Libertarians are not libertarians. Every libertarian knows this -- I've been one for ten years. Libertarians (as in the Libertarian Party) are just a dog and pony show in the swamp circus. Grifters and conmen and fools.
I'd classify myself as a 'Ron Paul' Republican, so I share a lot of tenants with libertarianism. However, libertarianism falls apart if you refuse to recognize that people are tribal, and want open borders. It only works in societies where people share similar values without this vital piece it's a waste of time.
Libertarians (like me) simply recognize that "Nation," and thus national border, as defined by geographical government occupation, is illegitimate.
However, they do recognize "nation" as defined by voluntary community, cooperation, and property ownership.
In other words, national borders in an ideal world would not exist, because government borders would not exist.
But national borders would certainly still exist in that world, because groups and communities would band together with property boundaries serving the legitimate function that government borders pretend to serve.
Basically, try and separate "Nation" from "nation," then apply that idea to borders.
Of course, that's the ideal. The pragmatic choice of what to do in current real world situations is very complex and you will find libertarians on basically every position on the issue.
Reddit's libertarian sub became "pretend not to be leftist" forum since the mods just let anyone post anything and reddit's userbase are all supreme leftist gentlemen.
Not a surprise. They've been drifting Left for decades. I was one of them, once upon a time. I left shortly after Trump came down the elevator.
Libertarians are not libertarians. Every libertarian knows this -- I've been one for ten years. Libertarians (as in the Libertarian Party) are just a dog and pony show in the swamp circus. Grifters and conmen and fools.
The libertarian party has been compromised. they are now statist bootlickers
They're not even actually libertarians. Obvs.
I'd classify myself as a 'Ron Paul' Republican, so I share a lot of tenants with libertarianism. However, libertarianism falls apart if you refuse to recognize that people are tribal, and want open borders. It only works in societies where people share similar values without this vital piece it's a waste of time.
Libertarians (like me) simply recognize that "Nation," and thus national border, as defined by geographical government occupation, is illegitimate.
However, they do recognize "nation" as defined by voluntary community, cooperation, and property ownership.
In other words, national borders in an ideal world would not exist, because government borders would not exist.
But national borders would certainly still exist in that world, because groups and communities would band together with property boundaries serving the legitimate function that government borders pretend to serve.
Basically, try and separate "Nation" from "nation," then apply that idea to borders.
Of course, that's the ideal. The pragmatic choice of what to do in current real world situations is very complex and you will find libertarians on basically every position on the issue.
Just popped into the old libertarian subreddit. What a bunch fucking leftist, government ass kissing, pussies.
That place was overcome by leftists years ago. It doesn't help that Europeans think "libertarian" means socialist anarchist.
Reddit's libertarian sub became "pretend not to be leftist" forum since the mods just let anyone post anything and reddit's userbase are all supreme leftist gentlemen.
They always have been.
No, there was a time when they actually had principles.
Yes. Open borders, easy drugs, afraid of judgement, and loose morals. Not too bad a start at describing what got us here.
No, they didn't always have loose morals. Indeed, they were the most moral of any political party, once upon a time.
Preening sanctimony is not the same thing as “morals.”
I never said it was.