Cloudflare (a service that TD uses) is trying to hold the fort. Their CEOs won't stand listening to the EXTREME LEFT
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The sooner people realize Twitter is not real life the better.
Good on CF executives doing the right thing and just blocking the putrid filth that is the Twitter army.
A bunch of soy latte low T children with no power at all. The only power they wield is what you give them.
Companies should just leave en masse.
This is the first time in history the lowest status people in society have been given such a large voice
They are mocked and outcast for a reason. Bring back social eugenics
MuH aBlEiSm
B-based!
Yeah I love when a deli clerk tries to coordinate a line and tell me what to do.
You can tell these people have never had an iota of power in their lives and they are fucking morons.
This 50yo barista tried to yell at my wife secretly because she’s a fucking coward I almost put her out
I'm trying to understand the deli clerk part, is this a thing? Whenever i'm at the deli I don't have to wait, it's never busy
I mean like a sandwich shop you have to stand on the x sir sir you can’t lean over the rope. No sir you can’t just go to the register after you pick your sandwich you have to wait for that entire family to order you cannot pass them.
I've never heard another human use the term "sandwich shop". Are you actually in Australia? Or am I the odd one?
In large parts of the US, the word "deli" is rarely if ever used.
"Deli" seems to be a northeast thing.
😬 Ey woah- hold on now pal I'm walkin hee-ah
Yeah, I'd have to see some proof of what you're saying... I've been in the majority of the states, and have seen deli everywhere.
Who the fuck cares handshake
I was talking to one of these mask idiots, and they told me it felt good to have power over someone else
Tribune of the Plebs? Hollywood?
CloudFlare caved and fucked over 8chan. They will do the same to .win one day soon. Mark it.
Yup, and all it took was a shooting in a separate country across the world that had nothing to do with 8, all because he decided to post there that he was going to set up a Facebook livestream. So he used FB, no such action taken, he posts on 8, immediate takedown by big tech. The removal was for ideological reasons only, which is why they’ll do it again here
Which is why .xyz, .one, and .space is backed up in reserve
'CloudFlare caved and fucked over 8chan.'
Only because content on 8chan broke US law and 8chan refused to resolve it.
Cloudflare won't remove you if you don't break US law.
Not true.
Nope. Research moar.
no
Except he already did. 8chan.
Yes, and that is the context for the above quote - that he won't do it again.
Forgive me if I don't believe him.
I believe him.
I also believe there is a chance that he could be compelled by some bullshit "law" to fuck us.
Maybe they learned their lesson.
Thats a great idea!
That's an AWFUL idea!
This is a business, they are BUSY. Busier than ever, and you want to increase their CS load?
Even more so because they are Democrats. Prince was a Hillary donator
That's peak irony as he often complains about the political management of California.
I hate to say it but this is partially Trumps fault. The second they started censoring him he should have left that platform.
Yep. He is in his 70s though. Most in their 70s can’t work a remote. I’ll give him credit for even being on Twitter but he probably should have just left 2 years ago.
For the mods, an alternative is https://vanwa.tech/website-cdn if Cloudflare has to succumb. u/doggos
It is only a matter of time until Cloudflare and Co. buckle to the far-left (as they will eventually get violent), so TD and Gab should prepare and start building their own DDoS protection.
You need many hosts scattered around using Anycast. It gets tricky but it's doable.
Anycast is not at all tricky, it can just get expensive as you really want your own AS number and would need your own address block. Used to be that anything less than a /19 was rejected by the backbone carriers and I highly doubt /19s are easy to get these days, especially for non-service providers.
I highly doubt T_D is taking any real advantage of anycast, scripts and other static things like images on their own CND URLS sure, but the main site is server created.
DDOS protection doesn't use Anycast anyway, it's a TCP reverse proxy, Cloudflare's meaty servers on huge pipes validate incoming connection attempts, they throw away the invalid sessions and pass the valid ones on to T_D servers.
For the larger DDoS attacks you'd struggle without Anycast as your ISP links could flood if you can't segregate the traffic out. For basic ones it's pretty easy dependent on the level.
Expensive and tricky is much the same unless the donations flood in. Granted it's much easier to work with a site like TD than Gab given how much dynamic content is on Gab.
Anycast is just advertising the same route out of multiple locations, it's an old trick for faster DNS response and for CDNs with static content and was in use long before it got the name Anycast.
For a dynamic service like T_D that operates on a single database, anycast can just not work. You would need to lock and synchronize the databases for every write from every location. It's impossible to maintain state without a huge impractical overhead that would make things unusable.
This why even places like Reddit handle their platform with load balancers on the front end and a huge database cluster.
I used to work for Cisco, I have done a huge amount of networking and worked on ios for them, I know what I am talking about my pede.
I get the feeling you actually don't know how Anycast works, it's just advertising the same route from different locations, nothing more. I'll explain.
Say I have a site in San Fran and I have a server 8.8.8.8, I advertise to my BGP peers 8.8.8.0/24. So there exists a single route to that server in the global routing table. Now people in Australia are using my server but complain it is too slow, so I add a new server with the same content and same IP address in Australia and I also advertise 8.8.8.0/24 from my Australian site to my BGP peers there.
So what happens? The global routing table ends up with two destinations to 8.8.8.8, what's the next hop? The route with the lowest cost. So Routers closer to Australia will pick the path to the Australian 8.8.8.8 server and those closest to San Fran will pick the path to the San Fran server. If one of those sites has a power outage, then I also get fail over automatically to the next closest server. I can keep adding locations and 8.8.8.8 servers all over the world if I like.
That's it, that's Anycast. It should now be clear why that can only work with sites or data that is static or gets updated very infrequently. It should be obvious that something like a dynamically built forum with hundreds of writes per minutes isn't suitable for Anycast. It is very common for reverse proxies to be on anycast addresses, this is what has people confused, as a reverse proxy just sends traffic to the real server.
For the database for sure. I'm talking static content though. A DDoS often it won't even get to the database layer, it will just be flooding SYN packets. My point was moreso the fact that it would be hard for TD to build their own Cloudflare especially when they already have all the other complexities they deal with.
Could always run multiple load balancers and use DNS load balancing which confounds DDoS attacks pretty well. Anycast can get weird as the global topology shifts around. e.g. a client in a threshold area may start a connection to one location and might have to finish in another. An edge case to be sure, but not impossible. Anycast would require genuine statelessness to work effectively which is doable with with some good planning around session AAA.
That's a good idea, I can tell you one thing about T_D, our mods know what they are doing, they are excellent. This site is so well run, it makes me smile as so many corporations don't come close to running things as well as our mods.
I'm a developer, got burned out from tech industry years ago but I am using my skills to help us and to start fighting back, it's a lot of fun but I have to be so careful.
I used to work for a pretty big social media company. They all use anycast, not reverse proxies, with a multi-region setups. You don't need to have strong consistency on the data side of things, so you're incorrect. The typical setup is a pop ring equipped with a common anycast IP, with private interconnects to other locations. Updates are made to a local (or preferred) colo, then synced to the others. Because people tend to not move around to much you can rely on location to choose a preferred colo, and because this is not a live application, you don't need strong consistency between the colos. Each user seeing a slightly different thing doesn't matter since content is intrinsically ordered.
Wasn't IPv6 going to make address blocks easily available? Has anything happened with that in the last 10 years? (In case you happen to know).
You are right, IPv6 was meant to solve the address depletion issue but it is extremely hard to get people to move to it. IPv4 is just what everyone knows and understands so they are trying to cling to it as long as they can. The main reason is addressing.
An IPv4 address looks like this 192.168.45.10, I guess you know that. An IPv6 address looks like this: 2607:f0d0:1002:0051:0000:0000:0000:0004
I can be shorted so the zeros are removed but it still looks like this:
2607:f0d0:1002:51::4
Then there is the problem of interconnecting Ipv4 to IPv6 networks, IPv6 is not backward compatible with IPv4 so you need to translate between the two and run both stacks on every router.
So people have spent effort in to delaying it, for example many mobile carriers run NAT between the mobile network and the Internet. If they didn't we would have been out of IPv4 addresses years ago because of smart phones.
So has anything happened in the last 10 years? Kind of, service providers are almost all running IPv6 in their core networks and many will give out IPv6 addresses on request but you generally need to ask for it. In the corporate world, mostly the same as things were 10 years ago, it's seen as an unnecessary change and I doubt many will even bother.
Yep, laziness + NAT did this one to death.
Very enlightening. Thanks.
Yeah, IPv6 is basically free. The trouble is adoption is still not that great. I think all major wireless carriers use it now for mobile devices, so that should be good enough for most of us.
Outside of the US they don't tend to. Mostly IPv4 with NAT.
That's when we were running out of address space. I think they've eased up now.
The problem was the size of the global routing table, it got to the stage where the mid tier carrier class routers were getting close to running out of memory even when upgraded to max memory. So carriers refused to accept anything that wasn't summarized to at least a /19.
Likely changed now, those routers should be long retired by now.
Bizarre that we have a faction in this country that can just...get violent when it suits them, and no one can do anything about it.
They're being allowed to be violent for a purpose. Not only allowed, but financed by the left which moves them around as desired to achieve their terroristic needs.
aka brownshirts
If they haven't entertained the idea yet (and blocking them is a very clear "no, fuck you" sign), I see it not happening at least on ideological grounds. And unless we give them legal reasons to stop the service, I think we will be fine for the time being.
Communists are already harrassing Cloudflare on twitter.
It will happen sooner than later.
yes, but blocking the Sleeping Giant is kind of indicative.
Yep. They’ll cave eventually.
Thing is, it isn’t cloud fare’s duty to police content of sites. They’re not endorsing it. They’re just providing a service. As long as Gab or TDW or whoever pays, it’s none of their business.
This is just more leftist activism to prevent us from being able to talk to each other.
and then he fucked 8chan.
This quote was about 8 chan and some stormer site.
Hosting in Cuck-central WA seems like a bad idea....
Cloudflare is not a hosting company.
I know thats my point.
Ya lost me, fren. What is your point?
Counting on tech leads in squishy states will not end well.
Vanwatech has servers in Russia and will deplatform sites that offend the Russian government.
its not. They are gas lighting you
They're gas lighting their base. They know we know better.
Our base has its weak knees and its fair share of squirrel hearts too. Not just a matter of knowing better, but not getting bullied into capitulation as well.
It’s projecting
And projecting is extremely common among them.
I always enjoy bringing up that arstechnica guy who was called mr.pizza and heavily advocating for feminism/lgbt shit and denouncing stuff like pizzagate.
He got busted for being a degenerate fucking pedophile.
There was someone on twitter called mombot who was keeping a list on these projecting subhumans but obviously that account got banned, quite a while ago.
It's still archived though and you'll find it with some digging, it's a juicy list.
The reality is they are pushing the propaganda machine to fire up the rabid mob and go after the segment of the population they have demonized. A 20k page Domestic Terrorism bill was drafted within a couple of days following 1/6. It is a complete power seize of this country, and happening faster than I had thought.
I know that all the Marxist movement signs are clearly there and history repeats itself.
This is a dark post, but I know for my own sanity, I need to know and prepare for what is happening. Just know that we are the majority, and I certainly will not give up hope or the fight how ever that may shape up to be.
It wasn't drafted within a couple of days. Bill writing is all out-sourced to outfits like Brookings and lawfart, funded by CCP This has been sitting on the shelf, ready to go. The clowns in Congress and their staff don't have the intellectual horsepower to draft legislation. .
They don’t even read it.
Looks at stacks of papers
"so this means I get what"
This, they prepared this shit well in advanced and were waiting for the opportune moment to use it.
True, and a very good important point.
Is that the one that would classify Trump2 maga rallies as “domestic terror activity”?
Yep exactly the one. Clearly targeting the segment of the population that needs to be "cleansed".
Alex said this Sunday that it's going to get 10 times worse in the next 6 months. I'm sort of shocked how hard it is to get our side to work together in HUGE FUCKING NUMBERS. Thinktank it out before we're in 1984 permanently!
It's because of this...
Most lefties are dependents... rarely is someone depending on them. They have NO responsibilities.
Most conservatives are guardians of someone. Usually a loved one, parent, sig. other, family member, or they took in a friend in need. Guardians take their jobs seriously.
So, it's much easier for a leftie to drop everything and go do whatever, than it is for someone with a family that depends on them for protection and usually a job to drop everything.
Take heart...which side has bought up all the 2A stuff...year after year?
I wonder why Parler wasn't able to use them.
Parler could use them but didn't at the start. They used Amazon's DNS. That would have given them some more time but staff probably knew they used Amazon anyway.
Many amazon services are extremely pricey. I'm surprised they would go with a pure AWS stack.
Totally true, Gab was bootstrapped though. Parler wasn't. Cloudflare saves you a fortune in DNS lookups, DDoS mitigation and static content bandwidth.
Cloudflare is a layer, really just a large scale reverse proxy. DNS lookups, that's metered with AWS potentially but not with dedicated, etc.
AWS for internal architecture can be absolutely appalling. Some of the metering can make it anywhere from 10X to 1000X more expensive.
For certain services they can be more cost effective based on pooling like shared hosting always has been. People make the wrong assumption though that cloud is always more cost effective.
On top of that they have sinks/drains. The same as the restaurants charging twice as much to ten times more for drinks. The same as the pub charging twice as much to ten times more than the super market for drinks.
There are people out their throwing away millions to AWS just because of a bad choice of hosting or sinking millions into cloud because they wrote come algorithm horrendously inefficiently but instead of fixing it scaling it over loads of machines.
AWS can make sense if you have extremely bursty requirements but definitely yeah on expensive. I worked for a company that made a big push from VMWare on their own iron to AWS and I hear it's all been moved back since I left.
There is some very aggressive shilling in the tech scene for businesses to give up their self sufficiency and be at the mercy of Google Cloud, AWS, or Azure. I can only imagine two motives for this: profit, and the ability to absolutely destroy the company if they ever enter the crosshairs of the communist mob.
Mostly profit I think. There has been a move from some companies to move to rental models (Microsoft has also strongly been moving that way but also companies like Adobe). If they sell you something, they have to work to sell you something again next month. If you're renting that something, they get your money no matter what.
"You will own nothing and be happy".
Totally true. I'd imagine Parler wouldn't use a service like elastic beanstalk though. It's going to be a hard slog ahead to transfer it to a new provider but it's doable as Gab.com has shown. Much easier if you can go down to do it rather than doing it live.
Lol, hard to imagine any serious production setup using elastic beanstalk. It's nice for a single dev setup though.
You'd be surprised. Some companies pay way more on compute than they have to.
Yeah, I do NOT get people suggesting AWS as CHEAP.
It's CHEAP if you have the Free Tier and don't use it... well, not really even then. I pay a few bucks a month per server, and that's JUST TO HOLD MY DATA, no traffic to speak of. While I can get a dedicated server, for a couple bucks more a month, with unlimited traffic.
Ahh. So Parler was backed by someone elses dollars to start?
To me, that explains why they seemed to come out of no where and get so talked up
Betting money people that wrote it were an AWS shop (probably Java).
They should have done multi/cloud with hybrid knowing that they were targets from the start (especially if you know your competitor in Gab).
It was a lack of foresight. They'll find someone else. OVH in Europe is probably fine. Otherwise there are bulletproof hosting providers but they cost a bit more.
Parler had huge investment when they started but they for sure got some bad advice. Amazon is woke as fuck, maybe to deflect from their terrible labor conditions and other sleazy tactics.
AWS is for sure expensive but I guess they had the money and it was scalable, however, AWS kicking them off was very likely to happen and it did.
If you use the web based version it's obvious to me their techs aren't all that great. It's glitchy as fuck.
I only got as far as the phone number request, having that requirement was a very bad business choice.
I just get a not so great feeling about Parler, it was started with huge seed money and it reminds me of the dotcom days (I'm old) where tech companies would throw around investor money and make many wrong steps.
They saw what happened to Gab, yet not only did they not want their own infrastructure, they went with a woke company like Amazon that is also super expensive.
https://gizmodo.com/every-deleted-parler-post-many-with-users-location-dat-1846032466
Convenience, that's the word you're looking for. It's convenient to have everything in the same place, but also very dangerous.
AWS is pricey in bandwidth mostly, other services tend to be cheaper, especially if locked for 1 or 3 years.
Best thing to do as a site owner is to build your own stuff on your own servers, that way any VPS or dedicated server will do, and it's easy to migrate between providers.
In theory it might seem like that but I have to tell you on a lot of fronts AWS is absolute hell. Theory verses practice. It's very hit and miss if you'll truly gain that benefit.
Yep, that's how they get you, same with GCP or Azure.
There are better clouds with more transparent pricing and no traps like: Vultr and Linode. Or Upcloud and 99Stack in Europe.
Stay away from Linode - they are promoting BLM, they will take down you project on a whim.
I wouldn't put much faith in any American host these days to be honest. Europe seems to be doing fine however, based hosts grow like mushrooms allover the place and even the lefties are worried about the big tech censorship. Probably because they realize it could happen to them as well, but that's a start at least.
I had completely forgotten about Linode and BLM, and Digitalocean is like playing Russian roulette because you could get banned for almost anything at any time there. Vultr at least gives you time to "correct" issues, but I doubt they support free speech either.
Teraform and Ansible ftw on all things.... the ultimate "I am outa here" in infrastructure.
i could type a short answer and say HONEYPOT. Geotus is on GAB not PARLER
Apples and oranges. Amazon AWS dumped Parler. That is a web host. CloudFlare is not a hosting service, it is a ddos protection service. Difference between buying a house and a security system.
And cdn and dns.
Cloudflare is a CDN, not a host. The same outcome would have happen to Parler even if they had Cloudflare. Cloudflare is to help with DDOS attacks and being overloaded.
This is how all companies should respond to cancel culture & censorship.
I can't think of a single business that has done well by bowing to the mob, however, I can think of a lot that have suffered badly for it.
The right way for a business to deal with these cancel culture fascists is the same way people deal with any other cult, if the Jehovah's Witnesses come to your door, you say no thanks and close it. Easy.
This is just common sense, maybe I should become a business consultant and charge big money tell businesses that.
Common sense sadly isn't a skill most people have these days haha.
They haven't with 4Chan or Gab yet. 8Chan literally had a terrorist inciting on it and FBI investigations.
The original live stream was on Facebook. It did link to it, not sure if it got reported or the actual dynamics. Not sure how you stop cases like that.
so they took down facebok too?
Fake News. The terrorist livestreamed his murder spree on Facebook Live. Nobody shut that down.
Muh tErR0riSm was just the excuse. Fullchan was taken down to silence Q.
As a self-described "free speech absolutist", Cloudflare's CEO Matthew Prince, in a blog post, vowed never to succumb to external pressure again and sought to create a "political umbrella" for the future.
Wow, someone ignoring these fools, good. They aren't customers and don't care at all about cloudflare, whereas TD is giving them good business.
How Mafia extortion rackets work in the 21st century
cloudflare caved in the past, i am glad that this time they don't listen to the communists
Sleeping giants has a store through godaddy. Maybe it's time we give them a taste of their own medicine. "Dear godaddy, why do you give a voice to extremists who attack advertisers of their political rivals to shut down their free speech, like slpnggiants.store?"
Edit: ironically, their name servers are with big commerce.com. Commies love big commerce. It'd be a shame if their other customers got slammed with emails.
Agreed they have too much power but at least they acknowledge they have a lot of power and need to be careful with decision making.
Good on them.
But build more competitors, please.
If they can't do the thing they are meant to do, then they are worthless. Why ask them to commit suicide?
These cancel culture fascists are like a human DDOS.
They bombard these companies with lies hoping to deny service to paying customers.
I bet Cloudflare has a company policy to just block anyone engaging in this cancel crap now, best solution and they is exactly how they handle Internet DDOSs also.
I am going to buy some more cloudflare stock
I'm up a small fortune on it. I went big on them when the stock was $17.50/sh.
Proud of them.
It does make sense tho, Cloudflare is a big company. But the big leftist sites doesn't use it as they have their own CDN's. TD.win, Gab and similar are among their biggest customers, I don't know what this site or Gab pays for Cloudflare but I'm sure it's not the free plan, which most leftist blogs are using.
We should figure out how we can donate / support them.
I bought a few more shares (NYSE listing is "NET"). Seems like a good sign for company integrity and here's hoping it holds, plus if they ever fuck us over nice psychological win for me to be able to dump the stock.
I love the logic pede, I'll do the same!
As a corollary, red pilling influencing stock prices is a great point. We'll see in a few hours how bad the censorship really is in terms of dollars.
tweet/email them
cloudflare has cucked before and will probably cuck again if the left get to the right level of rage.
These men deserve a fucking medal when all this is over.
Wait.....are CloudFlare the good guys now????
They are...for now.
hey pedes, this is the time in which you reward these people for taking a stand on something we like. Now we send them fruit baskets and nice notes.
INB4 cloudfare account is closed by a (bank)
The correct and easy response to lies, manipulation and try to drag a business in to politics.
I have no idea where they stand politically, even if they hate us and buy into those lies that we are racist, bowing to the far-left has proven time and again to be a very poor business choice.
This cancel culture of the left only has the power you allow it, there is also hardly any benefit with going along with it, yet there is a great deal to lose. Every time I have seen people stand up to the bullies, they just move on to their next target but if a company shows weakness then things get worse.
You would think more businesses would have spotted that pattern.
Regardless of CF executive opinions/actions we still need to be prepared for the worst.... as they say hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
"sleeping giants" 😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂😅😆
Truly, the legends in their own minds.
Laugh all you want. These sjws hold a lot of power. They get companies to cave nonstop.
They hold power, they don't hold a lot of power. That power isn't real either, it's hugely over-inflated. If you stopped thinking in instant gratification terms, you'd see how petty and minute their power really is. It only exists because people aren't standing up to themselves, which is temporary. And the backlash is already underway.
God bless these men! They’re my heroes! Fuck those commies !
That isn't "extreme left".
It's literal anticompetitive mafia.
Lol.
Evil evil hypocrites. God will destroy them off the earth. Rebuke them for what they are!
Don't grand strand to much. They're both leftists and didn't stand with 8chan.
Getting our own DDOS protection should be the FIRST priority of the mods and developers here. Cloudfare buckled for 8chan, and while so far they are doing the right thing, they may very well buckle again.
There is also imperva incapsula
They are a bit more expensive. Vanwa is used by 8Kun.
Vanwa was built because of 8kun. They had to build Vanwa so 8chan could be reborn after cucked CloudFlare dumped them and shut them down.
Interesting, any ideas if they have non-political clients?
Most of the Internet is their client.
YES
More like Sleeping Giant Pussies
The left does NOT have the moral high ground. Never let them think they do.
Thank you cloudflare. The boat cycles are fine too.
"They're amoral cowards for not giving in to our Communist tactics! Do they have any idea who we are?! We're randoms on the Internet! They can't treat us like this!!!"
Oh the irony of a leftist calling someone amoral.
What the commie MEANS to say is "immoral" but in their faux paux are both slightly more correct and proving their ignorance
We'll see.
Pray for these men to stand and fight.
Cloudflare. Hold the line.
For Communism to work, they have to control ALL media. There will be no Iron Curtain in the US. "Dear Leader" Biden will be exposed as a globalist every day
Lol, at the outrage mob calling anyone a coward.
These idiots are going to be terrified if they encounter real extremism. I'm not sorry memes hurt their feelings
Wow... gee.
It's horrible when you get excluded like that! Nazis.
'Reeee why are they not afraid of us". Pathetic leftist trash
Imagine Twitter bans them from blocking leftists accounts to force them to be harassed by them
East dakota?
Why doesn't parler use them?
They decided to use AWS for everything. It was a dumb move but they learnt now. The trick is to split things up and use Cloudflare to hide info