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Most white racists in 2021 are not hateful TBH. I mean, they are still racist and it's still wrong, but most of them get to that place as backlash from leftwing racism. And most of them don't wish ill on other races, they just want to be left alone.
I come from a pretty liberal place and am pretty liberal for a pede. And it drives me nuts that most people I know on the two sides are really not that far apart. When I sit down and have conversations with people and really break it down it's pretty easy to see that both sides aren't that different and both sides are kind of racist in their own way.
The real problem becomes when you're convinced that your racism is justice. Like.... right wing racism tends to sprout from the want to not have your culture trampled on. To live in an insulated white neighborhood and when minorities do come to ensure they conform. Whereas left wing racism wants to attack that culture because it's perceived as racist.
Like... .take affirmative action. It's a great idea to give kids who didn't have private ivy league tutors a leg up in college admissions tor the want of a more diverse school. But WTF does it have to be based on color? Couldn't we base it on economic status? Letting a rich black kid with private tutors into your school isn't helping anyone that's disadvantaged.
Sorry this got long.... I think both sides get race wrong... but I think this side at least gets the idea that they might be wrong sometimes. The other side just assumes it's right and that vindicates it all.
every race is allowed to have pride in their race except whites... how is that not racist?
THIS.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!
I get that, to some extent. When black people in America talk about black pride they talk about a shared African American heritage that often came from people who don't have home countries anymore. So they have a shared kinship from heritage with black Americans of years past.
I'm always suspicious a bit when people are proud to be white. I'm not proud to be white any more than I am to have hazel eyes. I am super proud of my Scottish heritage though and have a whole bunch of crap in my house that illustrates that. And screw anybody who says otherwise. I'm also super proud of my American heritage. And a lot of that boils down to being proud of a lot of white guys that came before me.... but I'm not proud of my melanin count.
I dunno if that makes sense, maybe I'm just rambling now :P
I tend to not think of white/black as things most of the time though. Like... it'd be weird AF to me if my black friend from Trinidad felt some strong pride in Rosa Parks. I get why African Americans do though. But you're from Trinidad, she's not your heritage.
My friend doesn't feel that way. But I'm just using it as an example. Like... I don't feel any more proud of ancient Vikings than I do of any other random ancient white people or other colors. But I sing my kids a Scottish lullaby at bedtime.
The shared african american experience of having real institutional racism in their favor? Fuck all your nonsense. If white pride is bad then so is black pride. Being proud of the color of your skin is asinine.
I just said that.
Being proud of your heritage is what it should be. Black people who are descendants of slaves should be proud of being African Americans. Not proud of being black. I 100% agree.
By your logic they are proud of their heritage then they should be celebrating their own countries, i.e. kenya, ghana, angola, etc... and not skin color either. White skin relates back to European heritage and culture just as much as black skin relates to African heritage and culture.
What I'm saying is that the slave trade did, in many ways, cut off their connection to their countries.
That said, I don't disagree with you. I just don't feel any affinity to white countries to which I have no connection. My family comes from like 6 or 7 white countries so I feel a connection there.
Kamala is Jamaican and Indian yet she plays the black card.. they all do and how much black is black when it comes to reparations? or free loans to college.. half gets half a check? 1/32 still get something? it is a total psyop.
so turn it around.. when whites are minorities which they are in many situations in the world, do they get any favors?
I'm not for any of that crap. All I said is I get why African Americans feel pride in African American history. It's because they don't have home countries.
That's as far as I went though. I don't think they should get special treatment. It's racist.
People want their belief system accepted by society. What you are saying sounds like a cope, sorry. Your genes are your ancestry, they are not a melanin count. Only white talk like this. By the way, your Trinidad friend takes pride in Rosa Parks. He just doesn't tell you.
A cope? I'm not familiar with the term.
My genes ARE my ancestry, but they don't include all white people. That's all I mean to say. I personally think that, for the most part, things like Asian pride is dumb AF. How can you feel pride in Asian accomplishments? Does a Chinese person feel pride in the Japanese Nanking Massacre? I mean.... most Asian families I know hate the other Asian races and then still say Asian Pride. Like WTF?
I honestly don't get any of it.
I take pride in Rosa Parks. It took a tiny black woman to teach a whole bunch of people about equality. Just seems like some folks are really shooting for supremacy.
This is true, I've got a Dominican friend who's hung out with white supremacists and he said they were chill people who had no issues hanging out with him, they just wouldn't want him to move into their neighborhood. It's no different from the attitude in inner city minority communities, hence why all the bitching about gentrification.
I'm reminded of a quote from a Thomas Sowell book. He mentions being born in the south, but raised in Harlem by other family members. He didn't know people came in any other color. until he saw a white person in Harlem for the first time. A lot of people really don't understand how segregated the US was and it wasn't just in the South. White people were always going to Harlem at night for the clubs, but never lived there. Parents used to tell their daughters that black men would attack them if they went to these places to keep them from going. This was NYC and not that long ago. That city has a loooooong history of segregation.
The Northeast is more segregated than the South in many respects. At least in the South people had familiarity. When MLK visited Chicago he said it was the most racist place he’d been. Funnily enough, I heard from an old timer that some black people thought any white person coming up to Harlem way back in the day was a druggie or promiscuous and to be avoided.
Oh, yes. there's a grain of truth in that. Rarely did you see anyone not black in Harlem. If you did, it was so they could get their drug of choice, which was easily accessed through the entertainment in these clubs. It really picked up in the 20s, when women's dress lengths rose and a new type of woman, the flapper, was born. She was most definitely testing the boundaries and her parent's patience with what they saw as her new immorality. Prohibition hit in 1918 and things went underground. But getting back to your last sentence, messing with a white woman/man whose parents were wealthy and politically connected could get you into trouble.
You know, people really do not give jazz/popular/blues music the credit they deserve for bringing two types of people, who would have never met or socialized, together.
Lol nobody is being racist because of just skin color, that's naive liberal take. People judge other groups of people based on aggregate statistics, despite being 13% of the population, blacks commit over 50% of the violent crimes (probably even higher if you're counting all crimes), blacks commit 99% of interracial rapes between blacks and whites, while you might be able find one white man raping black women in a good year. if there are four blacks on the street corner at night, I'd avoid them regardless of how they dressed. Heck they can all be albinos wearing thousand-dollar suits and I'd still avoid them like the plague.
The right are race sensitive, not racist. People like to conflate the two, because it's to their advantage to do so. The only reason there's a discussion about racism at all is because the right are race sensitive and want to be fair. That doesn't happen in racist countries, they're just racists. They don't even think about racism as an idea. You're inferior and that's that.
Back in my day, the actual straight up racists, neo-nazis, skinheads that we would run into. When you'd get one of them alone, the story was always the same, some black guy beat them up. That racism didn't last very long, after they grew up and got some internal perspective.
What people consider racism now is actually a smaller part of a larger concept that has nothing to do with race at all. It's like how microaggressions are a tiny piece of a larger concept that only applies to the thing they want.
Anecdotally a lot of this rings true to people I've met as well.
What these people also don’t get is the Chinese will not give a flying fuck and will treat us all like garbage.
“Most white racists in 2021 are not hateful TBH. I mean, they are still racist and it's still wrong, but most of them get to that place as backlash from leftwing racism. And most of them don't wish ill on other races, they just want to be left alone.”
What you described above as being racist is not even close to being racist. What you described makes them normal human beings. I hope you just mistyped and don’t actually believe that.