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posted ago by KaladinStormBlessed ago by KaladinStormBlessed +3932 / -1

This is what I have been saying to people who can't understand what happened yesterday.

It's the most simple concise response: why did something that has never happened in the history of our elections suddenly happen all at once in the states that ended up determining the outcome?

You can not and will not find an appropriate response, because even Biden supporters in their gut know the answer.

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BeefChucker 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your intensity reeks of insecurity. 597 is bigger number than 595. I understand you have want to use percentages but it is the number of votes that determine performance. Trump performed better than Romney and Biden performed better than Obama. The more votes you receive the better. (Insert screeching after this post)

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danold2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

Using the numbers instead of percentages makes no sense and is INCONSISTENT.

If the rule is "2020 Biden getting more votes than 2012 Obama in a state/county that Trump won in 2016 is evidence of the steal", then I think your point applies to literally every state and county. Why stop at Detroit??

For example, Pennsylvania. In 2012 Obama got 2.9M votes in PA, but Biden supposedly got 3.4M (Trump 3.3M). Same is true for nearly every other state and county.

  • So is it evidence that PA was stolen because "Biden couldn't have gotten more votes in Obama"?? NO. Population and voter participating goes up.
  • But was PA and the whole election stolen? OF FUCKING COURSE!
  • Does it help us to use weak and fallacious arguments that underestimate the enemy? HELL NO.

You're copying the left's inability to reason and think independently by stubbornly sticking to such a clearly false point.

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BeefChucker 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let's walk it back. He/she said "You think Biden was more popular in Detroit than Obama who ran as the first black president?" You posted the data for the county that Detroit is located in. I looked up their population and saw it had decreased since Obama, yet Biden received more votes. So I said he was correct that Biden was more popular in Detroit than Obama. I see nothing weak or fallacious about that. I understand you disagree however.

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danold2024 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thank for helping chill it out. Sorry I got a bit aggro in my other messages.

To your point about walking it back even more, I started this because I saw the comment:

. It's stupid I think to get off in the weeds about the Dominion machines etc. The most basic explanations are the best. Ex.

  • You think Biden was more popular in Detroit than Obama who ran as the first black president?

I agree 100% that Biden got more votes that Obama and is therefore more popular when popular is defined as just looking at the vote counts. But for the purposes of convincing normies that the voter fraud happened, this definition of popular is not helpful and not convincing since it is deeply entangled with population growth/voter turn out. And trying to use it as evidence, I think, just serves to weaken the argument.

IMHO, A much more convincing example is look at all the bellwether counties that supposed flipped this year.