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They'd find a way around it like allocating tax dollars to create a high paying position for their spouse or just having their crackhead son make the millions
That's the catch, oftentimes they themselves will have "clean IRS records", but after they leave office suddenly they're getting paid hundreds of thousands for "speaking gigs," or their family members get some cushy jobs.
That's not quite right. Its more "We wrote this bill, support it and we'll donate to your campaign. Don't support it and we'll donate to your opponent."
Even reps who might not want to take lobbying money are made to do it if they want to remain in office. What we need are not just limits on lobbying, but campaign SPENDING limits.
It may surprise many on this site that a system whereby government officials are elected is precisely what the ancient Athenians used the term “oligarchy” for and was considered by them to be undemocratic because it allowed positions to be bought.
Besides the fact that the rulers are corrupted by back door promises in exchange for campaign financing, the system engenders a select class of elites and their cronies as the only potential rulers who, without term limits, cannot be easily removed. In other words, political systems with elections lead to a “rule by a few”. Most people today think oligarchy refers to “rule by a few”, but there are not many that know it originally referred exactly to any electoral system.
The ancient Athenians, the creators of democracy, had a very different idea of what democracy was than the modern definition. It was NOT voting as a selection method for your government.
I will leave you to your own research if you want to find out more.
In any event, it can be argued that corruption is inherent to the system of electing people to government, whether you call that system democracy, representative democracy or a republic.
Today those systems are regarded as democracy throughout the world, even though it was considered to be undemocratic by the very creators of the original democracy.
Why do we even need "representatives" in the modern day and age? Every single American should be able to vote for every bill. The technical limitations are solved. The "representatives" don't even write, hell even read the bills they sign. So what is their purpose anyway?
Get term limits and suddenly lobbying becomes a worse investment. Right now you suck Mitch’s dick 10 years ago and the gravy train suddenly has fewer brakes than the Trump train.
And he might as well be spitting into the wind, because his appeal to corrupt institutions won't gain any traction, nor will his colleagues likely support it. If they DO support it, it'll go the same way these investigations always go....hearings and discussions and ZERO consequences.
Laura Loomer, Lauren Southern, Milo, Alex Jones........they were all canaries in a coal mine.
If we're going to solve this problem, the only and I do mean, the only time we should ever turn on each other is to unite against any Republican who turns on any other Republican. Our Achilles Heel, the thing that stops us from winning more than anything else, is our willingness to turn on each other. We need to stop doing this right now!
unite against any Republican who turns on any other Republican
You lost me there. Many in the Republican party, heck maybe the GOP in general, are enemies of the people. You can say "No those are just RINOs we have to support real Republicans" but then you're at the No True Scotsman fallacy which gets us back where we started.
We just need people to MAGA. Anyone who has turned on Trump in the last few days is an obvious enemy. But yeah anyone standing up for him is a friend, even if they might have some out-there views or we're afraid they make us look bad.
The thing about RINOs, is they're the ones turning on Republicans. We eliminate the RINOs because they are always the first ones to turn on Republicans. What we need to do is put the fear of pedes and MAGA supporters into them that no Republican rises in our party by being the dumbass that curries favor with the lefties, media and big tech by being the turncoat. Name me a RINO who isn't always turning on other Republicans?
if we split this MAGA movement, our movement is over and we'll never win again. Trump joined the Republican party. He didn't form a third party because he knew third parties don't work.
The best way to destroy the MAGA movement and empower communists, is to divide this movement. We got the ascendancy in the Republican. If we divide us, we'll lose. Furthermore, there's no way a MAGA movement could endorse candidates for every office coast to coast like Republicans do.
I dislike both extremely and I can't stand them and they are bad people who offer nothing productive to society in my opinion.
HOWEVER, you got a good point. Is shutting up vile racists the best way to end racism? I don't think so. In fact, I think our rush to do so is going to create a much bigger problem.
To end racism, after it's outlawed in every major institution in the country, the only thing left, is to change hearts and minds. Banning people and treating them like pariahs doesn't work to accomplish that goal. On the other hand, banning an independent website is very different than say, trying to keep a bunch of idiots who repeat the N-word as if they were mindless parrots, off the majority of sites isn't a bad idea. Oh and before we get into "oh racists aren't that bad" I've been in enough unmoderated forums to know that unrelenting racist who can't shut up about it ruin forums as quickly as Christians who can't shut up about religion for two seconds or Palestinians who got to go batguano insane about Israeli conspiracy theories or nutball environmentalists who keep posting chickens getting slaughtered vids. It's not just that racists are racists, it's that they can also be annoying, obsessive, ridiculously obtuse and lack any ability to play well with others. They may just be a small number of racists that are that intolerable but yet, they really can't shut up for two second either. and yes, blacks have their racists who can't shut up either, I'm well aware of that. There is nothing more annoying than an idiot who thinks he knows genetics because he read crap on a crappy site and then pushes it as if he knows something. It's worse than a climate change activist raging on about polar bears and Himalayan ice caps.
This is terrifying that we have this in our own country. It's why people are so afraid so say anything pro-Trump in public! It's basically intimidation from big tech to ruin your life if you practice your First Amendment right to support the President! How fucked up is that?
I am sorry to hear about what happened to Loomer.
Chase Bank is scum; in my personal experience their representatives lied to me in a dispute and then shut down my own account so I will not have anything to do with that bank by choice ever.
The censorship by finance and Big Tech is very disturbing - they control so much and have tyrannical powers. Imagine if the elite manage to get rid of cash and force us to use electronic money. With one click, they could disenfranchise any opposition and turn them into a nonperson. This would be an ultimate sword over everyone's head. And we are only a few steps away from this.
This is the truth. The only time shit gets done is when it involves raising our taxes or some kind of scheme to reallocate tax funds to one of their friends or relatives.
We cannot coexist with these people period. It wouldn’t matter if we gave them the whole rest of the world and we accepted just living and being left alone in a small area that made up the southern states of the US. They would still come for us and attempt to take our small area. They will never stop and they want us subjugated and/or dead.
Shutting down your banking is insane, especially if it’s because of your political views and not because you were money laundering or breaking the law. So wrong.
Corporations have always had an influence in politics and in our government. Back during the Cold War, it was mostly defense industries and defense lobbyists who would control our government. In the 80s, it was the NRA and the Koch Brothers. During the Bush era, it was oil and energy companies (Halliburton, Exxon, etc.). However, there were always limits.
However, Citizens United v. FEC blew those limits away and now corporations could control everything, and you can blame McConnell. McConnell has made it his long life goal of making sure money is involved in politics and everything can be bought.
Can't deny that she's brave and a fighter. Might not like her personality, but I wish more people stood up like she does. Don't kill the messenger, right?
As of Nov. 03, 2020, I will never again vote for another 'republican.' IN ADDITION, I will never vote again until there is a legitimate, paper-based voting system.
Don't trust Laura loomer. Remember when she and Milo set up an "art exhibit" where milo bathed in a bathtub full of blood? I remember and you better damn well get it in your head. These people are evil.
She's a bit on the crazy side but she's been right about pretty much everything way before everyone else. She found the fraudulent ballots in Florida, she discovered Ilhan Omar illegally married her brother for citizenship (it got her banned from Twitter). It was her that set up a protest on Pelosi's lawn in her garden.
Loomer is Pro America, has her finger on the pulse and is effective, which is why she was one of the first to be banned
What about her message here is wrong? Your response has nothing to do with that. A crazy homeless man could be making the same points she is, and it would not invalidate the arguments.
Honestly, lobbying should be illegal period.
Preach. They shouldn't be able to make a dime outside of their salary while working for the government.
THIS THIS THIS!!!!!
They'd find a way around it like allocating tax dollars to create a high paying position for their spouse or just having their crackhead son make the millions
That's the catch, oftentimes they themselves will have "clean IRS records", but after they leave office suddenly they're getting paid hundreds of thousands for "speaking gigs," or their family members get some cushy jobs.
How's this even controversial?
The problem is really how lobbying works,
Ideally it should be, 'here is a proposal and all the reasons your state would benefit from it'
what it ends up being is "here's ten million for your campaign if you push this bit of legislation"
That's not quite right. Its more "We wrote this bill, support it and we'll donate to your campaign. Don't support it and we'll donate to your opponent."
Even reps who might not want to take lobbying money are made to do it if they want to remain in office. What we need are not just limits on lobbying, but campaign SPENDING limits.
It may surprise many on this site that a system whereby government officials are elected is precisely what the ancient Athenians used the term “oligarchy” for and was considered by them to be undemocratic because it allowed positions to be bought.
Besides the fact that the rulers are corrupted by back door promises in exchange for campaign financing, the system engenders a select class of elites and their cronies as the only potential rulers who, without term limits, cannot be easily removed. In other words, political systems with elections lead to a “rule by a few”. Most people today think oligarchy refers to “rule by a few”, but there are not many that know it originally referred exactly to any electoral system.
The ancient Athenians, the creators of democracy, had a very different idea of what democracy was than the modern definition. It was NOT voting as a selection method for your government.
I will leave you to your own research if you want to find out more.
In any event, it can be argued that corruption is inherent to the system of electing people to government, whether you call that system democracy, representative democracy or a republic.
Today those systems are regarded as democracy throughout the world, even though it was considered to be undemocratic by the very creators of the original democracy.
Why do we even need "representatives" in the modern day and age? Every single American should be able to vote for every bill. The technical limitations are solved. The "representatives" don't even write, hell even read the bills they sign. So what is their purpose anyway?
They actually are the only ones able to write spending bills.
Term limits would have fixed that.
Guess who votes on term limits? Yup.
Get term limits and suddenly lobbying becomes a worse investment. Right now you suck Mitch’s dick 10 years ago and the gravy train suddenly has fewer brakes than the Trump train.
Nobody should be a career politician. You serve a few years then get the fuck out.
Remeber, its the politicians that take the lobby money. We need to replace them all, no exceptions.
Trump has no financial motivation to stay in politics...
Contrast this with someone like Rubio that gets his first big paycheck from getting to the Senate.
They need to do:
Only way this happens is convention of states.
Lobbying = legal bribery
Government is a travesty at this point
If elections are fixed, what is the lobbying money used for?
Trump banned lobbying in 2017, tho. Of course, laws are for commoners only.
This is why the Nunes appeal for DoNJ and FBM investigations is nothing but kabuki theater.
How about in English?
Allow me translate: both parties suck but you already knew that.
Department of Non-Justice and Federal Bureau of Matters.
And he might as well be spitting into the wind, because his appeal to corrupt institutions won't gain any traction, nor will his colleagues likely support it. If they DO support it, it'll go the same way these investigations always go....hearings and discussions and ZERO consequences.
Laura Loomer, Lauren Southern, Milo, Alex Jones........they were all canaries in a coal mine.
If we're going to solve this problem, the only and I do mean, the only time we should ever turn on each other is to unite against any Republican who turns on any other Republican. Our Achilles Heel, the thing that stops us from winning more than anything else, is our willingness to turn on each other. We need to stop doing this right now!
You lost me there. Many in the Republican party, heck maybe the GOP in general, are enemies of the people. You can say "No those are just RINOs we have to support real Republicans" but then you're at the No True Scotsman fallacy which gets us back where we started.
We just need people to MAGA. Anyone who has turned on Trump in the last few days is an obvious enemy. But yeah anyone standing up for him is a friend, even if they might have some out-there views or we're afraid they make us look bad.
The thing about RINOs, is they're the ones turning on Republicans. We eliminate the RINOs because they are always the first ones to turn on Republicans. What we need to do is put the fear of pedes and MAGA supporters into them that no Republican rises in our party by being the dumbass that curries favor with the lefties, media and big tech by being the turncoat. Name me a RINO who isn't always turning on other Republicans?
I will join a Patriotic MAGA party, leave the never Trumpers behind.
if we split this MAGA movement, our movement is over and we'll never win again. Trump joined the Republican party. He didn't form a third party because he knew third parties don't work.
The best way to destroy the MAGA movement and empower communists, is to divide this movement. We got the ascendancy in the Republican. If we divide us, we'll lose. Furthermore, there's no way a MAGA movement could endorse candidates for every office coast to coast like Republicans do.
umm, donations do not go to opponents. I don't know where you get that idea.
The canary in the coal mine was Andrew Anglin and the Daily Stormer.
I dislike both extremely and I can't stand them and they are bad people who offer nothing productive to society in my opinion.
HOWEVER, you got a good point. Is shutting up vile racists the best way to end racism? I don't think so. In fact, I think our rush to do so is going to create a much bigger problem.
To end racism, after it's outlawed in every major institution in the country, the only thing left, is to change hearts and minds. Banning people and treating them like pariahs doesn't work to accomplish that goal. On the other hand, banning an independent website is very different than say, trying to keep a bunch of idiots who repeat the N-word as if they were mindless parrots, off the majority of sites isn't a bad idea. Oh and before we get into "oh racists aren't that bad" I've been in enough unmoderated forums to know that unrelenting racist who can't shut up about it ruin forums as quickly as Christians who can't shut up about religion for two seconds or Palestinians who got to go batguano insane about Israeli conspiracy theories or nutball environmentalists who keep posting chickens getting slaughtered vids. It's not just that racists are racists, it's that they can also be annoying, obsessive, ridiculously obtuse and lack any ability to play well with others. They may just be a small number of racists that are that intolerable but yet, they really can't shut up for two second either. and yes, blacks have their racists who can't shut up either, I'm well aware of that. There is nothing more annoying than an idiot who thinks he knows genetics because he read crap on a crappy site and then pushes it as if he knows something. It's worse than a climate change activist raging on about polar bears and Himalayan ice caps.
What the fuck are you babbling about?
He forgot to take his meds.he claims he is for free speech then claims he wants racism outlawed and forced integration.i think he is a globalist.
Shit ban campaign money altogether.
No campaign merch shops?
This is what it's like to have a bad social credit score. You're an outcast in your own country.
This is terrifying that we have this in our own country. It's why people are so afraid so say anything pro-Trump in public! It's basically intimidation from big tech to ruin your life if you practice your First Amendment right to support the President! How fucked up is that?
I am sorry to hear about what happened to Loomer. Chase Bank is scum; in my personal experience their representatives lied to me in a dispute and then shut down my own account so I will not have anything to do with that bank by choice ever. The censorship by finance and Big Tech is very disturbing - they control so much and have tyrannical powers. Imagine if the elite manage to get rid of cash and force us to use electronic money. With one click, they could disenfranchise any opposition and turn them into a nonperson. This would be an ultimate sword over everyone's head. And we are only a few steps away from this.
It's all an illusion. They're all in it together. That's why it's always so close to 50/50 split; so nothing ever gets done.
Politics is a perpetual money machine.
💯💯💯
This is the truth. The only time shit gets done is when it involves raising our taxes or some kind of scheme to reallocate tax funds to one of their friends or relatives.
I’ve been warning about this shit.
https://thedonald.win/p/11R4NovO3X/it-seems-from-my-reading-of-many/
We cannot coexist with these people period. It wouldn’t matter if we gave them the whole rest of the world and we accepted just living and being left alone in a small area that made up the southern states of the US. They would still come for us and attempt to take our small area. They will never stop and they want us subjugated and/or dead.
Shutting down your banking is insane, especially if it’s because of your political views and not because you were money laundering or breaking the law. So wrong.
Wasn't this a big Scotus decision years ago to let Corps donate ?
Corporations have always had an influence in politics and in our government. Back during the Cold War, it was mostly defense industries and defense lobbyists who would control our government. In the 80s, it was the NRA and the Koch Brothers. During the Bush era, it was oil and energy companies (Halliburton, Exxon, etc.). However, there were always limits.
However, Citizens United v. FEC blew those limits away and now corporations could control everything, and you can blame McConnell. McConnell has made it his long life goal of making sure money is involved in politics and everything can be bought.
Exxon Valdez didn't kill itself...
I can't stand her, BUT she is dead on with this assessment.
Can't deny that she's brave and a fighter. Might not like her personality, but I wish more people stood up like she does. Don't kill the messenger, right?
why can't you stand her?
I can tolerate her much more than I can Candace Owens. CO and the rest of the TP USA bunch are insufferable.
cough Jim Jordan cough
local credit unions
Boycott the big banks. They literally ship drugs on their own planes and get rewarded by our DOJ.
Evil companies. Potter in It's A Wonderful Life.
The bankers run everything.
End the Fed as Ron Paul says.
Cant ban bitcoin.
We ALL Need to fill positions at the White House in order to restore the Rule of Law, The Constitution!!
As of Nov. 03, 2020, I will never again vote for another 'republican.' IN ADDITION, I will never vote again until there is a legitimate, paper-based voting system.
Can’t buy food (UberEats) or get a taxi (Lyft) because of political affiliation. Wow!
THANK YOU LAURA FOR POINTING OUT ITS THE FUCKING REPUBLICANS THAT GOT US HERE
i have chase. when I get a chance I will be changing banks.
No one does anything because they don't think it will happen to them...until it does.
YEP
We will not move toward America First until all backstabbers and traitors are hung out to dry.
Close your chase accounts folks.
For now credit unions are a better choice.
It should be illegal to take money from anyone but citizens you are running to represent, IN the districts/states you are running to represent.
LOL - okay we'll vote them out - oh wait...
Why isn’t she suing all of these companies?!
When she said Chase Bank shut down her online banking, what is that all about??? Do they close your accounts? That makes NO SENSE. WTF??
This is totally Republican's fault, they keep giving these tech companies, banks power with no regulations, accountability.
Don't trust Laura loomer. Remember when she and Milo set up an "art exhibit" where milo bathed in a bathtub full of blood? I remember and you better damn well get it in your head. These people are evil.
She's a bit on the crazy side but she's been right about pretty much everything way before everyone else. She found the fraudulent ballots in Florida, she discovered Ilhan Omar illegally married her brother for citizenship (it got her banned from Twitter). It was her that set up a protest on Pelosi's lawn in her garden.
Loomer is Pro America, has her finger on the pulse and is effective, which is why she was one of the first to be banned
What about her message here is wrong? Your response has nothing to do with that. A crazy homeless man could be making the same points she is, and it would not invalidate the arguments.
You were auctioned off? How much did you sell for? I wasn't aware that it was legal to sell people in the USA.
Too bad she's as Zionist bitch.
You're a fucking idiot.