I think you come here with a noble goal but at the wrong time. Everyone is very upset right now and trying to figure out what’s going on with our country. As I can see you’ve already gotten some rude responses - better to ask another time. This is like walking into a Jewish community on Kristalnacht asking them questions about how they feel about the economy.
Hmm...perhaps :) I guess I figured that your... well - let me call it "movement" for lack of a better word... is a central actor in the very things that are going on right now, not merely a "victim" but also a "perpetrator"... or "active participant", which I guess is a more neutral description... and I imagine that there is a lot of talk and discussion going on now :) But no rush, as others pointed out you don't owe me shit so by all means reply later, or not at all :)
I read the first few lines of your post and skipped the rest. You are 'not from the US'. And you 'dont have conviction'. Therefore you will never understand. So kindly fuck off
Thank you for your response :) I gotta say though this is going to be an interesting exercise for me to try and use a small amount of words ;) Like I'd want to know what you think is communism (or rather, how it is expressed in the USA in particular) and what America means to you.. like, on an emotional level... but dude we'd be writing for hours ;)
Out of respect ill answer your last question. What America means to me. What does your homeland mean to you? The same here. Just like anyone. I got to grow up hunting and fishing, and access to stores to buy whatever I like whenever I like. Own dogs and just be out in nature. Get a job and drive around and go on dates. No forced labor or bread lines or gulags like in communist countries. I love America because we WERE free. At least up until now. Its all going to change
Aaargh... that's a tough one, frankly. I have like.. 2, maybe 2.5 "homelands" and each one means something else. I used to fish a lot, too... the crazy early morning trotting through the fog kind... every year I tell myself I should start again, see the equipment downstairs every other week, and yet can't find the time. Well - frankly, won't make the time, if we're gonna be honest here ;)
So if you could make one prediction for the next, say 2-3 years... one... development that you think will significantly limit your freedom, what would it be?
Ok if i had to choose one i would have to say THEY WILL FUCK WITH MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS which are GOD GIVEN and non negotiable for any human being on the planet
How its expressed in the US. Ok first study the bolshevik revolution and chinas great leap forward then we will talk again. Maybe next year. You have lots of reading to do.
Well - I have lived under communism so rest assured I need no education on why it sucks ;) The problem with communism is that it requires human nature to be different than it actually is; if we were ants, perhaps it would work... ;)
Though I have a hard time imagining that even the most left-leaning US politicians would end up wanting to implement any set of policies that would resemble the so-called Great Leap Forward, or the disastrous Russian revolution. In fact I think it's fair to say such developments are literally not possible today, even if someone would sincerely want to bring them about.
I mean even China itself seemingly got the memo and has quietly let go of most of their communist ideology... well, except for the one-party total control bit, that is ;)
I always say that communism is humans trying to imitate an ant farm
I also say that capitalism is human nature but communism has to be forced on people
I think im starting to like you
But i do disagree that communism can't take place today. It wont be like the old communism. It will be a technocratic form. In some ways its already in place.
It could be said that communism tends to penalize certain expressions of individuality, yes. See humans are actually very weird that way - on the one hand they all want to be "unique" and be seen as such, yet on the other it is just as important to not stand out like a sore thumb and "fit in" to a degree that you are not seen as "deviant" and can be assumed to be trustworthy.
This duality is always going on... and it's a tough act to follow. From people becoming upset at the thought someone else has the same dress as they do at a party to feeling anxious to be in the center of attention, and everything in between...
One must be careful, however, to use the word "communism" too casually. There are a lot of things in US society today which could be kind of called communism but are very useful and save a lot of hassle, money and overhead. Like certain standards, utilities, environmental norms, educational systems and so on. Yes, ok, I confess, I avoided the word tax ;)
Or let me rephrase that - even you will agree that there are significant benefits to having community-wide agreements everybody has to follow to enable a more fair and equitable "playing field". The trick, however, is to make sure that you minimize the impacts on personal freedoms and innovation.
See the thing is - governing a society is an ongoing adjustment of the status quo. There is no... one system that is good for eternity... the US constitution has, what 26? Amendments... some of which at the time they were made were very controversial. Yet, today they are seen as absolutely essential. Societies change... the challenge is to change its governance accordingly. And 9 out of 10, a change will disadvantage some group to help another.
Look originally the US constitution was meant to outline 'God given' rights. Which meant that no one can take them away. Such as God gave us a mouth to speak and free will to form thought. 1st amendment. And the ability to form implements from the very earth itself to use as weapons. 2nd. And so on and so forth. But now what we have is a bloated monstrosity, because man is imperfect and ALWAYS ruins Gods plan. But our Founding Fathers did the best they could and the US constitution is a revolutionary document that changed human history for the better.
But the communists got a taste of success in subverting a few countries in the 20th century and are now going for world dominance. That is what globalism is.
In the United States, each state has different laws. If you don't like your state you can always move. But under globalism there is no escape. Where will you move to if a one world government becomes oppressive? Nowhere. You will die in gulag.
I kinda rambled a bit but im drinking and prob should go to bed now. Be back tomorrow God willing
OK - but as an end in itself or as a means to achieve a particular (greater) outcome? Why do you feel small government is a good thing? To have a greater chance of personal freedom/liberty...? Do you feel government is wasteful...? Thank you :)
No and I am sorry you feel that is what my post might imply I think - I don't. In fact, that is the whole point... I am trying to treat you as equals, assuming you have an opinion that deserves to be heard.
No, that's entirely true and you totally don't need to reply, you are right :) But unlike most people I am hoping to actually get a proper idea of what it is you are fighting for and not just condemn you as dumbasses and idiots. I don't think that's fair.
OK - I am generally in favor of globalization but understand very well that a great many of people have been negatively impacted by it. and yes, by and large are told to STFU and get with the program, mostly marginalized as xenophobes and the like.
I definitely do not subscribe to the liberal idea that globalizing is pretty much **always ** a good thing and anyone who doesn't think so is an idiot. Try explaining to the thousands made redundant and struggling to make ends meet that, no, really, moving your job to Bangladesh is good for you and the world! This is never going to work, and it's just not true (certainly not for them!)
Ignoring those who were, shall we say - left behind by globalization is what fuels great resentment and discontent, and who can blame them.
However - do you believe or assume that the negative impacts of globalization are in fact intentional and deliberately caused? Why would someone want this?
I think you come here with a noble goal but at the wrong time. Everyone is very upset right now and trying to figure out what’s going on with our country. As I can see you’ve already gotten some rude responses - better to ask another time. This is like walking into a Jewish community on Kristalnacht asking them questions about how they feel about the economy.
Hmm...perhaps :) I guess I figured that your... well - let me call it "movement" for lack of a better word... is a central actor in the very things that are going on right now, not merely a "victim" but also a "perpetrator"... or "active participant", which I guess is a more neutral description... and I imagine that there is a lot of talk and discussion going on now :) But no rush, as others pointed out you don't owe me shit so by all means reply later, or not at all :)
I read the first few lines of your post and skipped the rest. You are 'not from the US'. And you 'dont have conviction'. Therefore you will never understand. So kindly fuck off
PS i mainly just hate communism if you MUST know
And i love America and guns.
Thank you for your response :) I gotta say though this is going to be an interesting exercise for me to try and use a small amount of words ;) Like I'd want to know what you think is communism (or rather, how it is expressed in the USA in particular) and what America means to you.. like, on an emotional level... but dude we'd be writing for hours ;)
Out of respect ill answer your last question. What America means to me. What does your homeland mean to you? The same here. Just like anyone. I got to grow up hunting and fishing, and access to stores to buy whatever I like whenever I like. Own dogs and just be out in nature. Get a job and drive around and go on dates. No forced labor or bread lines or gulags like in communist countries. I love America because we WERE free. At least up until now. Its all going to change
Aaargh... that's a tough one, frankly. I have like.. 2, maybe 2.5 "homelands" and each one means something else. I used to fish a lot, too... the crazy early morning trotting through the fog kind... every year I tell myself I should start again, see the equipment downstairs every other week, and yet can't find the time. Well - frankly, won't make the time, if we're gonna be honest here ;)
So if you could make one prediction for the next, say 2-3 years... one... development that you think will significantly limit your freedom, what would it be?
Ok if i had to choose one i would have to say THEY WILL FUCK WITH MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS which are GOD GIVEN and non negotiable for any human being on the planet
2nd amendment restrictions. And 1st amendment restrictions. Both equally
How its expressed in the US. Ok first study the bolshevik revolution and chinas great leap forward then we will talk again. Maybe next year. You have lots of reading to do.
Well - I have lived under communism so rest assured I need no education on why it sucks ;) The problem with communism is that it requires human nature to be different than it actually is; if we were ants, perhaps it would work... ;)
Though I have a hard time imagining that even the most left-leaning US politicians would end up wanting to implement any set of policies that would resemble the so-called Great Leap Forward, or the disastrous Russian revolution. In fact I think it's fair to say such developments are literally not possible today, even if someone would sincerely want to bring them about.
I mean even China itself seemingly got the memo and has quietly let go of most of their communist ideology... well, except for the one-party total control bit, that is ;)
I always say that communism is humans trying to imitate an ant farm
I also say that capitalism is human nature but communism has to be forced on people
I think im starting to like you
But i do disagree that communism can't take place today. It wont be like the old communism. It will be a technocratic form. In some ways its already in place.
It could be said that communism tends to penalize certain expressions of individuality, yes. See humans are actually very weird that way - on the one hand they all want to be "unique" and be seen as such, yet on the other it is just as important to not stand out like a sore thumb and "fit in" to a degree that you are not seen as "deviant" and can be assumed to be trustworthy.
This duality is always going on... and it's a tough act to follow. From people becoming upset at the thought someone else has the same dress as they do at a party to feeling anxious to be in the center of attention, and everything in between...
One must be careful, however, to use the word "communism" too casually. There are a lot of things in US society today which could be kind of called communism but are very useful and save a lot of hassle, money and overhead. Like certain standards, utilities, environmental norms, educational systems and so on. Yes, ok, I confess, I avoided the word tax ;)
Or let me rephrase that - even you will agree that there are significant benefits to having community-wide agreements everybody has to follow to enable a more fair and equitable "playing field". The trick, however, is to make sure that you minimize the impacts on personal freedoms and innovation.
See the thing is - governing a society is an ongoing adjustment of the status quo. There is no... one system that is good for eternity... the US constitution has, what 26? Amendments... some of which at the time they were made were very controversial. Yet, today they are seen as absolutely essential. Societies change... the challenge is to change its governance accordingly. And 9 out of 10, a change will disadvantage some group to help another.
Look originally the US constitution was meant to outline 'God given' rights. Which meant that no one can take them away. Such as God gave us a mouth to speak and free will to form thought. 1st amendment. And the ability to form implements from the very earth itself to use as weapons. 2nd. And so on and so forth. But now what we have is a bloated monstrosity, because man is imperfect and ALWAYS ruins Gods plan. But our Founding Fathers did the best they could and the US constitution is a revolutionary document that changed human history for the better.
But the communists got a taste of success in subverting a few countries in the 20th century and are now going for world dominance. That is what globalism is.
In the United States, each state has different laws. If you don't like your state you can always move. But under globalism there is no escape. Where will you move to if a one world government becomes oppressive? Nowhere. You will die in gulag.
I kinda rambled a bit but im drinking and prob should go to bed now. Be back tomorrow God willing
You know serfdom, like in the middle ages. Thats Communism. Same thing, just different name. A story as old as humanity.
OK - but as an end in itself or as a means to achieve a particular (greater) outcome? Why do you feel small government is a good thing? To have a greater chance of personal freedom/liberty...? Do you feel government is wasteful...? Thank you :)
Wall of text, not a fan
seriously, ask a question or two... jeez.
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In all due respect, we aren't Chimpanzees and you aren't Jane Goodall.
No and I am sorry you feel that is what my post might imply I think - I don't. In fact, that is the whole point... I am trying to treat you as equals, assuming you have an opinion that deserves to be heard.
Recallgavin202p isn't doing any unpaid emotional labor!
No I agree. I just wanted to say “unpaid emotional labor”
No, that's entirely true and you totally don't need to reply, you are right :) But unlike most people I am hoping to actually get a proper idea of what it is you are fighting for and not just condemn you as dumbasses and idiots. I don't think that's fair.
OK - I am generally in favor of globalization but understand very well that a great many of people have been negatively impacted by it. and yes, by and large are told to STFU and get with the program, mostly marginalized as xenophobes and the like.
I definitely do not subscribe to the liberal idea that globalizing is pretty much **always ** a good thing and anyone who doesn't think so is an idiot. Try explaining to the thousands made redundant and struggling to make ends meet that, no, really, moving your job to Bangladesh is good for you and the world! This is never going to work, and it's just not true (certainly not for them!)
Ignoring those who were, shall we say - left behind by globalization is what fuels great resentment and discontent, and who can blame them.
However - do you believe or assume that the negative impacts of globalization are in fact intentional and deliberately caused? Why would someone want this?