Both sides are being played. Trump is being played whenever he denounces the radical left. The radical left is being played. They are not the real enemy, but whenever you try to fight them and their ideology, all you do is make them more and more solidified as an enemy.
The real solution is to listen to them, understand their problems, include them in discussion and then point out the real enemies and hold the line.
That should eventually cause them to lose the enthusiasm in attacking you and everyone will start thinking more clearly.
The media unfortunately stirs things up and makes this much harder to accomplish, but I think the left might finally realize the media is not their friend if the above is followed.
Edit: I don't mean that the rioters aren't the enemy but that the people who listen to fake news and agree with them are and are the ones to talk to.
Both sides are being played. Trump is being played whenever he denounces the radical left. The radical left is being played. They are not the real enemy, but whenever you try to fight them and their ideology, all you do is make them more and more solidified as an enemy.
The real solution is to listen to them, understand their problems, include them in discussion and then point out the real enemies and hold the line.
That should eventually cause them to lose the enthusiasm in attacking you and everyone will start thinking more clearly.
The media unfortunately stirs things up and makes this much harder to accomplish, but I think the left might finally realize the media is not their friend if the above is followed.
Edit: I don't mean that the rioters aren't the enemy but that the people who listen to fake news and agree with them are and are the ones to talk to.
The real enemy is the CCP.
Their influence caused most of these problems. That and greed, but that's always going to be a problem...
I think you're right that there could be an alliance however I fear the lefties have very low tolerance. They get angry and scream and judge very quickly. For examples ideas like lets just not consider people's race or skin color whatsoever, is an important value to me, if I say this to a normal lefty they will get visibly angry and start turning the conversation into white priv. and how I'm a terrible souless nazi.
I think most on the right can accept and even agree to disagree on the entire leftist ideology but in dialogue leftists seem to demand conformity to all of their ideas and no dissonance or else...
That's why I say don't attack their ideology. To you it's just rational discussion, but to them it's seen as an attack. Just point their attention to the real bullshit from a position of being in some kind of agreement.
Well I need your help then man. My girlfriend is a mega liberal and she will literally shank me at anything remotely not her ideology. I said my dad canceled coming to visit me one time because covid lock downs were getting really strict and he was worried about getting arrested. That alone made her go nuclear, how he shouldn't be concerned about police and should be more worried about the black people he's putting in danger... how we have too much white priv for feeling like we are inconvenienced by a pandemic. She is a tik tok nurse also so she might be an extreme case but I get similar reactions from others. It just feels impossible, like a huge minefield where they are just waiting for me to trip on to activate their resentment.
I guess you got to acknowledge and handle her concerns individually. Like it sounds like she's worried about the fact that black people are more vulnerable to COVID which is actually true, but the reason is because they are more likely be vitamin D deficient because of the color of their skin. Show the scientific data, leftists like science.
She does this thing where she starts shaking, like i can see her hand trembling as she pulls out her phone, she raises her voice to like shreaking and is like OH YEA LOOK, she'll start cussing in every sentence and spitting while she talks at this point, and she starts googling and finds some article for whatever fact she needs, if she can't find the facts she wants she breaks it down to symantics and will be on dictionary.com screaming at me that I don't know the definition of a word used in whatever facts I was trying to present. So to her by proving the definition of a word is different she then validates the argument for herself. Any facts you give her she just becomes so angry and uses google to find some article that agrees with her.
By the way I appreciate your advice you seem like a psychologist or someone who studied behavior or verbal communication.
Yeah I've studied some things, but I haven't mastered it in practice, so talking about it and thinking it through helps me too.
Something I say might end up being wrong. But I can 100% be sure this is correct: The goal is to increase understanding, so anything you do that does that is a win and was right.
Degree of understanding with someone means:
So if someone disagrees with you or is mad at you, it will be hard to talk to them. If you don't listen to someone and let them know you understand (even if you don't agree with it) then you break communication and all 3 will get worse which means less understanding.
So based on that you can figure out how to handle a conversation to increase agreement, affinity and overall understanding.
So after you've listened and let her and let her know that you understood how what she said could possibly be true (even if you don't agree that it is true), you can then start to say what you think about it (in a friendly manner). Then when she responds, make sure that you know that she understood how what you said could possibly be true (even if she doesn't agree that it is true).
If either of you get upset then you know that something went wrong with the conversation that lowered understanding and you can still go back and address what it was.
Again, the main point to focus on is increased understanding, that you end a conversation without either of you being annoyed with the other, or ideally that you gained some agreement and are happier about it than when you started. That should slowly red pill her and you will probably understand where she's coming from better as well.
Also never pretend to agree on something that you don't actually agree with, but always make sure you understand what they mean and that they know that you understand.
Appreciate you taking the time very much to write this out for me. I am going to think about it and make a plan to try your suggestions with smalls steps see if I notice anything. Sounds like good advice and if it makes our relationship less tense I'll be thrilled. Thanks so much for all of this!
Should have told her the truth. That he didnt come because he cant stomach being around her.
She’s beyond saving. Like, TikTok nurse? Really?
Surprise her with a nice, long road trip somewhere in deep red territory. Then abandon her at the shadiest truck stop you can find. Gives you enough time to get home and put all of her stuff in a cardboard box by the curb.
Yea she is literally. We've been dating for like 10 years and I known her since we were kids so we have a lot of history that transcends this but the polarization of politics has made a big problem. I feel like she's been really radicalized, I don't bring up politics around her because it's so upsetting to her but she does sort of lay little traps for me or tries to catch me to start a fight. Like the example with my dad I wasn't trying to go maga on her just answer her that my dad wasn't visiting.
That kind of behavior is not ok. I hate when people throw terms around like “abusive” carelessly, but you’re describing being in an abusive relationship. You can’t bring something as foundational as politics up around her without her raging at you? That’s not healthy.
Imagine if you behaved the way she did for a second and people you knew found out about it. How do you think people would react if they found out you went off on similarly about her about her mother not coming to visit? You’d be the dickhead. But that’s not what’s happening here.
I know that your history with her means a lot. I had to face the fact some time ago that my best friend of nearly 30 years would look the other way if his team decided to put me in a death camp. I had to cut that off. It’s very painful.
Anyway, I shouldn’t presume to know what’s best for other people, especially people I don’t know. Do what you think is right, but from the outside looking in... I know what I’d do.
Thanks man, I do agree. I am worried that it will not work out with how bad things are getting but I would like to try a little longer because we do have a lot of history that means a lot to me. I think what you are saying is right and I have been thinking about it. I think there's just a resentment now that's built up and it's due to politics, like i embody her idea of what a trump supporter is and that disgusts her. Gonna push through it a little longer but thank you!
Much love. I’ll say a prayer for both of you.
Some are pretty deep into, but many can be rational enough to talk to if you're gentle and don't oppose them.
Unfortunately the time to start doing this was like a decade ago. We have a lot of catching up to do.
No way. Trying to get in bed with a bunch of fucking psychos who have been calling for our heads for years, have no moral compass, and have no hesitation in using violence, is asking for even more trouble. The left is not our friend, and never will be.
You want to understand their position? Here it is: they hate life, they hate themselves, they can't come to grips with the fact that life isn't what they wish it was, and they want to lash out and destroy it as a result.
Never trust a leftist.
Yeah know what you mean, I made an edit to clarify. I don't mean that you should try to befriend a psycho, but the normal people that listen to the fake news and agree with the ideology.
I somewhat agree. There are people on the fence that are lower class, who have trouble paying rent or getting a decent job, which is now even harder with covid, and they are just fighting to keep their heads above water. These are the people Antifa or far leftist pray upon. The thing is everyone used to know this, when people stack up at zero, they get desperate and they want to lash out in violence too, even if it has no logical long term solution.
This is why Progressives in the early 1900s (both republicans and democrats) were so in favor of social programs that helped the poor because it kept them from being attracted to communism. Hell, Otto von Bismark, the most staunch political conservative in history created the modern welfare state model that every country operates on now specifically to take away support from the first communist.
In either case, the real enemy is the globalist elite, not their antifa pawns.
they "left" activists are paid imposters
they have no philosophy .... no moral compass and a lust for power not love of country or fellow americans
but otherwise everything you said is true and yes both sides are being played up the middle but we are fodder for free!!
But we can't deny that many normal people get sucked into the narrative and start playing the game and join them or start defending them.
normal people dont have the sophisticated eqipments {these electris bikes in nyc they ALL seem to have at 1000 a pop yeah right .... all the ear communcation systems....etc etc}
wakey wakey ths is a professional outfitted "army" mercenary and paid for just the way the cia rolls thru every country they set their sights upon
FUCK CHINA & FUCK THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND WHO IS USING CHNA AS A FRONT
kamala the chosen is an agent of the queen
You're probably right about that. The people on the ground rioting are not the ones to talk to. It's the normal people that watch the fake news and agree with them that you should talk to.
exactly this our family and friends who neeed red pilling
THATS WORTH all the energy
I got friends who voted for Biden but I only blame myself for not convincing them. I’ll never fault anyone for voting who they believe in everyone gets their vote! Liars, cheaters and thieves need to PAY THE PIPER!
Yeah, sure . We can give them jobs. That will make them realize that there isn’t enough free shit to go around and that less taxes are good...oh wait , we tried that already
The thing is that the whole idea about wanting free stuff is born out of financial stress. You got gently make them see the real reasons why they're getting fucked economically, and I don't mean trying to convince them that their gender studies degree is worthless.
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