someone saying we should learn from Snowden that he endorsed it. I wasn't wrong.
There is a theory he is a blackhat and the NSA leaks were to help the corrupt swamp get away with their crimes rather than helping us. I'm not sure I buy that, but I'm not going to write it off either.
yeah that’s the theory i am talking about
mike rogers the same nsa chief who warned trump they were wiretapped was chief then too
snowden was trying to neuter nsa because of who was on top
NSA hates signal. I speak from personal experience.
My father is in cybersecurity and he uses signal. He says that open source apps are better.
i like wire voip app
Signal, Mega, Keybase, Crypto, Odysee, IPFS, Storj
I've seen Jack Dorsey drink water and consume food. No thanks to that shit.
Dihydrogen monoxide will kill us all.
Breathing it for just a few seconds can kill you!
Nah man that's waterboarding. You'd be fine.
Ah those bored days in the Army. Soldiers with nothing better to do will always find entertainment. When I was in we started a fight club. Really, just like the movie.
Started a what!? Boy! You just broke the cardinal rule.
I hear it's also used to make biological and chemical weapons, and also used with animal testing.
Every single COVID victim had it in their body. Little known fact.
DHMO must be the commonality for Covid then, right?
It killed me and I only voted for Joe 462,000 times.
Every single person who consumes Dihydrogen Monoxide in their life will die
Hitler had dogs.
WHAT!
AllDogsAreNazis!!
... stop quoting the cat....
But a Nazi did something once!
The original "some people did something"
And was vegan.
And he got the trains to run on time. You gotta give him that.
Me too.... Hmmmmmm
Hitler was not all bad.
Wtf I hate food and water now.
First laugh I had in hours, thanks bro
Beat me to it. Saved me the typing.
Classic right wing methodoloy:
"This is useful, but I once saw someone use it that I don't like so ehhhhh just give them the democracy"
Keep up morale and stfu if that's all you have to add. You didn't even offer an alternative program.
Would you take an app recommendation from Pence right now? There's legitimate hesitation to use anything pushed by those in power right now.
If it’s a good app, sure. Doesn’t matter how I get the info if it’s good info
Good info, not influencer endorsements. I have no beef with Elon, but we're not talking about endorsements of a meal-tracking app, these are communication apps that one would be using to text "wrong-speak" or any other type of communication that will one day be used against you if the app is compromised.
WRONG.
Patriots think that Leftists are people with bad ideas. Leftists think Patriots are bad people with ideas.
The other classic:
Empty feel good words fit for a facebook feed.
Sorry you're not able(willing?) to separate your ideology to see others that disagree with it as a human being.
That said, I don't hate you, simply because of that.
Not OP but not all humans deserve to be treated with humanity.
There is no secure way to communicate online. If you believe there is, you are a fool.
pgp
No, but at least one can't be arbitrarily blocked due to politics.
Obviously there is no way to vote securely using digital technology.
Yea, he’s beginning to sound like a Leftist
But it's peer to peer.. so no central server.
we can't be sure of that
It's open source. It would be possible to examine all the code and see that everything's on the up and up.
Still being sent over the internet.
Someone start breeding carrier pigeons
Ravens
Keep all doors open until you need to close them.
Good to see you being critical, though. I wouldn't trust this with any confidential communications. But I believe that it will probably stay up for me to communicate with buds even if I get banned from other platforms.
Elon was always based right? I remember him saying that smart people should have more children. I can't imagine any democrats saying that intelligence is genetic.
US colleges are objective failures at their job, and exist only to extort future americans into debt slavery.
I went to the cheapest local college I could find, and worked my way through. I now boss around people with fluffy degrees from every imaginable prestige school. It's not what you make that counts, it's about what you do with what you make.
Hopefully they give you standing.
All colleges in the civilized world are compromised and serve to indoctrinate into communism and globalism
he just said its good for building a work ethic ('doing chores'), which i agree. if you already have knowledge/skill and work ethic, then college is pretty useless.
He finished his degree in Physics, got accepted to PhD, but never finished it. But yeah he did mention how inefficient the current education system is and started a private school for his kids and other employees'.
1st year is wasted doing highschool 2.0 courses and bullshit indoctrination classes, 2nd year you finally start your degree courses and even more indoctrination classes, afterwards its shit hits the fan no time to take shit or sleep courses.
Man it sucked
he wasn't wrong.
most degrees are complete trash subprime participation awards. they take out more in loans than they will ever make back.
the bulk of remaining degrees simply don't need to be as long as they are. the bulk of classes before medical school or law school are useless, and many of the classes once you get there are meaningless. all these programs are supposed to do is teach you the basics and HOW to learn medicine or law. most countries don't go through this nonsense. it's a pure racket that only losers fall for.
he did go to college lol
Don't we all.
And tunnels and flamethrowers and...
Elon is basically the world's most successfully ten year old. lol
FTFY
Elon and IronMan have never been seen in the same room - just sayin'
Robert Downey Jr. is NOT my iron man.
Yeah, he once said he is fiscally conservative but socially liberal and that is the exact definition of Libertarianism.
Hence the scramble for phony degrees
I think he is based. The problem with tech companies is that they get so huge and prestigious it attracts the worst kinds of people.
Power attracts the mafia, and I'm not talking about the Italian mafia. I'm talking about how Epstein didn't kill himself.
You can say it. The Jewish mafia.
ah a based pede, our opinions aren't always welcome in this site, yet.
Well he for sure follows his own advice there...
Not sure how much I trust an app that has a giant endorsement by Jack Dorsey on its home page...
He endorses it because it's the primary tool of Antifa for comms
encryption is encryption - can be used by both left and right
its open source - ANYONE can check their source code
there were errors in their code - it was found and corrected
Sort of. It works in general, but almost all phones can be remotely hacked by the government. What this means is that your signal text messages will be encrypted end-to-end, where they can't sweep up your discussions en masse and search through it later.
But, if you were a person of interest, they can definitely target you and pull your phone actions before it was encrypted for transfer.
If you were really paranoid, there are open source phones that you can get where everything is open source except for a few drivers (for bt, wifi), and they tend to have physical switches to those components to cut power.
Expensive as fuck, sadly. I guess you could think of it in part as a donation to the cause, but I’m not savvy enough to properly utilize it.
If your friend on the other end can see the encrypted message, so can the nsa.
i guess we're just down to handwritten notes, typewriters and steganography/security-by-obscurity then........
what do you recommend?
One-time pads are unbreakable but there's no messaging app based on that technology. Use Signal and it will likely make mass surveillance difficult.
security by obscurity then - okay...
And Moxie marlinspike, Co-founder/ceo is NOT based.
well in this case i would say it does not / cannot (?) leak into their product, and they cannot ban anyone based on identity.
I guess my issue is, I am not as technically savvy as others. So this app is saying it's encrypted, but is it truly?? And how would we know?
I am just not so quick to trust. Wish I had more knowledge about this stuff.
From u/stalwart: “ Protonmail was used by Edward Snowden when leaking info about the US government and not only could the NSA not hack into it, but the company didn't turn over any information to the feds because they set-up their site to not capture any user data. That's about as solid a record as you could have. All emails are encrypted (on your side at least, unless you're emailing someone else on protonmail) with a key that is larger in size than the data it is encrypting. This makes it mathematically impossible to separate the encrypted data from the key that's encrypting it. Just remember to use good OPSEC and don't make it easy to find your login credentials!”
Thank you for all the information and the tips!!
Snowden recommend it. Problem is the NSA can tap into your phone and just monitor key strokes, but AFAIK that’s only for people of interest... but we’re all talking on this website so, yea.
This is good to know!! I mean, chances are it's better than what I'm using now, so why not! 🤷♀️
O hai thar millipedes, why not use this app in particular to "organise a revolution" and its endorsed by tech giants.
Why are you on a computer? Apple, microsoft, and google are all cucked. Oh, and so is the LINUX kernel community. What OS you using?
Fisher Price bespoke.
kek
Love that shit.
The only right answer is TempleOS
does have some bopping toons though!
maybe Jack Dorsey is the way that he is because of censorship
South Africa.
Moving his company to the most likely state to secede from the People's Republic of America was a clue to me that he's got some foresight.
I hope he makes some good use of boring machines in retaking the country...
Keep in mind that he also wants to go to Mars in the next decades.
sadly a rock broke its window. Needs to be reinforced.
Only works if both parties use it. Just saying
point taken. Still, I would think an organization that prides itself of encryption and security wouldn't stick Dorsey on its home page. Seems counter productive to me.
I know for a fact signal works. At least for keeping your communications off cell phone providers
I'm not questioning its efficacy, merely the optics. Having Dorsey on the front page is like having an endorsement from James Clapper.....
he also supports bitcoin does that mean crypto is bad ?
These people have run circles around us in every way and we're still pretending like copying some of their tactics isn't the way to go.
Anyone who even remotely mentions "optics" or "don't be like the left" is a pussified traitor and needs to be shamed out. Real patriots only.
I've been watching Antifa and BLM telegram chats the last couple of weeks...
They are 1,000 time more organized than we are. They constantly have people on the ground everywhere and are communicating constantly and locally.
It helps to be funded by billionaire Globalists and be organized by the elite who have been planning this for a very long time. Soy boys didn't plan shit, they're just following orders
They deserve to win.
Why should all of us worthless sacks of shit who never do anything except beg Trump or some mysterious Anon for a plan that we don't even understand win? There's nothing American about that.
MAGA has to work harder or admit defeat.
Yes crypto is bad. Single government, single world currency, globalists LOVE btc.
Just get the microchip in you that mines bitcoin and links to your bank account. If you’re a good boy and get your vaccine, that’s 0.000001 btc for you.
So what. Is your screwdriver a pleasant color?
Okay dude. Stay frosty.
I will, thanks
Who created the keyboard app on your cell phone. Anything you do on your cell phone in insecure.
I just said it keeps calls and txts from being logged by your carrier. I didn't say 'secure'
Firewall the keyboard app then.
Also super convenient because it has a desktop app, too. You don’t need a phone to text.
You can also use it over wi fi even on a phone with no service
true
You should all be anonymous online. Signal. Protonmail. Tor. VPN. Face accounts everywhere. Don't set yourself up for persecution. Get off the grid.
I believe he means fake accounts to send persecuters the wrong way.
Make a face account too...just to be safe.
Make a book of faces, perhaps.
I don't disagree in principle, just note that lack of a digital footprint is also a signal that you will broadcast.
That's why you set-up legit social media accounts and just don't put more than the most basic information on them and keep your activity very low. Make yourself easy to find, but make it much harder to find your real activity.
"face accounts"
???
Fake
Alright class, let's try our context clues we learned in the sing along!
Speaking of which, is there an easy way to nuke an account on here? I like ditching and remaking accounts but it'd be better if I could easily just delete everything before I ditch.
Edit: Yes, it's in the delete options. Good foresight, admins.
we need some kinda sign to let people know we were an original. ... kinda like a jesus fish.
I made a second account and wanted to use it, but I have a bunch of good stuff saved and don’t want to lose it. Oh well.
It's not secure or anonymous AT ALL. It asks for your fucking phone number before you can even use it.
I don't want to bother with getting a burner phone just to use a "secure" app because the first thing it does is invade my privacy.
I would say never use it while moving, and try to only use it from one location, to avoid leaving any geo-map signature at all, if you want to be hardcore, or even set up the phone as a proxy to a short-wave radio or something.
you don't understand. It asks for your phone number so it can link all the metadata to your real identity. It's not secure, it's malware.
...you know you can use something like TextNow in order to use it, right?
I'll try it thanks
It's current year. Auto number sites exist..
they don't work
Use JAMS
REQUIRES NO EMAIL REQUIRES NO PHONE. REQUIRES NO LOGIN. HAS NO RECOVERY SYSTEM.
https://jami.net Just hit, skip, skip, enter large password. Witness true chat sha256 security
Got a link to it? Just searching "Jams" gives predictable results.
predictable results 😂
https://jami.net
Many thanks!
Just make a password, only. Hit, skip, skip, skip.
Create a backup with a password Witness true chat security.
https://jami.net
protonmail
Signal - Messaging ProtonMail - Email DuckDuckGo - Search
Fuck Google. I only keep a gmail to get apps that fuck over Google.
https://email.faircode.eu
Fair email Open source.
Open source doesn't mean secure.
Anyone can check the code and see whether or not it's secure.
Never said it did.
It does mean that you can check the code.
If it's free, your messages are the product they sell.
Sorry for being confusing, I was trying to reinforce the idea that you need to be paying for email (such as proton mail). I've been using them for years and forgot they even had a free option.
Yeah protonmail is great - if you even so much as change your password, the encryption keys are reset so not even YOU can view your old emails at that point.
Very secure
Well, at least until you give them personal information. Then they have something to sell.
Protonmail was used by Edward Snowden when leaking info about the US government and not only could the NSA not hack into it, but the company didn't turn over any information to the feds because they set-up their site to not capture any user data. That's about as solid a record as you could have.
All emails are encrypted (on your side at least, unless you're emailing someone else on protonmail) with a key that is larger in size than the data it is encrypting. This makes it mathematically impossible to separate the encrypted data from the key that's encrypting it. Just remember to use good OPSEC and don't make it easy to find your login credentials!
Q is a fearmongering LARP
Hasn't publicly been broken or hacked.
To be fair, Snowden uses and endorsed it. If he’s still alive then you know it’s working
Well... Assuming snowden is a white hat, yes.
And where does Q say that?
This is very useful. Thank you for posting.
Elon is secretly very based. more evidence of it keeps leaking out as time goes on.
they say america is racist but the worlds richest man is an African American
I use signal to talk to my army buddies because it's free and encrypted, hands down the best option. But make no mistake, these apps are only as secure as the device they are used on, and the NSA has access to every single electronic device connected to the internet, the Snowden documents prove that and those documents were a decade old, the access they have now is probably mind-blowing.
It is more that the hardware is/can be compromised, the ANT catalog was from 2008. The hard reality is that it doesn't matter how 'secure' signal is when your keystrokes, camera, mic, and everything your screen sees is not. Snowdens release is what made me give up on really any serious encryption.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_ANT_catalog
sweeeeet
Just remember if you use Signal it only encrypts between other people who also use Signal.
My friend's dad is super genius and paranoid of internet.. and he built a peer to peer with major genius level encryption. But it's just sitting with him. How do you distribute. Someone would need to be the host peer.. then all of us join in I guess.
Github
One of these things is not like the other.
The idea is that you give a copy of your communication software to someone you want to communicate with, doing a key exchange using an airgapped linux box and a disk burner. Destroy the disk, then you hope your connected device and their connected device is not compromised. Soon you find out they are ALL compromised in one way or another and the problem is exceedingly hard to solve. On top of that, someone could be shoving needles into his ball sack getting him to unlock his laptop/phone/whatever, meaning your friend himself is compromised.
However what you are definitely not going to do is have any server where you can let groups of arbitrary people join hoping they are cool to smoke with. Nobody smart will trust that. Might as well just post your coded message on a forum.
Finally if your friend's dad's project isn't open source nobody will trust it on a fundamental level. inb4 it's a new custom encryption nobody knows about and he can't give out the secret. That means to me that nobody SHOULD trust it.
found the KGB agent
You may wanna go back about 6-7 years and look into their ownership history, founders, network, architecture, etc up until today and see if it really is any better than facebook messenger
tldr => it is not encryption we are lacking, but data transfer network, to be secure from islamoleftist traitors.
The problem is not the encryption. It is a well known mathematical fact that creating an encryption that nobody can break, is a trivial thing. Use a fucking arbitrarily long sequence of bits for XORing all the data and only the person with the key can ever open it. And the funny thing is that such encryption method can generate all possible messages of the same length if you try decrypting by using all possible combinations, i.e. the snooper cannot even tell if they have been successful in a cracking attempt or they have failed so even if they got a super computer the size of the fucking milkey way, they cannot use brute force on it.
The problem lies in other things, like message routing, key exchange, keeping the key secure etc. it does not matter what encryption you use, how will you keep the key safe and exchange it safely over long distance (this only has to be done one time though)?
All data is passed through servers that are controlled by "them". The second they identify a geographical location or a device where people are committing wrong think or committing the crime of nationalism, they can fucking just block the transfer.
Encryption part is trivial. It is the need for a data transfer network that is not "star shaped". What you need is an infrastructure, where you can defeat the islamoleftist traitors by being able to route your messages in ways, that monitoring all possible routing paths becomes impossible due to exponential time complexity.
I would suggest using something IRC style, if in case you truly want to fly under the radar (plain IRC won't do though, its architecture would have to be boosted)
same thing ... as I said, you need the central server to be able to route your messages. you can send an encrypted message which then they forward, or you can query them only for routing specs, the architecture ultimately remains the same "star". Nodes cannot communicate with each other unless they first go through the central server.
https://thedonald.win/p/11RhFbOwMB/x/c/4DtDVC1glOd
Instead of contacting signal to get this route, to have a distributed collection of machines, that will provide you this information.
Signal scenario: endpoint 1 does not know IP of endpoint 2, so it asks signal server, the only server which has this information. If it comes to a situation that signal server thinks your claim for election fraud is "baseless and Joe Biden is president elect", it decides to not return you IP for any queries you fire at it. You are blocked, because all routing is controlled by the central server.
Relay scenario: any interested person sets up a "relay server", containing a subset (small) of whatever IP addresses it knows. Any endpoint, when it wishes to send or receive message, it registers with some (atleast 1) "relay server". When endpoint 1 wants to send message to endpoint 2, it asks the relay server for the IP. If the relay server knows it, it will return the IP, if not, it will know of whatever relay servers it knows of, to find out who knows the IP. This query crawls the "relay server" network and finds the IP of endpoint 2. It is cached and returned to the endpoint 1.
Now if the relay server you connect to, or register your IP with, thinks that your claims of fake news is "dangerous rhetoric" and blocks you off, you just register to a different "relay server". Not just this you are free to put up your own relay servers whenever you want.
This would solve the problem of a single reptile eyed robotic CEO of social media blocking your entire outreach.
The other problem is of anonymity.
Along with returning the IP address of end point 2, the structure can be enhanced so that it not just returns the IP address, but also relays the message through the same path it found the IP address recursively encrypting and decrypting it at each hop. This will give you a strong anonymity.
The 1st scenario, I understand, is what IRC (Internet Relay Chat) did. The 2nd scenario, I understand, is what TOR does.
We combine the two and we get a medium for social media / data sharing, that neither can be brought down by the whim of one single person, nor the data pathway be easily traced or tracked. It can be, but it will take as much effort as it does in case of TOR.
None of this is new. it is a combination of routing and encryption principles, but the current architecture of software / apps is not built this way. They are built using the most basic "star topology" (endpoing 1 has to get the IP of endpoint 2 by going to servers controlled by a single authority)
IRC style means that you create a relay kind of structure. "they" control the communications in big part because all communication has to first be sent to their server and then they route it to the destination. In IRC style architecture, you can start creating your own "routers".
Think about it. Why can twitter and facebook ban Trump's account? It is because all facebook and twitter accounts have to go to the facebook / twitter server to connect to your contacts. You cannot communicate with your contact directly. This allows facebook and twitter to analyze your communication graph and to shut you down.
In IRC style, communication between peers is not dependent upon such a central server for routing. "IRC routers" would contain routing information between peers, and even if one router were to be brought down, you could always relay the message via other routers, thus making it impossible to shut down accounts like facebook and twitter does.
The best (only) way is to build a web of trust, through exchange and signing of keys when you physically meet someone.
Read, and check out the whole manual. The same concepts would apply to Signal, I suppose, though I haven't used it.
You are not wrong, but the problem I mentioned still stands. All your message would be routed by the servers that are owned by "them" and they can choose to shut you out whenever they want. Even if they are not able to read your message, they can shut you down at their whim.
Signal + Proton Mail + Brave
Any other suggestions?
NSA has a mega complex in Utah. No doubt they could eventually get through any of this. However, if they were to go after me, all they'd find is a bunch of dick pics.
Oh, and obviously the location of the Batcave.
We should make our own Signal. With Rebel Flags! And Freedom!
Now that it's been shouted out, I doubt the Lefites in control won't start implementing combing methods to isolate traffic they want to find, if possible.
If I knew how, sure.
Game Dev In Training, not Encryption Specialist.
Open-sourced though so I'm not exactly sure how that's encrypted.
Edit: Understood, thanks for the heads up pedes.
Open sourced is how it is built, encrypted is how it runs. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to suspension bridges.
If you're ever using encryption that isn't open source, you're doing something wrong.
Open source software is the way
Open source does not negate security. In fact I would trust open source much more than closed source. This is my industry and many, probably even most of the tools I use every single day are open source.
The code doesn't provide security by be hidden, the encryption keys provide security. Open source code lets you see that the keys are being properly used. How would you know the app isn't stealing your keys if the code is not open sourced?
Now let me tell you just a little bit about those encryption keys and asymmetric cryptography.
You have two keys: a private key and a public key. The public key is derived from the private key BUT the private key cannot be derived from the public key. You freely share your public key. You never share your private key.
Every user has a private key and public key (call it a key pair).
Now if you want to send me a message you have access to the following three keys: Your own private key, your own public key, and my public key. Similarly when I receive your message I will have access to three keys: my private key, my public key but only your public key.
Asymmetric cryptography uses these keys in such a way that (1) you can trust only I will be able to read your message and (2) I can trust that only you could have sent that message. Thus we achieved privacy and authenticity: Nobody read the message who wasn't allowed to read it and nobody faked the message.
How does signal's security compare to other encrypted chat apps like keybase?
Isn't signal just a text app? I use it for that.
Yes but it's properly end to end encrypted
I like the idea of using signal but I thought its encryption was hacked recently? Is there another option pedes can recommend that hasn’t been cracked?
https://archive.is/gFDip
Maybe they can produce a virus to extract and log chat with screen grabbing and key logging. It wouldn't matter which encryption scheme you use if someone can look over your shoulder. That doesn't somehow recover previous messages if you have since wiped them.
The Disappearing Messages setting is very easy to turn on.
Can we get real encrypted comms without backdoors?
Does it still use the external code library provided by Google? I forget exactly why but it was the reason I didn't start using signal last time
There has long been buzz that Snowden is just another limited hangout. Lately there has more push that he's actually a CIA asset part of the interagency feud with the NSA.
Obviously, form your own opinion but I don't think it's as cut and dry as "just trust everything he does and says".
He means blinkah. Use your fuckin' blinkah!
Kek
This is what antifa used
Ok. So what does it matter as long as it’s secure?
They used it all summer to organize poll watchers
Is this what Steve Bannon has been trying to tell us and we haven't been listening?
don't get baited by transhumanists
Get your email over to Protonmail.com It's the first step. US companies are not your frens right now. Next step is moving to open source on your desktop and your mobile devices. It's not an easy transition but we must evolve immediately before the real tyranny and censorship take hold. Find a reputable VPN and use it only with that proton mail addy and transition as time allows. Ditch your large corporate bank for a local credit union before social credit score becomes unavoidable. It's not too late. Spread the word amongst frens and family.
Signal and telegram are good. I use telegram though.
Dude you have nearly 200 billion dollars. You could buy reddit with your pocket lint and give it back to patriots if you want a space for organizing a revolution.
Signal is encrypted end to end. And does phone calls.
Yeah I've been using it for years.
Learn to use PGP for when you really want to cover your ass, it's really easy.
Did we forget about Vault 7 already? Signal is compromised.
Did you know that software tends to... gasp.. update?
Remember Tor was taken over by NSA? Trust no one.
Elon Musk was at the Georgia Sea Island conference with other elites plotting against Trump
Who's revolution is Musk endorsing?
Anyone hip to telegram?
Yes
Use face to face with your pho e in the next county. Or carrier pigeons. Or carrier sk8ers or bikers,theyre interpid!
Signal / Telegram