Where in NE TX? I’m in Big D, unfortunately. Have family from Hopkins County, Wood County, Lamar County. Even Texas has changed a lot over the past 10-15 years and not for the better. But if Texas secedes I could see Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska and both Dakotas coming along. Split the country right down the middle. Then come the Gulf Coast states. With Trump’s home there why not make Mara Lago the new Capital of the seceded nation?
That area, actually. Hopkins/Wood/etc. Hour and a half or so east of D.
I feel like the most natural partnering if Texas did secede and brought friends would be Louisiana, Arkansas, and Oklahoma. (And, honestly, the eastern half of New Mexico)
Basically, from the Rio Grande to the Mississippi and south of whatever parallel Ok and Ark's northern border is would be a geographic fit and a cultural one (Ar/La aren't exactly "South" to the extent that the Deep South east of the Mississippi is.)
I think concerns about things like capitals can wait until later, honestly.
The fact of the matter is that the US should really be splitting into something like 6 nations. Ever hear of "The 11 American Nations"? A book by a guy talking about the waves of immigration to the colonies (and, later, across the US), how they're allied/opposed politically, etc. There's even DNA support for this now in the sense of whose descendants went largely where.
Needless to say, they do not neatly cut at state lines, but basically, the Left Coast + Hawaii as a nation, Alaska + the greater Mountain West as a nation, New England as a nation, the Midwest as a nation, Tidewater (and its outgroths) as a nation, the Deep South as a nation, and Texas & friends as a nation would all make sense, culturally speaking.
The idea of exchanging one nation for two doesn't have all that much merit to me, because you still get a lot of conflict and differences that don't necessarily mesh. But the different ones could be allied (Tx + South + Mountain, for example) relatively easily in time of need or to achieve success of the dissolution itself.
I honestly feel EVERY American should read the Wikipedia page on "Dissolution of the USSR". Wikipedia is Wikipedia, but the page as a whole isn't that hard to read, and lays out how the USSR went from a World Superpower to a collection of distinct nations with various alliances/enmities, and how Russia was the inheritor to much of the USSR's global position and power (with other nations, like Ukraine, getting some of the assets, such as the nukes that they...foolishly traded away for promises of Western protection that didn't materialize when they needed them the most...)
I’ve heard it referred to as the ArkLaTex area, but that omits Oklahoma. My grandad used to say anyone who lived north of the Red River was a yankee! Very old school, but funny. I just mentioned the capital thing as a lighthearted distraction from all of the stress. I come in here for like minded opines and info gathering, reassurance. Fir the most part, I think the overall attitude is pretty negative, but it makes sense because we’re all pretty pissed off. I just wish some of these guys in here who act like they’re Trump’s secret, right hand man and that they, and they alone know something everyone else doesn’t - and that us nobody’s need to just wait for and trust some secret plan. It’s preposterous. Most regular people coming through here do so with good intentions and probably because they wanted to help,somehow. You’ve gotta be one of them, I guess. Whoever “they” are.
Anyway, come Jan 21 if the dreaded event happens, then for me I’m not going to focus on one man or 2024, but the concept of secession. Those of us interested in that topic need a place to converse, right?
I’ll read up on your recommendations. In regard to this subject this may be the most opportune time to strike. Usually, you mention the S word and people roll their eyes and walk off. Now, it has a genuinely captive audience. People want to learn more about, in every way. I have no doubts that Texas will lead the way, too.
It's hard to say, ultimately Oklahoma is the reddest state by county (in 2016, Ok and West Virginia were the only two states to have every county go red, and I think Wyoming joined them in 2020), but WV is in the heart of the eastern enclave of "Blue America", unfortunately for them.
Secession is a weird animal. It's illegal unless you do it successfully, then it's patriotic. Before it can be done, it has to be a thing that people are CERTAIN they want to do, and certain with enough of a critical mass they cannot be ignored. And, by nature, it tend to require at least part of the ruling class to support it - which is true of civil wars in general, and also of coups. Though "ruling class" can sometimes be more open here (disenfranchised nobles, military officers), it requires some basis of power to do.
That said, it's also the modern era. A civil war today would look VERY different than one in 1860.
As to the mood - people seem pissed, but also jovial. Still plenty of joke and shitposting going on.
Where in NE TX? I’m in Big D, unfortunately. Have family from Hopkins County, Wood County, Lamar County. Even Texas has changed a lot over the past 10-15 years and not for the better. But if Texas secedes I could see Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska and both Dakotas coming along. Split the country right down the middle. Then come the Gulf Coast states. With Trump’s home there why not make Mara Lago the new Capital of the seceded nation?
That area, actually. Hopkins/Wood/etc. Hour and a half or so east of D.
I feel like the most natural partnering if Texas did secede and brought friends would be Louisiana, Arkansas, and Oklahoma. (And, honestly, the eastern half of New Mexico)
Basically, from the Rio Grande to the Mississippi and south of whatever parallel Ok and Ark's northern border is would be a geographic fit and a cultural one (Ar/La aren't exactly "South" to the extent that the Deep South east of the Mississippi is.)
I think concerns about things like capitals can wait until later, honestly.
The fact of the matter is that the US should really be splitting into something like 6 nations. Ever hear of "The 11 American Nations"? A book by a guy talking about the waves of immigration to the colonies (and, later, across the US), how they're allied/opposed politically, etc. There's even DNA support for this now in the sense of whose descendants went largely where.
Needless to say, they do not neatly cut at state lines, but basically, the Left Coast + Hawaii as a nation, Alaska + the greater Mountain West as a nation, New England as a nation, the Midwest as a nation, Tidewater (and its outgroths) as a nation, the Deep South as a nation, and Texas & friends as a nation would all make sense, culturally speaking.
The idea of exchanging one nation for two doesn't have all that much merit to me, because you still get a lot of conflict and differences that don't necessarily mesh. But the different ones could be allied (Tx + South + Mountain, for example) relatively easily in time of need or to achieve success of the dissolution itself.
I honestly feel EVERY American should read the Wikipedia page on "Dissolution of the USSR". Wikipedia is Wikipedia, but the page as a whole isn't that hard to read, and lays out how the USSR went from a World Superpower to a collection of distinct nations with various alliances/enmities, and how Russia was the inheritor to much of the USSR's global position and power (with other nations, like Ukraine, getting some of the assets, such as the nukes that they...foolishly traded away for promises of Western protection that didn't materialize when they needed them the most...)
I’ve heard it referred to as the ArkLaTex area, but that omits Oklahoma. My grandad used to say anyone who lived north of the Red River was a yankee! Very old school, but funny. I just mentioned the capital thing as a lighthearted distraction from all of the stress. I come in here for like minded opines and info gathering, reassurance. Fir the most part, I think the overall attitude is pretty negative, but it makes sense because we’re all pretty pissed off. I just wish some of these guys in here who act like they’re Trump’s secret, right hand man and that they, and they alone know something everyone else doesn’t - and that us nobody’s need to just wait for and trust some secret plan. It’s preposterous. Most regular people coming through here do so with good intentions and probably because they wanted to help,somehow. You’ve gotta be one of them, I guess. Whoever “they” are.
Anyway, come Jan 21 if the dreaded event happens, then for me I’m not going to focus on one man or 2024, but the concept of secession. Those of us interested in that topic need a place to converse, right?
I’ll read up on your recommendations. In regard to this subject this may be the most opportune time to strike. Usually, you mention the S word and people roll their eyes and walk off. Now, it has a genuinely captive audience. People want to learn more about, in every way. I have no doubts that Texas will lead the way, too.
It's hard to say, ultimately Oklahoma is the reddest state by county (in 2016, Ok and West Virginia were the only two states to have every county go red, and I think Wyoming joined them in 2020), but WV is in the heart of the eastern enclave of "Blue America", unfortunately for them.
Secession is a weird animal. It's illegal unless you do it successfully, then it's patriotic. Before it can be done, it has to be a thing that people are CERTAIN they want to do, and certain with enough of a critical mass they cannot be ignored. And, by nature, it tend to require at least part of the ruling class to support it - which is true of civil wars in general, and also of coups. Though "ruling class" can sometimes be more open here (disenfranchised nobles, military officers), it requires some basis of power to do.
That said, it's also the modern era. A civil war today would look VERY different than one in 1860.
As to the mood - people seem pissed, but also jovial. Still plenty of joke and shitposting going on.