lol. Let me ask you a question: At what point do you think the 2A is warranted?
But I'm going to guess the future. I'm going to guess that you'll never answer this question because you're just too plain scared. You're too busy shitting your britches.
And I can somewhat understand that, but it's a law, written in the Constitution. If you're afraid about speaking about that which is already legal, then they've already won.
It's not the talking about it. It's the: ACT NOW ACT NOW WE MUST BE VIOLENT NOW shit that glows.
Oregon Statute 166.660 makes it a felony to organize an offensive 2A group. You get self defense only, and can't wink and nudge your way to a militia without getting your rights stripped. Now one can argue "do it anyway pussy or Jefferson will look down on you" but it is no fun being the only guy in prison while your friends are out there keeping your wife warm.
So talk 2A, have boating trips, discuss the ins and outs of violent revolution, but if I see you calling for immediate action I'm not listening. That's my decision to make when the time comes, and it's not here yet.
See, I was one of the people telling people to not get violent before the election, because I saw that as necessary, that we were still fighting a political war, but after the election, I'm not seeing any need for restraint any longer.
Yea, I mean you're right. We're at war, if we don't fight back it will just be a one sided war. Ie, us getting killed and living under the boot. But there's just a time for patience. Let's see if Trump does anything
I'm not sure you're factoring everything in. They already have control of national guard, police etc, they're moreso who'd you'd be fighting. If you could pull off a very very successful. Then I guess that wouldn't be the worst. It's just, what if Trump dose pull through
They've stolen the election. They corrupted the courts. They corrupted Congress. They're throwing you in jail for trumped-up charges. They're silencing you on the Internet. They've just labeled you as a domestic terrorist just for exercising your 1A. And they're kicking you out of your jobs, turning your children against you.
I mean, at some point your lack of action becomes just plain old cowardice.....
When they start taking people to the gulags or confiscating guns. Then it'll be up to guys in individual states to hit up key targets when they are most vulnerable. It will have to be dozens of independent organizations working with one goal. If one organization goes down, it'll just be a few people. The less hierarchy the better. The more it gains traction, the more organization you can have, but if it starts as a massive protest and expects to be just one group it'll fade quickly.
I'm not calling for violence, but I think alot since I suffer from never ending back pain and it drives me crazy.
It'll be dozens of cell groups under one banner. Kind of how Antifa is just an idea and are several independent cell groups operating under one cause. Without the hierarchical structure they are harder to take down and can organize attacks better.
Let me ask you a question: At what point do you think the 2A is warranted?
If and when it ever became time, it wouldn't be discussed or planned on a public forum where any member of Law Enforcement or the MSM doesn't even need to create an account to read it.
TLDR: It will take an event we can't anticipate then guns won't be needed, any thing that can be a weapon will be used.
I just don't think any real plans would be discussed in public, as that would let anyone who wanted to begin confiscation, arrests and other actions would, know where to begin.
Speculation.
The knife of confiscation will slide in slowly. Durbin's terrorism bill may be a start. They won't ban guns, they'll ban White Supremacists from owning them by adding them to the same list that James O'Keefe was added to and had to threaten sue to be removed.
Because the knife will go in slowly, as it has for the last 80 some odd years, there will be no 'frozen frame' or single event.
Neither will it be evenly distributed. The blue areas - states and cities have already disarmed a lot of their law abiding citizens.
In discussing the 2A, that tends focuses the argument around guns. In Feudal Japan, weapons were severely restricted in an early form of pre-gun control. The peasants figured out how to make weapons out of farm tools like the rice flail that became Nunchaku/Nunchuks.
At the point when the "2A" is viable, people will grab whatever they can make into a weapon and go after people. Thousands may take on a hundred armed men. Many of the thousands will die, but all of the hundred will.
Some history says the Chinese communists sent human waves in the Korean war, an offensive war. They had more humans than weapons. Move forward, pick up a gun off the ground and possibly live, or stop and be shot from behind by your own officers. [1]
Difference is: Americans, when fully provoked, won't need someone threatening them to do this.
When do we hit this point?
Dunno.
It'll probably take a "Pearl Harbor" type of event that affects all citizens at once, not just Republicans or Democrats.
Other than that, the knife just slides slowly.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_wave_attack suggests this didn't happen this way. A British Documentary suggests it did, but it may have been a "Documentary". Using the concept here, not the historical reality)
Yes, the only kind of violence that works is very well coordinated violence. If you don't have States seceding or an organized army then violence is simply hurting your cause.
Organized symbolic acts of civil disobedience and mischief look great in history books but during the time do little but to antagonize the enemy (which, itself, can be fun while not always getting you closer to your goals).
In the Boston Tea party the protest was directly against the Tea Act and Townsend taxes... so going after the tea that was the focus of the Tea Act and subject to taxation under the Townsend Act was very focused and sent a clear message despite not really doing any real harm... most of what they wanted had been accomplished through protests and convincing sellers to return the tea unsold, denying England their taxes.
The closest equivalent I could see today would be not just the boycotting of media companies who blocked Trump (Twitter, Google, Facebook, etc.) but to wage a massive DDoS attack against them... lay siege upon them until they agree to never ban or censor an elected politician's profiles and communications. Creating legislation to that effect would also be helpful. If you define that as violence, that's fine... but firebombing and murder won't work... I mean, that would have on Jan 4/5, but not now, the deed is done.
Boycotts, sadly, won't work because many of these companies would actually see an uptick in sales from the other side to counter our efforts. Digital warfare would be quite effective... it's hard to censor ALL OF US... if we were organized enough.
Exactly, all this violence stuff is likely liberals trying to get this site deplatformed for violence. I deported and called one out earlier for that. His account was 4 hours old and it was about Hannity slashing up Antifa in the streets.
They think we are stupid. I told him that if we were so violent, they wouldn't have to come here and make stuff up like that lol
Seriously accelerationists just look stupid at this point.
So do the idiots trying to get this site shut down by flooding it with fake calls for violence.
They stick out like a sore thumb too.. Always the same 1-2 lines hoping they get a bunch of likes so they can say SEE LOOK !!!
People need to be smarter than this. They are looking to set up anyone who will take the bait. You can't fall for it.
We need to unite and regroup. More and more people are getting red-pilled, the numbers are growing. Strategy must be used, not rash action without forethought, any protest on 20JAN2021 would lead to the complete banning of the 2nd Amendment. They have agitators standing by and ready to go. Those agitators will be armed even if the patriots are not, it will give them ammunition to ban the first and second amendments. There are plenty of fake posters going around, they want people to be rash.
lol. Let me ask you a question: At what point do you think the 2A is warranted?
But I'm going to guess the future. I'm going to guess that you'll never answer this question because you're just too plain scared. You're too busy shitting your britches.
Hypothetically speaking, if one were planning such activities, it would be best not to announce it on the internet.
And I can somewhat understand that, but it's a law, written in the Constitution. If you're afraid about speaking about that which is already legal, then they've already won.
It's not the talking about it. It's the: ACT NOW ACT NOW WE MUST BE VIOLENT NOW shit that glows.
Oregon Statute 166.660 makes it a felony to organize an offensive 2A group. You get self defense only, and can't wink and nudge your way to a militia without getting your rights stripped. Now one can argue "do it anyway pussy or Jefferson will look down on you" but it is no fun being the only guy in prison while your friends are out there keeping your wife warm.
So talk 2A, have boating trips, discuss the ins and outs of violent revolution, but if I see you calling for immediate action I'm not listening. That's my decision to make when the time comes, and it's not here yet.
We will know when the time is right.
The 2A doesn't say when you're emotionally prepared. It's black and white. Has Line X been crossed or not? Period.
At minimum wait till after the 20th. Can't throw caution to the wind
See, I was one of the people telling people to not get violent before the election, because I saw that as necessary, that we were still fighting a political war, but after the election, I'm not seeing any need for restraint any longer.
Yea, I mean you're right. We're at war, if we don't fight back it will just be a one sided war. Ie, us getting killed and living under the boot. But there's just a time for patience. Let's see if Trump does anything
You're not strategic, or you're antifa trying to start shit
I'm not sure you're factoring everything in. They already have control of national guard, police etc, they're moreso who'd you'd be fighting. If you could pull off a very very successful. Then I guess that wouldn't be the worst. It's just, what if Trump dose pull through
Don't rush to ruin.
They've stolen the election. They corrupted the courts. They corrupted Congress. They're throwing you in jail for trumped-up charges. They're silencing you on the Internet. They've just labeled you as a domestic terrorist just for exercising your 1A. And they're kicking you out of your jobs, turning your children against you.
I mean, at some point your lack of action becomes just plain old cowardice.....
I am a 3 combat tour veteran. I know when violence is needed, you can go fuck yourself.
ok so when is violence needed? My answer is we passed that limit some time ago.
when your neighbors are willing to hide you and provide an alibi without prompting.
Oh, and here comes the dick measuring contest. Nobody cares about the size of your little dick.
When they start taking people to the gulags or confiscating guns. Then it'll be up to guys in individual states to hit up key targets when they are most vulnerable. It will have to be dozens of independent organizations working with one goal. If one organization goes down, it'll just be a few people. The less hierarchy the better. The more it gains traction, the more organization you can have, but if it starts as a massive protest and expects to be just one group it'll fade quickly.
I'm not calling for violence, but I think alot since I suffer from never ending back pain and it drives me crazy.
It'll be dozens of cell groups under one banner. Kind of how Antifa is just an idea and are several independent cell groups operating under one cause. Without the hierarchical structure they are harder to take down and can organize attacks better.
Fair point!
If and when it ever became time, it wouldn't be discussed or planned on a public forum where any member of Law Enforcement or the MSM doesn't even need to create an account to read it.
I didn't ask you that. I just asked you at what point does it become a viable option.....
U. N. troops are one of my lines in the sand.
Thanks for your input. I find people's red lines fascinating, and even more interesting is that most people all have different red lines.
Fair question.
TLDR: It will take an event we can't anticipate then guns won't be needed, any thing that can be a weapon will be used.
I just don't think any real plans would be discussed in public, as that would let anyone who wanted to begin confiscation, arrests and other actions would, know where to begin.
Speculation.
The knife of confiscation will slide in slowly. Durbin's terrorism bill may be a start. They won't ban guns, they'll ban White Supremacists from owning them by adding them to the same list that James O'Keefe was added to and had to threaten sue to be removed.
Because the knife will go in slowly, as it has for the last 80 some odd years, there will be no 'frozen frame' or single event.
Neither will it be evenly distributed. The blue areas - states and cities have already disarmed a lot of their law abiding citizens.
In discussing the 2A, that tends focuses the argument around guns. In Feudal Japan, weapons were severely restricted in an early form of pre-gun control. The peasants figured out how to make weapons out of farm tools like the rice flail that became Nunchaku/Nunchuks.
At the point when the "2A" is viable, people will grab whatever they can make into a weapon and go after people. Thousands may take on a hundred armed men. Many of the thousands will die, but all of the hundred will.
Some history says the Chinese communists sent human waves in the Korean war, an offensive war. They had more humans than weapons. Move forward, pick up a gun off the ground and possibly live, or stop and be shot from behind by your own officers. [1]
Difference is: Americans, when fully provoked, won't need someone threatening them to do this.
When do we hit this point?
Dunno.
It'll probably take a "Pearl Harbor" type of event that affects all citizens at once, not just Republicans or Democrats.
Other than that, the knife just slides slowly.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_wave_attack suggests this didn't happen this way. A British Documentary suggests it did, but it may have been a "Documentary". Using the concept here, not the historical reality)
Exactly. That's my greatest fear, that we'll just be the frogs in the slowly boiling pan.
No need to fear that, the frog is long since boiled. What good is a second amendment if you never use it to fight tyranny?
They may as well repeal it at this point, most people will comply.
Please pray God will show you. That's all there is. No one will tell you when the moment is, no signal will go up, no one will tell you go.
Pray that your heart is right with God and when it's time you will be ready.
What was the point of passing a law about the 2A if you have to wait for God to give you the okay to use it?
Yes, the only kind of violence that works is very well coordinated violence. If you don't have States seceding or an organized army then violence is simply hurting your cause.
Organized symbolic acts of civil disobedience and mischief look great in history books but during the time do little but to antagonize the enemy (which, itself, can be fun while not always getting you closer to your goals).
In the Boston Tea party the protest was directly against the Tea Act and Townsend taxes... so going after the tea that was the focus of the Tea Act and subject to taxation under the Townsend Act was very focused and sent a clear message despite not really doing any real harm... most of what they wanted had been accomplished through protests and convincing sellers to return the tea unsold, denying England their taxes.
The closest equivalent I could see today would be not just the boycotting of media companies who blocked Trump (Twitter, Google, Facebook, etc.) but to wage a massive DDoS attack against them... lay siege upon them until they agree to never ban or censor an elected politician's profiles and communications. Creating legislation to that effect would also be helpful. If you define that as violence, that's fine... but firebombing and murder won't work... I mean, that would have on Jan 4/5, but not now, the deed is done.
Boycotts, sadly, won't work because many of these companies would actually see an uptick in sales from the other side to counter our efforts. Digital warfare would be quite effective... it's hard to censor ALL OF US... if we were organized enough.
Exactly, all this violence stuff is likely liberals trying to get this site deplatformed for violence. I deported and called one out earlier for that. His account was 4 hours old and it was about Hannity slashing up Antifa in the streets.
They think we are stupid. I told him that if we were so violent, they wouldn't have to come here and make stuff up like that lol
Suck their dicks some more and wipe that lip when you thank them. Then die on your knees.
Seriously accelerationists just look stupid at this point. So do the idiots trying to get this site shut down by flooding it with fake calls for violence.
They stick out like a sore thumb too.. Always the same 1-2 lines hoping they get a bunch of likes so they can say SEE LOOK !!! People need to be smarter than this. They are looking to set up anyone who will take the bait. You can't fall for it.
I'm tired of cucks pretending that no political violence is ever justified in a country founded and protected by political violence.
You mean like the thousands of posts leading up to January 6. Yeah, kinda tired.
Well there just may be a point when all options are exhausted, and the right to bear arms is made just for that. IMO
We need to unite and regroup. More and more people are getting red-pilled, the numbers are growing. Strategy must be used, not rash action without forethought, any protest on 20JAN2021 would lead to the complete banning of the 2nd Amendment. They have agitators standing by and ready to go. Those agitators will be armed even if the patriots are not, it will give them ammunition to ban the first and second amendments. There are plenty of fake posters going around, they want people to be rash.
We have been doing this to long. They think we are stupid.
Here's what the mods should do: send them CAPTCHAs with no boats or bicycles, and the "Skip" button doesn't work. They'll be baffled for hours!
MSM is using these posts in there fake news stories. Would not be surprised if they wrote the comments themselves.
No calls for violence, ammunition for the enemy
We lost the optics war when conservatives decided to get real jobs instead of being "journalists"
Nothing you or Trump or anybody else does or says will change their mind about eliminating your family from society.
Yes fuck them all to death! 🤣
Out of the loop. What's a handshake?
We are not at that pint yet. But, we are getting very close.
nervous sweating intensifies from the handshake account lol