We really don't have a choice. We need parallel systems for everything, starting with banking and credit at the top to societies embedded in local government and business groups.
We need apolitical banking systems/platforms yesterday. Thats a huge one. What do you do when every big bank and payment processor refuses to work with you? Nowadays most people pay with cards and if you don't have access to processors you are legit hosed.
i know how screwed we are, we are screwed at every level, personal experience and all that.. anyway at this point we need a parallel society or deal in the black market, in communism the opposition is blacklisted from everything as you can see and the way to deal with that is basically to exist outside of the system assuming they are not out to hunt you down in which case you either run or fight.
That’s what I’m saying. Cryptography is the answer here. To the server problem, the money problem, and the dirt bag ceo problem. The answers are there we just have to find ways to successfully implement them
Monero is a good choice to use in terms of doing transactions. Think of it like an anonymous e-cash that can be used online. It is a cryptocurrency where everything is encrypted. I've been trying to get people to use it forever because just imagine if you have a 100% anonymouse e-cash system. You could work and pay other people and no one would know about it (not even the government). That does have its perks if you know what I mean. Censorship resistant and maximum privacy. Now it is more important than ever because our rights are at risk. People want to silence us, doxx us, and keep us quiet.
Main problem with this is the ISPs. Once they start filtering and blocking we need new infrastructure. Might have to start ham radio nets at first but can be jammed...
ISPs won't be the problem with end-to-end encryption. ISPs can't break the encryption (neither can the government). It is our fault for not using these technologies. We need to start using them!
It seems to be the road we are on, and I think if we keep on going down this road the US will end up balkanizing. We'll soon have a conservative and liberal economies that are each separate and political positions will be much harder to change since you'd have to give up your entire way of life and probably move if you have a change of heart.
I want Parlor to name the lawyers that dropped them. They really need to do this so that any other conservatives, republicans, free speech advocates, christians, pro-lifers, nuns etc will know not to trust them or hire them. I don't want to destroy those lawyers but they have to be named because if they weren't strong enough to defend Parler when the going got tough, even after they were hired to do so, we need to help others avoid them. It's not to hurt the lawyers. It's to protect others who might mistakenly believe those lawyers have fortitude and courage when they do not.
Remember, almost all of Flynn's most serious problems were caused by hiring lawyers that caved to the FBI and then lied to Flynn about the duress they were under.
We can't protect the reputations of lawyers like that. They can't have the benefit of unearned credibility.
I don't disagree with you but we also have to have them named. It's too important to our movement to let them slink off with their tails between their legs. It's not a question of trying to hurt them. It's a matter of giving fair warning to those who may be interested in hiring them.
Yup. Does anyone really think it was the plan to have Giuliani presenting things in court? Because it definitely fucking wasn’t.
Both firms they retained backed out after their other clients threatened to drop them if they represented Trump. Imagine if that happened with criminal instead of civil attorneys.
ok, what is actually going on here? This is a very common occurrence now. Are these attorneys taking retainers and fees and then when the time comes they duck out? Is that legal?
They will defend child rapist murders but won’t rep conservative tech CEOs in civil matters. That’s the current state of this industry. Let’s hope the medical field doesn’t follow suit. Interesting though experiment: if SCOTUS says everyone has a right to have representation in criminal matters, but every competent person refuses to rep you, do you get to go fee?
You’d get a public defender to be the warm body next to you in court. It would be the same as not having any representation at all, but no one would care.
There really is no contract. You just select a server, input your card number, and you instantly have access to utilize the resources on the rented server. They can decide at any point to stop billing you and take control of the server back
This needs to be a crime. Not dropping a client, but harrassing and threatening attorneys to drop the client should be a crime. Why do these same people not threaten an attorney who represents a child rapist or serial killer? They know Parler is right and and will win and Google's censoring will backfire.
Forget visa and MasterCard. We need our own credit card. The Trump card. Gun stores that have been deplatformed would probably be on board. Make it the coin of the realm for the parallel conservative digital ecosystem.
I told everyone in those other threads that they are going nuke Parler so bad you will be able to see the hole in the internet from space, but no one seemed to believe me. SMH.
I saw that John guy(Parler CEO) in an interview. He's completely out of his depth. Andrew Torba at Gab is a total Chad. He slaps his giant steel balls on the table regularly. I don't even particularly like him but he's no soy boy.
Maybe Parler should just send a few of their employees to law school. Problem will solve itself in 3-4 years. Right?
Building your own stuff is fine if it’s actually feasible. But eventually they’re going to get to the point where you’re going to tell them to build their own credit card company and bank. That’s not at all feasible.
But eventually they’re going to get to the point where you’re going to tell them
to build their own credit card company and bank. That’s not at all feasible.
We have that already. It's called Cryptocurrency.
Maybe Parler should just send a few of their employees to law school.
Problem will solve itself in 3-4 years. Right?
More cucked, blue-pilled bullshit. You're speaking as if we aren't already being deplatformed goddamn near everywhere and you probably think that Twitter, Facebook & Google should continue to oppress non-left users.
You also promote the usage of weak and ineffective attorneys (which will only taint the market)
Crypto is all well and good until you have to get actual spendable cash or convert your cash into crypto. Then you’re right back in the current banking system. Unless you can both find a job that pays in crypto and buy everything in crypto, including food and shelter, you’re not going to avoid having to deal with the banking system.
Not to mention the fact that most Bitcoin mining is done in China because of the low cost of power. The CCP could cripple Bitcoin if they so choose.
As for the lawyers, I don’t even know what your argument is. Yes, companies like Parler should definitely be using lawyers willing and able to work with them despite the external pressure. But those lawyers are few and far between. More than that, those lawyers aren’t going to be nearly as good as the ones they had on retainer until recently.
Hate to say it, but I’m getting more and more black pilled as this shit goes on. The left has essentially cut off the means for any conservative-leaning business to work within the current system. If you can’t avail yourself of any modern tech without building it from the ground up yourself then you’re dead in the water.
It won’t stop there either. They’ve already tried to coerce banks into not funding fossil fuel extraction. Imagine what happens when they finally succeed and we can’t even pull oil or natural gas out of the ground.
Crypto is all well and good until you have to get actual spendable cash or convert >your cash into crypto. Then you’re right back in the current banking system. >Unless you can both find a job that pays in crypto and buy everything in crypto, >including food and shelter, you’re not going to avoid having to deal with the >banking system.
And we need things like this. We're going to be seeing hyperinflation akin to Venezuela because of the constant printing of money.
Unless you can both find a job that pays in crypto and buy everything in
crypto, including food and shelter
As for making Crypto a viable part of our ecosystem, we start at the roots: Start tipping people with crypto. For pedes that own businesses, make it optional to be paid in crypto. For pedes that own farms, they should accept crypto.
We should be actively encouraging its use. There's much development being done in the space. Bitcoin isn't the only crypto either, Ethereum & its tokens are extremely beneficial to the space. As for paying rent, rent processors exist, which is a good start. It's not crypto directly to your landlord, but in terms of practically paying your rent with it, it solves the kitchen-table issue with ease.
Not to mention the fact that most Bitcoin mining is done in China because of the
low cost of power. The CCP could cripple Bitcoin if they so choose.
They could try, but people will notice a 51% attack going on and pools will be blocking attacker-associated IPs. We already have the biggest miners in the world situated in the U.S. so I am not really concerned about the CCPissants attacking the network. I am more concerned with quantum computers (in which, there will be quantum resistant crypto.. its not like you cant upgrade crypto either!)
As for the lawyers, I don’t even know what your argument is.
Yes, companies like Parler should definitely be using lawyers willing and able
to work with them despite the external pressure. But those lawyers are few
and far between. More than that, those lawyers aren’t going to be nearly as
good as the ones they had on retainer until recently.
My argument is that we need simply need more lawyers. Just like we need more Trump-like leaders in this country, and just like we need more politicians that are for the people, and just like we need more pro-free speech platforms, we need more lawyers.
You didn't really think that my solution to this is to send Parler employees to law school, do you? That was the dumbest thing you could've thought man. Use your brain.
It won’t stop there either. They’ve already tried to coerce banks into not
funding fossil fuel extraction. Imagine what happens when they finally
succeed and we can’t even pull oil or natural gas out of the ground.
Sucks.
I'm not going to lie to you, I've been feeling pretty black pilled too. After the obvious irregularities in the election, after nothing happened in December, and after the global & corporate reaction resulting in pixelnaught.. I am not positive that things will really get better soon. But that doesn't mean we need to be feeling doom and gloom. We need to start doing. If that means we need more peaceful protests then so be it. We need to be building. The idea that there are people sitting on their ass, sad and doing nothing is disgraceful when we're being oppressed.
The “Parler should send their people to law school” comment was a critique of the “we should build our own X” crowd. We shouldn’t have to build a parallel society just to express our political views.
As for crypto, that’s a topic that can be discussed at length. The short version is I’m not necessarily worried about a 51% attack. If the CCP shut down every Bitcoin miner in China they’d throw the whole system into chaos. Maybe my numbers are outdated, but it was my understanding China accounted for almost half of all Bitcoin mining due to cheap electricity prices.
Also, yes, there are services that allow you to pay things like rent with crypto. But as we’ve seen with Parler, most vendors are highly susceptible to outside pressure. How long before they’re pressed to stop doing business with Trump supporters or lose their access to banking?
if we keep up the "Build your own X" we could become a self sustaining country immune to monopoly leverage
We really don't have a choice. We need parallel systems for everything, starting with banking and credit at the top to societies embedded in local government and business groups.
We need apolitical banking systems/platforms yesterday. Thats a huge one. What do you do when every big bank and payment processor refuses to work with you? Nowadays most people pay with cards and if you don't have access to processors you are legit hosed.
We don't have a clue how screwed we really are do we?
i know how screwed we are, we are screwed at every level, personal experience and all that.. anyway at this point we need a parallel society or deal in the black market, in communism the opposition is blacklisted from everything as you can see and the way to deal with that is basically to exist outside of the system assuming they are not out to hunt you down in which case you either run or fight.
Bitcoin is an option.
That’s what I’m saying. Cryptography is the answer here. To the server problem, the money problem, and the dirt bag ceo problem. The answers are there we just have to find ways to successfully implement them
Monero is a good choice to use in terms of doing transactions. Think of it like an anonymous e-cash that can be used online. It is a cryptocurrency where everything is encrypted. I've been trying to get people to use it forever because just imagine if you have a 100% anonymouse e-cash system. You could work and pay other people and no one would know about it (not even the government). That does have its perks if you know what I mean. Censorship resistant and maximum privacy. Now it is more important than ever because our rights are at risk. People want to silence us, doxx us, and keep us quiet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monero
At this point they're basically saying "don't like it, secede."
Main problem with this is the ISPs. Once they start filtering and blocking we need new infrastructure. Might have to start ham radio nets at first but can be jammed...
Amateur radio service is explicitly non-commercial. Aggressively so. Monetizing over ham services would be absolutely against current laws, rules.
There are experiments with networking, like setting up ad hoc emergency wifi access and so on.
A large problem is the speed of most anything done over typical radio frequencies is very slow. Microwave stuff can be pretty fast, of course.
We'll create our own ISPs. Simple.
ISPs won't be the problem with end-to-end encryption. ISPs can't break the encryption (neither can the government). It is our fault for not using these technologies. We need to start using them!
It seems to be the road we are on, and I think if we keep on going down this road the US will end up balkanizing. We'll soon have a conservative and liberal economies that are each separate and political positions will be much harder to change since you'd have to give up your entire way of life and probably move if you have a change of heart.
They should name the law firm maybe they have other MAGA clients who would drop them as attorneys
I was just about to say - if Parler was paying them a retainer for representation, then wtf??
Serious bogus shit going on here...
I'd be plastering their name everywhere possible.
I want Parlor to name the lawyers that dropped them. They really need to do this so that any other conservatives, republicans, free speech advocates, christians, pro-lifers, nuns etc will know not to trust them or hire them. I don't want to destroy those lawyers but they have to be named because if they weren't strong enough to defend Parler when the going got tough, even after they were hired to do so, we need to help others avoid them. It's not to hurt the lawyers. It's to protect others who might mistakenly believe those lawyers have fortitude and courage when they do not.
Remember, almost all of Flynn's most serious problems were caused by hiring lawyers that caved to the FBI and then lied to Flynn about the duress they were under.
We can't protect the reputations of lawyers like that. They can't have the benefit of unearned credibility.
I'm sure they were on retainer, and I would sue them for every dime I ever paid them and the costs of the new lawyer
I don't disagree with you but we also have to have them named. It's too important to our movement to let them slink off with their tails between their legs. It's not a question of trying to hurt them. It's a matter of giving fair warning to those who may be interested in hiring them.
you got me wrong I was agreeing with you but still sue them
Oh okay. I'm just so used to pedes getting all "no, you're wrong" on here lately. "Scuse me. It's nice to know we're agreeing. GREAT!
"Parler", NOT "Parlor".
There's a bogus knock-off on the Apple store called "Parlor". Need to be careful with this one.
You're right and I didn't mean to advertise for the bogus one. I suppose I was autocorrected. Yep, I meant Parler.
this is exactly what fucking happened with election fraud cases
Yup. Does anyone really think it was the plan to have Giuliani presenting things in court? Because it definitely fucking wasn’t.
Both firms they retained backed out after their other clients threatened to drop them if they represented Trump. Imagine if that happened with criminal instead of civil attorneys.
ok, what is actually going on here? This is a very common occurrence now. Are these attorneys taking retainers and fees and then when the time comes they duck out? Is that legal?
I have a feeling their other clients threatened to leave if they didn't bounce. Probably their malpractice insurance providers too.
That is so fucking bizarre to me, like...how can you trust a lawyer at all that capitulates to the whim of the mob?
They will defend child rapist murders but won’t rep conservative tech CEOs in civil matters. That’s the current state of this industry. Let’s hope the medical field doesn’t follow suit. Interesting though experiment: if SCOTUS says everyone has a right to have representation in criminal matters, but every competent person refuses to rep you, do you get to go fee?
You’d get a public defender to be the warm body next to you in court. It would be the same as not having any representation at all, but no one would care.
no, i am saying the public defender even refuses.
Hire Barnes. Guy is super smart and not as unhinged as Wood
Curious how Amazon could so easily break what has to be some sort of contract.
Because the contract probably allows Amazon to terminate on either no notice or 24 hours notice.
There really is no contract. You just select a server, input your card number, and you instantly have access to utilize the resources on the rented server. They can decide at any point to stop billing you and take control of the server back
This needs to be a crime. Not dropping a client, but harrassing and threatening attorneys to drop the client should be a crime. Why do these same people not threaten an attorney who represents a child rapist or serial killer? They know Parler is right and and will win and Google's censoring will backfire.
Need a parallel conservative economy.
Forget visa and MasterCard. We need our own credit card. The Trump card. Gun stores that have been deplatformed would probably be on board. Make it the coin of the realm for the parallel conservative digital ecosystem.
I told everyone in those other threads that they are going nuke Parler so bad you will be able to see the hole in the internet from space, but no one seemed to believe me. SMH.
I saw that John guy(Parler CEO) in an interview. He's completely out of his depth. Andrew Torba at Gab is a total Chad. He slaps his giant steel balls on the table regularly. I don't even particularly like him but he's no soy boy.
Are people ACTUALLY complaining about us having to build our own shit? We should be actively ENCOURAGING people to do this!
Do you really believe that we should remain under the Twazis' rule?
Maybe Parler should just send a few of their employees to law school. Problem will solve itself in 3-4 years. Right?
Building your own stuff is fine if it’s actually feasible. But eventually they’re going to get to the point where you’re going to tell them to build their own credit card company and bank. That’s not at all feasible.
We have that already. It's called Cryptocurrency.
More cucked, blue-pilled bullshit. You're speaking as if we aren't already being deplatformed goddamn near everywhere and you probably think that Twitter, Facebook & Google should continue to oppress non-left users.
You also promote the usage of weak and ineffective attorneys (which will only taint the market)
Why are you so obsessed with being ruled?
Crypto is all well and good until you have to get actual spendable cash or convert your cash into crypto. Then you’re right back in the current banking system. Unless you can both find a job that pays in crypto and buy everything in crypto, including food and shelter, you’re not going to avoid having to deal with the banking system.
Not to mention the fact that most Bitcoin mining is done in China because of the low cost of power. The CCP could cripple Bitcoin if they so choose.
As for the lawyers, I don’t even know what your argument is. Yes, companies like Parler should definitely be using lawyers willing and able to work with them despite the external pressure. But those lawyers are few and far between. More than that, those lawyers aren’t going to be nearly as good as the ones they had on retainer until recently.
Hate to say it, but I’m getting more and more black pilled as this shit goes on. The left has essentially cut off the means for any conservative-leaning business to work within the current system. If you can’t avail yourself of any modern tech without building it from the ground up yourself then you’re dead in the water.
It won’t stop there either. They’ve already tried to coerce banks into not funding fossil fuel extraction. Imagine what happens when they finally succeed and we can’t even pull oil or natural gas out of the ground.
And we need things like this. We're going to be seeing hyperinflation akin to Venezuela because of the constant printing of money.
As for making Crypto a viable part of our ecosystem, we start at the roots: Start tipping people with crypto. For pedes that own businesses, make it optional to be paid in crypto. For pedes that own farms, they should accept crypto.
We should be actively encouraging its use. There's much development being done in the space. Bitcoin isn't the only crypto either, Ethereum & its tokens are extremely beneficial to the space. As for paying rent, rent processors exist, which is a good start. It's not crypto directly to your landlord, but in terms of practically paying your rent with it, it solves the kitchen-table issue with ease.
https://cryptocurrencynews.com/daily-news/crypto-news/you-can-now-pay-your-rent-with-cryptocurrency/
https://cointelegraph.com/news/who-said-you-can-t-spend-crypto-redditor-sells-free-moon-tokens-to-pay-rent
They could try, but people will notice a 51% attack going on and pools will be blocking attacker-associated IPs. We already have the biggest miners in the world situated in the U.S. so I am not really concerned about the CCPissants attacking the network. I am more concerned with quantum computers (in which, there will be quantum resistant crypto.. its not like you cant upgrade crypto either!)
My argument is that we need simply need more lawyers. Just like we need more Trump-like leaders in this country, and just like we need more politicians that are for the people, and just like we need more pro-free speech platforms, we need more lawyers.
You didn't really think that my solution to this is to send Parler employees to law school, do you? That was the dumbest thing you could've thought man. Use your brain.
Sucks.
I'm not going to lie to you, I've been feeling pretty black pilled too. After the obvious irregularities in the election, after nothing happened in December, and after the global & corporate reaction resulting in pixelnaught.. I am not positive that things will really get better soon. But that doesn't mean we need to be feeling doom and gloom. We need to start doing. If that means we need more peaceful protests then so be it. We need to be building. The idea that there are people sitting on their ass, sad and doing nothing is disgraceful when we're being oppressed.
I wish you well pede.
The “Parler should send their people to law school” comment was a critique of the “we should build our own X” crowd. We shouldn’t have to build a parallel society just to express our political views.
As for crypto, that’s a topic that can be discussed at length. The short version is I’m not necessarily worried about a 51% attack. If the CCP shut down every Bitcoin miner in China they’d throw the whole system into chaos. Maybe my numbers are outdated, but it was my understanding China accounted for almost half of all Bitcoin mining due to cheap electricity prices.
Also, yes, there are services that allow you to pay things like rent with crypto. But as we’ve seen with Parler, most vendors are highly susceptible to outside pressure. How long before they’re pressed to stop doing business with Trump supporters or lose their access to banking?
Paging Lin Wood.. lol
Lin needs a redemption arc. Let's do this.
Sydney give him a hand
I heard Lin Wood’s not doing anything.
They were doing this as far back as 2018 but a few examples popped up earlier in 2020. You're not allowed legal coverage. This is absolutely insanity.
That doesn’t make sense. Why would the attorneys take them as a client to begin with?
They got threatened and pussed out. Just like some of the firms representing President Trump.
posturing and some freedom lite virtue signaling
Who is Robert Barnes? 🤔